[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Yea, he supinates, he has a close grip, the end of the movement turns more into a arm workout, throwing in major biceps, Brachioradialis, and other forearm muscles.
More power to the guy for doing it, but TO ME, thats as much as a pullup as holding onto the bar with 1 hand, gripping your wrist with your other hand, and calling that a 1 handed pullup. Its like putting a mustache on the Mona Lisa, ya know lol? A pullup is a pullup, when you alter it to move more weight, you also remove some of the genius behind the movement itself.[/quote]
And yet, you weren’t quite so stingy with critiquing form when you were dropping your 405 bench video on the forum.
[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I recently got 23 at 200 lbs.
When I was working on increasing my reps at bodyweight I would do clusters to failure for all my sets. My back seems to profit from high volume.[/quote]
[quote]desolator wrote:
WP, there are heavy people that have increased their max by greasing the groove. It is just simply harder.[/quote]
It’s just simply harder? Is that an admission that high rep training is actually less efficient?
Also, your 1 km run example is a poor one to choose. Running is completely different to a pull-up test.
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So you suggest if the op wants to increase his BW pullups, only train them weighted and never do BW sets? Some posts above about the jettison sets sound like a good plan.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Yea, he supinates, he has a close grip, the end of the movement turns more into a arm workout, throwing in major biceps, Brachioradialis, and other forearm muscles.
More power to the guy for doing it, but TO ME, thats as much as a pullup as holding onto the bar with 1 hand, gripping your wrist with your other hand, and calling that a 1 handed pullup. Its like putting a mustache on the Mona Lisa, ya know lol? A pullup is a pullup, when you alter it to move more weight, you also remove some of the genius behind the movement itself.[/quote]
And yet, you weren’t quite so stingy with critiquing form when you were dropping your 405 bench video on the forum.
Strong lift is strong.[/quote]
…i creditted him for his lift, but you change the movement, you change the muscles involved. Its not about form, its about doing a completely different movement. 8 normal pullups and 8 close grip Palm facing in pullups are 2 completely different exercises…
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Yea, he supinates, he has a close grip, the end of the movement turns more into a arm workout, throwing in major biceps, Brachioradialis, and other forearm muscles.
More power to the guy for doing it, but TO ME, thats as much as a pullup as holding onto the bar with 1 hand, gripping your wrist with your other hand, and calling that a 1 handed pullup. Its like putting a mustache on the Mona Lisa, ya know lol? A pullup is a pullup, when you alter it to move more weight, you also remove some of the genius behind the movement itself.[/quote]
And yet, you weren’t quite so stingy with critiquing form when you were dropping your 405 bench video on the forum.
[quote]desolator wrote:
WP, there are heavy people that have increased their max by greasing the groove. It is just simply harder.[/quote]
It’s just simply harder? Is that an admission that high rep training is actually less efficient?
Also, your 1 km run example is a poor one to choose. Running is completely different to a pull-up test.
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So you suggest if the op wants to increase his BW pullups, only train them weighted and never do BW sets? Some posts above about the jettison sets sound like a good plan.[/quote]
Well I did, the only reason I joined this thread was to help the OP. About the chinup video posted, he may do it at rings, but I see it totally legimate. There was no kicking, no swinging, all upperbody. Sure he may supinated his hands, but I don’t see it making a huge difference. Probably this guy can do this on a normal chinning bar, mad strong. Also look his other videos.
[quote]desolator wrote:
Well I did, the only reason I joined this thread was to help the OP. About the chinup video posted, he may do it at rings, but I see it totally legimate. There was no kicking, no swinging, all upperbody. Sure he may supinated his hands, but I don’t see it making a huge difference. Probably this guy can do this on a normal chinning bar, mad strong. Also look his other videos.[/quote]
i Simply stated that those arent pullups to me, just because they take focus off your back and displace it onto your arms. Turning your hands like that DURING a set will cause action of your Supinator muscle, and that grip style uses a lot more bicep and brachioradialis, along with other forearm muscles.
He could do pullups like that all day for all i care. His forearm will definitely get huge because of it, or atleast the bulge of the BR will be huge, but I would never use that form, AS “I dont see that as a pullup.” As a matter of fact, a lot of people use variants of a close grip pullup for bicep focus.
What anonym said was simple Douche baggery at its finest.
If you want to be anal about the definitions, yeah this isn’t essentially a Pull-up, but it is a Ring Pull-up. You are right that his arms work harder during a bar pull-up, but that doesn’t mean that his lats are working less than a normal one.
You can see that his humerus is touching his body, for any reason, the arms themselves cannot bring the arm towards the torso. So taking all these into consideration, maybe ring pull-ups are harder than their bar counterparts.
Hell yeah. It’s bruno082985, who doesn’t post that much.
And yes, he’s modified the exercise to be able to use as much weight as possible, but it’s still impressive as hell and since his goal is probably not to feel it in his lats, no one cares about that in this case.
Hell yeah. It’s bruno082985, who doesn’t post that much.
And yes, he’s modified the exercise to be able to use as much weight as possible, but it’s still impressive as hell and since his goal is probably not to feel it in his lats, no one cares about that in this case.[/quote]
Good find Kakno, I’ve seen some of his other videos, very focused guy.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Strong lift is strong. I’ve seen that vid in the PR thread in the T-Cell so he’s probably a member. Anyone remember who that is?
I’m not sure training near your 1RM will give you as fast result around 20 reps as high reps, but I’m pretty sure increasing your weighted 10RM will.
So once again: 5/3/1. Seriously.[/quote]
Yes this is what I came in here to say. I did bodyweight only but got seriously stalled at 18-19 pullups for a while. I started doing a weighted 10RM on both pullups and chinups, once a week for each, as accessories for 5/3/1. After doing this for a few months I busted out a set of 25 at 210lbs after not going for max reps for ages, and this was with better form than my old 18-19 too.
I come by way of Waterbury’s recent pullup article. I would use his method for increasing my pullups, but I can only rep 6+ on my chinups for 1 set and I really want to increase my pronated/neutral grip pullups.
Does anyone here know of any programs that might help me increase my reps, seeing that I’m starting out with such a small max (pronated grip 4 and neutral grip 5)? My goal was to get 10 in 2010, but I’m seriously lagging.
I checked out some of the programs cited in this thread - the military one was kinda intense, and i’m not sure i fully understand selkow’s (http://www.elitefts.com/documents/pull-ups1.htm) - i’ll read it again later.
My training has been switched up recently, but I increased my reps doing 10x2 (as per PB Andy’s rec), should I just keep using this method and up it to 10x3?
Also are there any adverse effects of me switching grips b/w pro/sup and neutral? i.e. slow down progress towards 10max goal. Ideally, i’d like to train all three in 1 week.
[quote]Mascherano wrote:
I come by way of Waterbury’s recent pullup article. I would use his method for increasing my pullups, but I can only rep 6+ on my chinups for 1 set and I really want to increase my pronated/neutral grip pullups.
Does anyone here know of any programs that might help me increase my reps, seeing that I’m starting out with such a small max (pronated grip 4 and neutral grip 5)? My goal was to get 10 in 2010, but I’m seriously lagging.
I checked out some of the programs cited in this thread - the military one was kinda intense, and i’m not sure i fully understand selkow’s (http://www.elitefts.com/documents/pull-ups1.htm) - i’ll read it again later.
My training has been switched up recently, but I increased my reps doing 10x2 (as per PB Andy’s rec), should I just keep using this method and up it to 10x3?
Also are there any adverse effects of me switching grips b/w pro/sup and neutral? i.e. slow down progress towards 10max goal. Ideally, i’d like to train all three in 1 week.
Any advice greatly appreciated.[/quote]
You are on track, don’t make it so complicated. Just keep doing pull-ups every time between sets. Rack up the total amount of reps. Switching between grips is fine, just get the reps in. Yes, do 10x3, then 10x4, etc etc. As long as each workout has more reps than the one before it. Every once in awhile see how many reps you can do for pull-ups, if you reach 10, then congratulations, it’s time to add weight.
[quote]Elite0423 wrote:
this worked really good for me. at the time i could only do 1 pull up so as the reps went up the sets went down.
this is the scheme.
10x1
10x2
10x3 i was able to get 5 in a row now so i started doing
8x4 after two weeks of this i got 7 in a row so i started doing
6x6 this was the toughest week and then i progressed to the regular
3 to 4 sets of 8-10. took me about a month a half but it worked really well. after i get 5x10 clean pullups i will start adding weight. [/quote]
This is probably the best method and works for anyone who’s max reps are 10 or less. Another slower approach is to just increase the total number of pull-ups per workout by 1 or 2. Example…
Week 1: 10 sets of 3
Week 2: 2 sets of 4 + 8 sets of 3
Week 3: 4 sets of 4 + 6 sets of 3
…
Week 6: 10 sets of 4
Decrease sets once you get past 10x5 so your just doing max of 50 pullups total.
