[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
As i said, we still need to hear from pimpbot. If his random goal is just to be able to do more pullups, whatever. but if he wants to add size, This nonsense will not help. In response to the twig doing 77 pullups, Cool story, Bro. yea i could do 50+ pullups if i weighed a buck 30. Could i do twenty right now? Who knows, but im sure as hell not going to waste my time trying to find out. i do know i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs, and THAT will produce a lot more in terms of results than mindlessly “going through the motions.” I equate that to sitting on a leg press and pumping out presses with a whopping 50lbs. You know why youll quit eventually? Not because your muscles are tired or you cant do anymore because you’re all “repped out,” but its because your muscles give up on you. Quad Talking to Hamstring: Quad- “Dude, this is retarded. Im going on strike.” Hamstring- “Yea, F*** this, lets hit up a titty bar.” End set.[/quote]
When you mentioned “i do know i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs” do you mean bent-over rows? And that would be better for back size? If you’ve got a “Back” thread similar to “Legs” I’ll go look for it. Thanks.[/quote]
I think the only bodyparts Akuma didn’t make a thread for was wrists and ankles.
Very informative though Akuma, love ya! :)[/quote]
Cool TY. They should really be stickied. I think it’s useful for all lifters to read.[/quote]
My Bodypart threads havent been deemed as keepers, unfortunately =(
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They are worthy IMHO - I’m quite certain your posts would make a stand alone Blog. Unfortunately other good threads like “C_C, How do you train?” is also not stickied.[/quote]
yea but atleast some good threads like that are in the “best of T-Nation” thread.
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
As for desolator, “my way is better than yours” is a terrible argument and a bit grade school.
My .02[/quote]
Perhaps you need to buy a sarcasm detector? I simply pointed that I THINK my way is better, austin_bicep got sensitive and started attacking, and I just used irony. I am sorry for you if you mean that I really mean that literally.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Prove this shit. You sound mildly retarded. [/quote]
Wowwwww, trying to look smart? I will prove “this shit” then by telling you to look at the gymnasts, they all perform huge number of reps while they rarely train with extra weight strapped.
Anyways sadly this has gone way offtopic, my intentions were to help the OP, but screw this, it’s not worth.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs,[/quote]
LOL, until you clarified it in a later post I was about to call you out with the anger of 1000 demons as to how someone can even fit 8 plates on a dip belt let alone perform pull ups with it.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs,[/quote]
LOL, until you clarified it in a later post I was about to call you out with the anger of 1000 demons as to how someone can even fit 8 plates on a dip belt let alone perform pull ups with it.[/quote]
Lol ya, bodyweight is definitely not excluded from the equation.
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
As for desolator, “my way is better than yours” is a terrible argument and a bit grade school.
My .02[/quote]
Perhaps you need to buy a sarcasm detector? I simply pointed that I THINK my way is better, austin_bicep got sensitive and started attacking, and I just used irony. I am sorry for you if you mean that I really mean that literally.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Prove this shit. You sound mildly retarded. [/quote]
Wowwwww, trying to look smart? I will prove “this shit” then by telling you to look at the gymnasts, they all perform huge number of reps while they rarely train with extra weight strapped.
Anyways sadly this has gone way offtopic, my intentions were to help the OP, but screw this, it’s not worth.[/quote]
So youre saying that someone the size of a gymnast can use your method to get better at pullups?
The problem is that, someone that is bodybuilder sized, or trying to be bodybuilder sized, doesn’t have any real bussiness trying to increase just his BW pullups. Like Akuma said, that has no meaning. So taking all that into consideration, someone that is trying to build muscle and increase his BW pullups (for some weird reason, just for fun), will de facto do weighted pull ups (since he needs to build muscle). But if he trains high rep BW pullups the same time, he will increase them faster, that is called the principle of specifity.
[quote]desolator wrote:
The problem is that, someone that is bodybuilder sized, or trying to be bodybuilder sized, doesn’t have any real bussiness trying to increase just his BW pullups. Like Akuma said, that has no meaning. So taking all that into consideration, someone that is trying to build muscle and increase his BW pullups (for some weird reason, just for fun), will de facto do weighted pull ups (since he needs to build muscle). But if he trains high rep BW pullups the same time, he will increase them faster, that is called the principle of specifity.[/quote]
You’re completely missing the point. What’s being insinuated is that very high rep protocols such as the one you’re suggesting works when the person isn’t that heavy in the first place. When the person is significantly heavier, weighted work is purported to be more efficient - principle of specificity part 2: applying training according to the person.
WP, there are heavy people that have increased their max by greasing the groove. It is just simply harder. Also the principle of specifity will work with 2 goals at the time, just works better when you focus on one target. That’s why I said there is no apparrent reason for someone BB’ing wanting to increase BW reps.
Btw this is a bit like this situation: Someone wants to improve his 1 km distance running time. Surely, getting him faster on the 100 and 200 m will help some, but if you actually make him run some 1 km runs will definately speed up the progress.
[quote]desolator wrote:
The problem is that, someone that is bodybuilder sized, or trying to be bodybuilder sized, doesn’t have any real bussiness trying to increase just his BW pullups. Like Akuma said, that has no meaning. So taking all that into consideration, someone that is trying to build muscle and increase his BW pullups (for some weird reason, just for fun), will de facto do weighted pull ups (since he needs to build muscle). But if he trains high rep BW pullups the same time, he will increase them faster, that is called the principle of specifity.[/quote]
Usually people backpedal a little more subtly.
Based on this post youre saying that he should get smaller so your gymnast approach will apply.
[quote]desolator wrote:
WP, there are heavy people that have increased their max by greasing the groove. It is just simply harder. Also the principle of specifity will work with 2 goals at the time, just works better when you focus on one target. That’s why I said there is no apparrent reason for someone BB’ing wanting to increase BW reps.
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Hahahaha are you serious. WHy did you even open your moth in the first place if this is what youre going to base your argument on. “Bodybuilders have no apparent reason to increase their rep numbers” haha what a clown.
NO SHIT YOUR APPROACH IS HARDER FOR BIG PEOPLE. Thats why people disagreed with your approach.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i do know i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs[/quote]
Yeah, I was about to call you a dirty Communist liar on that one lol. I was going to say I’ve NEVER seen anyone do 350lbs on the belt. I guess if you put it that way I can say that I can pullup 290 pounds. That actually sounds pretty bad ass, I think I’ll be doing that in the future.
As for the debate going on- why not just do both heavy weight and high reps? Like I said, my pullups skyrocketed after I started doing my low rep/heavy weight working sets and finishing off the pullup workout by jettisoning plates one after the other until your bodyweight feels like it weighs 100lbs more on its own. It was outlined for weighted dips a while back as the “jettison technique” or something like that. If you wanted to, after doing the jettison set, you could do an extra set of BW pullups. Whatever you personally are trying to do, impress the bunnies or max a PFT or just to say that you can, it will be easy to do AND you’ll be able to load plates on the belt and pull them up.
On a side note, this is the most impressive pullup that I’ve ever seen. I thought that I had a decent weighted pullup for my size, and this guy comes along and doubles it while weighing 15 pounds less than me. Fuck that!
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i do know i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs[/quote]
Yeah, I was about to call you a dirty Communist liar on that one lol. I was going to say I’ve NEVER seen anyone do 350lbs on the belt. I guess if you put it that way I can say that I can pullup 290 pounds. That actually sounds pretty bad ass, I think I’ll be doing that in the future.
As for the debate going on- why not just do both heavy weight and high reps? Like I said, my pullups skyrocketed after I started doing my low rep/heavy weight working sets and finishing off the pullup workout by jettisoning plates one after the other until your bodyweight feels like it weighs 100lbs more on its own. It was outlined for weighted dips a while back as the “jettison technique” or something like that. If you wanted to, after doing the jettison set, you could do an extra set of BW pullups. Whatever you personally are trying to do, impress the bunnies or max a PFT or just to say that you can, it will be easy to do AND you’ll be able to load plates on the belt and pull them up.[/quote]
Lol oh no doubt it sounds better, but hey its the truth!
As for the debate, Heavy has its place, and higher reps has its place. But when is too much too much. 20 reps isnt a workout set, its a warmup. if youre performing over 50 reps a set, or hell over 20, IMHO youre wasting time/space.
ALSO, as for your video post, BAH fuck that pullup. Throws so many more muscles into the equation
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
On a side note, this is the most impressive pullup that I’ve ever seen. I thought that I had a decent weighted pullup for my size, and this guy comes along and doubles it while weighing 15 pounds less than me. Fuck that!
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One time at my gym a guy was doing dips with 4 plates on the belt. Its kind of funny to watch the setup because its so awkward getting into the right position with a 180lb ball sack.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
i do know i can perform a solid 8 w/350lbs[/quote]
Yeah, I was about to call you a dirty Communist liar on that one lol. I was going to say I’ve NEVER seen anyone do 350lbs on the belt. I guess if you put it that way I can say that I can pullup 290 pounds. That actually sounds pretty bad ass, I think I’ll be doing that in the future.
As for the debate going on- why not just do both heavy weight and high reps? Like I said, my pullups skyrocketed after I started doing my low rep/heavy weight working sets and finishing off the pullup workout by jettisoning plates one after the other until your bodyweight feels like it weighs 100lbs more on its own. It was outlined for weighted dips a while back as the “jettison technique” or something like that. If you wanted to, after doing the jettison set, you could do an extra set of BW pullups. Whatever you personally are trying to do, impress the bunnies or max a PFT or just to say that you can, it will be easy to do AND you’ll be able to load plates on the belt and pull them up.[/quote]
Lol oh no doubt it sounds better, but hey its the truth!
As for the debate, Heavy has its place, and higher reps has its place. But when is too much too much. 20 reps isnt a workout set, its a warmup. if youre performing over 50 reps a set, or hell over 20, IMHO youre wasting time/space.
ALSO, as for your video post, BAH fuck that pullup. Throws so many more muscles into the equation[/quote]
I agree, I only keep the reps up on those because I have to.
On the video, do you mean because he goes into a parallel and then supinated grip during the lift? I was wondering about that too, because in my opinion having a parallel or even a supinated (chin up) grip is a little easier than having your hands pronated (pull up).
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
On a side note, this is the most impressive pullup that I’ve ever seen. I thought that I had a decent weighted pullup for my size, and this guy comes along and doubles it while weighing 15 pounds less than me. Fuck that!
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One time at my gym a guy was doing dips with 4 plates on the belt. Its kind of funny to watch the setup because its so awkward getting into the right position with a 180lb ball sack.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m getting to that point, and all I can say is that it feels about as awkward as it looks. The best part is once the set is done and you have to lower the weight to the ground. It’s basically the manliest teabag pantomime ever.
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
On a side note, this is the most impressive pullup that I’ve ever seen. I thought that I had a decent weighted pullup for my size, and this guy comes along and doubles it while weighing 15 pounds less than me. Fuck that!
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One time at my gym a guy was doing dips with 4 plates on the belt. Its kind of funny to watch the setup because its so awkward getting into the right position with a 180lb ball sack.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m getting to that point, and all I can say is that it feels about as awkward as it looks. The best part is once the set is done and you have to lower the weight to the ground. It’s basically the manliest teabag pantomime ever.[/quote]
Most annoying thing is bench dips with 4+ plates, impossible to do by yourself without risking crushing your nuts or falling to the floor, need someone to take the plates off your lap.
Yea, he supinates, he has a close grip, the end of the movement turns more into a arm workout, throwing in major biceps, Brachioradialis, and other forearm muscles.
More power to the guy for doing it, but TO ME, thats as much as a pullup as holding onto the bar with 1 hand, gripping your wrist with your other hand, and calling that a 1 handed pullup. Its like putting a mustache on the Mona Lisa, ya know lol? A pullup is a pullup, when you alter it to move more weight, you also remove some of the genius behind the movement itself.
[quote]Mettahl wrote:
On a side note, this is the most impressive pullup that I’ve ever seen. I thought that I had a decent weighted pullup for my size, and this guy comes along and doubles it while weighing 15 pounds less than me. Fuck that!
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One time at my gym a guy was doing dips with 4 plates on the belt. Its kind of funny to watch the setup because its so awkward getting into the right position with a 180lb ball sack.[/quote]
Yeah, I’m getting to that point, and all I can say is that it feels about as awkward as it looks. The best part is once the set is done and you have to lower the weight to the ground. It’s basically the manliest teabag pantomime ever.[/quote]
Most annoying thing is bench dips with 4+ plates, impossible to do by yourself without risking crushing your nuts or falling to the floor, need someone to take the plates off your lap.[/quote]
lol yea, its basically why i stopped those a long time ago lol. Most i ever did was 3 plates, and getting into position was just annoying as fuck.
TY. They should really be stickied. I think it’s useful for all lifters to read.[/quote]