Titan Tim Tackling his Twenties

@boilerman

I finally have some time to write down what I wanted to ask you. Personally, I do not understand the “why”, “difference” and “when” between all of these: air handling unit, boiler, chiller, furnace, air conditioner(?)

To me it all seems like these all do the same thing.

A boiler can provide hot air and hot water and a chiller can provide cold air and cold water, is that correct? So if you have both of those in a building do you need any other equipment for air conditioning?

I don’t know understand the difference between an air handling unit and a furnace. I know a furnace can provide hot air, but can’t it provide cold air too. Does a furnace need an outdoor air handling unit to provide cold air or can it provide cold air with some refrigerant coil thingy inside.

I would love to know examples of the type of buildings you worked on, the type of equipment used, and why that equipment was provided

Also how does a split system work? Are there any other systems and when would they be used opposed to the others

Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 5 Day 1

Max Effort Lower


Warmup

Lying Outer Thing and Hip Movement - 4 x 25 Bodyweight

Dumbbell Goblet Squat - 35 lbs - 4 x 25

45 Degree Back Extension - 25 lbs - 4 x 25

Calf Machine - Hole 3 - 4 x 25


Plate Spread Eagle Sit Up - 55 lb Plate - 5 x AMRAP

Seated Horizontal Leg Machine - 320 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Jackknife Sit-Up - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

Close Grip Chin Up - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

Single Leg Hip Thrust - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

High-Bar Squat - 225 lbs x 5, 245 lbs x 5, 265 lbs x 5, 285 lbs x 5, 305 lbs x 5, 325 lbs x 5, 345 lbs x 5, 355 lbs x 3, 335 lbs x 3, 315 lbs x 3

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  • Was offered by electrical subcontractor for the summer

  • Was offered by large general contractor, and their offer is the best so far. Not only is it more money, but I’ll start in estimating for a year and then be transferred to a jobsite to be a project engineer or field engineer.

  • Interviewed with other large general contractor today and it was fun. The drive from D.C back to MD during rush hour was not fun……4 hours……

For humility purposes I attached an image to this post because my log has been feeling more like a career log lately :joy:

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congrats

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Starting in estimating will give you so much of a leg up as a PM later. Estimators are by far the best PMs in the company I work for.

I am personally enjoying that! It’s fun to see all the offers you have rolling in.
Mine has turned the same way, pretty much just a journal with an occasional lift.

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Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 5 Day 2

Max Effort Upper


Warmup

E-Z Bar Tricep Curl - 40 lbs - 4 x 25

Rear Deltoid Machine - Hole 2 - 4 x 25

Decline Dumbbell Pullover - 30 lbs - 4 x 25

Wide Grip Barbell Shrug - 135 lbs - 4 x 25


One Arm Dumbbell Row - 80 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Incline Dumbbell Press - 65 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Standing Three Way Deltoid Raise - 15 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Kneeling Reverse Wide Grip Barbell Curl - 50 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Larsen Press - 95 lbs x 5, 115 lbs x 5, 135 lbs x 5, 155 lbs x 5, 175 lbs x 5, 185 lbs x 5, 195 lbs x 5, 205 lbs x 5, 210 lbs x 5, 215 lbs x 3

Plate Pinch - 25 lbs - 5 x Hold

Burpee Chin-Ups + Thrusters - 20 minuted w/ breaks

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Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 5 Day 3

Repetition Effort Upper


Warmup

E-Z Bar Tricep Curl - 40 lbs - 4 x 25

Rear Deltoid Machine - Hole 2 - 4 x 25

Decline Dumbbell Pullover - 30 lbs - 4 x 25

Wide Grip Barbell Shrug - 135 lbs - 4 x 25


Seated Barbell Palms Down Wrist Curl 30 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Seated Barbell Palms Up Wrist Curl - 60 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Pulley Upright Row - 135 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Dumbbell Hammer Curls - 35 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Close Grip Incline Barbell Bench Press - 115 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Pinch Plate Hold - 25 lbs - 5 x Hold

Bear Complexes - 95 lbs - 20 minutes w/ breaks

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I appreciated the heartfelt words Unicorn. I love how you, @boilerman, @jshaving , and @blshaw have experienced or are still working in construction. It’s cool to have common ground in a very fascinating industry.

Btw I’ve heard the same thing about estimators too. I’ve also heard that people who went the superintendent track were the best project managers as well.

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Boilers for comfort heating can provide either hot water or steam through piping. Chillers for comfort cooling can provide chilled water (technically a water and glycol mixture to prevent freezing) through piping.

Using the steam/hot water/chilled water for space heating and cooling can be done in a few ways. This will be a very simplified.

Heat
Direct radiation/convection through the use of terminal units. Think of this as how a typical home would heat if a boiler is used. Radiators out in the space, or baseboard style fin and tube. There can also be buried piping for in-floor radiant heating as well (hot water only)

Heat and cool
Through the use of water to air heat exchangers (coils) you pass air over heated/chilled water coils to pick up/dump heat into/from a space. Typically used to temper large areas. More often than not a mixture of return (space) and outdoor air is used. These units are called Air Handlers.

If outdoor air is within a specific range during the summer/cooling, you can also “economize”. This is using outdoor air to cool/dehumidify a space. This is dependant upon the difference in enthalpy between indoor and outdoor air. Typically the.morning or at night is the only time a unit will economize due to lower humidity and temperature levels.

All furnaces are air handlers, but not all air handlers are furnaces.

Furnaces combust gas (natural gas, LP, oil) and pass air over a heat exchangers to deliver heated air. Not all air handlers have a section for combustion, but all furnaces do.

A normal split cooling system has two coils, an evaporator and a condenser. The evaporator is the coil in the indoor air flow and the condenser is placed outside. Here is a typical refrigeration circuit
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There are also heat pumps and VRF which is likely what you will be running into more and more often these days. Internals on a heat pump look like this
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A split system is what I just described- an indoor air handler with an evaporator, line set (refrigeration circuit) piping in between, and a condenser outside. For heating, the air handler could be a furnace, or it could use a hot water coil, steam coil, heat pump, electric resistance heaters etc etc.

I will list a few different ones so you can see the scope of how different things can be…

1). 9 story apt bldg downtown. Geothermal central heat pump loop water pump plant in basement (Variable frequency drive- basically modulating speed pumps based on differential pressure between supply and return). Pump loop is fed up through building to each apt with zone valves (which requires vfd driven pumps. As zone valves close, pressure differential increases- pumps slow down) tied into a heat pump. Depending on mode (heat/cool) heat pumps either pick up or reject heat to heat pump water loop (more.often than not, heat pumps are in the same mode depending on season).

As a “for instance”, let’s say it’s august and all heat pumps are in cooling. The water loop is running at 60 degrees without load. As heat pumps reject heat into the loop it warms up, and our design temp is 66 degrees. A mixing valve begins to open as temps reach 66 degrees in the loop and we start feeding water down into the geothermal loop where heat will be rejected. A geothermal loop is a system that sends piping down into groundwater for heat rejection/absorption. Groundwater will stay at the same temperature year-round. In summer, the heat pump water loop is rejecting heat from the space(s) into the ground. In winter, heat is absorbed into the water loop to be used by the heat pumps in the space.

2). School with existing steam system and vacuum return. Central boiler system piped and zoned to each individual classroom with pneumatic thermostats and pneumatic valves. As a room needs heat, it takes from the pressurized steam main through a valve allowing steam into a unit ventilator. As the room meets temp, the valve shuts. Condensate return is tied into a vacuum pump allowing for faster condensate return and potentially lower steam temperatures depending on load.

Cooling is done by individual cassettes built into unit ventilators.

Gym heat/cool load is taken care of by a roof top unit. This unit is ducted in through the roof and has a gas fired heating section and cooling section.

Auditorium is conditioned by a split system, heating taken care of by a steam coil.

STEM wing is individually zoned with VRF system which takes care of the cooling load and majority of the heating. Bathrooms, break rooms and high demand areas supplemented with hot water from heat exchanger piped into steam system. Make up air unit takes care of 50 foot ceilings in main foyer and replaces air that is exhausted in chemistry rooms.

3). Multipurpose bldg (retail). Each space is controlled individually by gas fired furnaces and split systems or roof top units. Central high efficiency hot water boiler for common areas and public restrooms fed into hot water coils/air handlers.


Sorry this is such a mishmash of info dude. I tried to be descriptive but brief. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do to try to explain some of this. If you’d like I can recommend a few books to get a bit more info on this stuff, steam and hot water specifically.

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Thanks for that post. I know nothing about your field and most of that went over my head, haha, but it was pretty interesting.

Question: if someone was to build their house from scratch, what would be the “greenest”/most eco-friendly system to heat and cool their home? And whatever that answer is, do you think it’s a practical choice? How does the installation cost compare to other options, or the lifespan of the system compared to other options?

It’s still years away, but I have hopes to build my own house someday. I don’t know what I’ll end up doing, but like to read about “green” options. In my own experience, this would come into play when choosing materials and designing the layout/structure, but like I said, I know nothing about your area.

Haha thanks man. A lot of the stuff described in that post won’t mean anything to anybody.

Depending on where you are located, solar panels on the roof with sufficient battery storage for the winter,. This is 100% dependant on whether or not you can get enough sunlight to keep up with demand from your house. Heat pumps with backup resistance heaters (heat pumps are 100% electric) as they both heat and cool, and are extremely efficient (fully modulating/variable). The only way to be more green is to dig a geothermal loop or use high mass storage for heating in the winter.

High mass storage is ludicrous and I’ve only ever read about it, never actually seen it. You store energy/heat in summer or from radiant heat in the winter in a pit filled with high mass material like sand. Then, as needed throughout the winter, you pick up the heat from the pit by passing air over it and circulate it throughout your house. It’s insane, but I guess it exists.

I do not think it is a practical choice for the majority of people. Until the initial cost of equipment and installation comes down, you’ll be spending significantly more money than you’ll see in return. Also, there are typically many more moving parts to these systems leading to equipment failures and malfunctions, especially if installed improperly.

An example of cost would be-
92% high efficiency natural gas fired furnaces. For every therm of gas you input into the unit, you are able to use 92% of it (in perfect conditions) to heat the air in your home. This unit costs $2200.

97% high efficiency fully modulating natural gas fired furnace. Same deal, just with a 5% increase in efficiency. This unit costs $4200.

For that 5% increase in efficiency, you are paying almost double. It will take years and years to justify that 5% increase of efficiency, and if your ductwork isn’t sized properly, or is leaky, poor insulation in the home etc, you’ll never see that return.

I typically advise people to stay around the 92% range for gas fired equipment unless money is no object. It puts you in a good position to save money, while still being affordable.

Most of these efficiency numbers are dependant on a lot of things, such as ductwork and how well it is sized and sealed, sizing of the equipment for the space/insulation in the home, and even the start-up process the installing contractor uses and did they rtfm (Read the fucking manual)? A lot of guys just chuck equipment in and turn the power on, where if we’re talking fractions of a percent of efficiency, you need to be sure it is running optimally.

I hope this sort of explains my thoughts process. I don’t do much residential work anymore other than for friends and family, so I’m a bit out of touch with equipment options.

Edit: no idea why the formatting is that way. I kinda like it, so it stays.

Also- one additional note on heat pumps. As the temperature outside begins to drop, the capacity of a heat pump diminishes… so as the load on your home increases, heat pump capacity decreases to 0 at a certain temperature that is mfg dependant. I’ve seen units that have SOME capacity down to -22f. . The units have to be oversized to keep up with demand in design conditions, or need a backup heat source.

Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 5 Day 4

Repetition Effort Lower


Warmup

Lying Outer Thing and Hip Movement - 4 x 25 Bodyweight

Goblet Squat - 35 lbs - 4 x 25

45 Degree Back Extension- 95 lbs - 4 x 25

Calf Machine - Hole 3 - 4 x 25


Heel High Sit-Up - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

Seated Bench Leg Pull In - 20 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Lying Leg Curl - 110 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Lat Pulldown - 130 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Barbell Shrug - 225 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Medium Stance Box Squat - 225 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Fat Gripz Barbell Hold - 135 lbs - 5 x Hold

Incline Treadmill Walk - 20 minutes

@boilerman Boilerman thank you for taking the time to write all of that and explain everything, you’re the best!

I’ll definitely have follow-up questions once I read through it again a couple more times.

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I would look into passive and active solar design. An often used design is some sort of mass storage and eaves to capture heat in the winter and not in the summer. Sometimes a second area is used under the house for cooling. Basically you pump the air past the sun-warmed wall to heat it, and under the house to cool it (to remove the heat). Sometimes water is used as a cooling mass. It’s probably not a complete solution most places but can augment other systems.

This is assuming access to sunlight and that the architecture works for where you build. It wouldn’t fly in my neighborhood. Some of the ideas can be adapted to a more urban setting though.

There’s also solar water heating systems for heating your water. Using fluid to capture the sunlight and transfer the heat to your water heater. I don’t know how the long term maintenance is on that; seems like a lot of failure points.

A lot of these ideas are very dependent on climate, both in terms of temperature ranges and humidity. Our house is two stages with a heat pump and then gas furnace. The furnace only runs a few times a year. It works for where I live now and wouldn’t work almost anywhere else I’ve lived.

Just some directions to look into. I don’t work in the field or anything.

For a really crazy example, look up “Drakes Landing”.

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Wood burning stove to heat your house with no electricity in the winter.

3 tall trees South of your house to shade and cool you in the summer.

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Hey Jshaving, just to piggyback off of @boilerman on to the whole sustainability thing. It might be worthwhile researching LEED (leadership environmental energy design) rating systems for buildings whether they be commercial, residential, industrial etc.

It’s a rating system made by the US Green Building Council that scores buildings based on how sustainable and/or green they are. It’s quite popular in the industry, and hopefully even more owners (rich person or entity/company that funds the construction project) in the future desire sustainable buildings. There are four certification levels a building could receive: Certified, Silver, Gold, and Platinum which is all based on a points system.

Buildings are scored based off of a scorecard (depending on the kind of building or construction practice) which serves as a guideline to implementing sustainable building practices.

There is a scorecard for residential single family homes, so I hope it helps!

https://www.usgbc.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/LEED_v4.1_Residential_Single_Family_Scorecard.xlsx

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Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 6 Day 1

Max Effort Upper


Warmup

E-Z Bar Tricep Curl - 40 lbs - 4 x 25

Rear Deltoid Machine - Hole 2 - 4 x 25

Decline Dumbbell Pullover - 30 lbs - 4 x 25

Wide Grip Barbell Shrug - 135 lbs - 4 x 25


One Arm Dumbbell Row - 85 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Incline Dumbbell Press - 70 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Standing Three Way Deltoid Raise - 20 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Kneeling Reverse Wide Grip Barbell Curl - 70 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Larsen Press - 95 lbs x 5, 115 lbs x 5, 135 lbs x 5, 155 lbs x 5, 175 lbs x 5, 195 lbs x 5,
205 lbs x 5, 215 lbs x 4, 225 lbs x 3, 205 lbs x 4

Plate Pinch - 25 lbs - 5 x Hold

Stairmaster - 10 minutes

I didn’t feel like doing legs so I did upper body. Doing the switcheroo really helps me mitigate mental fatigue, I shall adopt this strategy more as I used to be against it… for frivolous ego purposes.

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Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 6 Day 2

Max Effort Lower


Warmup

Lying Outer Thing and Hip Movement - 4 x 25 Bodyweight

Goblet Squat - 35 lbs - 4 x 25

45 Degree Back Extension - 25 lbs - 4 x 25

Calf Machine - Hole 3 - 4 x 25


Plate Spread Eagle Sit Up - 55 lb Plate - 5 x AMRAP

Seated Horizontal Leg Machine - 320 lbs - 5 x AMRAP

Jackknife Sit-Up - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

Close Grip Chin Up - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

Single Leg Hip Thrust - Bodyweight - 5 x AMRAP

High-Bar Squat - 225 lbs x 5, 245 lbs x 5, 265 lbs x 5, 285 lbs x 5, 305 lbs x 5, 325 lbs x 5, 345 lbs x 5, 365 lbs x 3, 385 lbs x 2, 405 lbs x 1

Incline Treadmill Walk - 20 Minutes

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Conjugate Training

Maintenance/Gaining Phase

Week 6 Day 3

Conditioning/Extra Workout


Dumbbell Thrusters - 20 minutes w/ breaks

Pushups - 40

So….did everyone enjoy their Thanksgiving?

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I enjoyed it the best I could, had to work, got off and then found out my family saved me almost nothing food wise :skull: I was upsetti spaghetti

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Oh no, that’s not good. :rofl:
Not even dessert?

Work on Thanksgiving? If you don’t mind sharing what kind of work do you do?

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