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Goal being distance. Going faster means more distance can be covered before the musles fatigue.
johnflower,I do get your point,but,keep in mind the concept of a more powerful engine pulling a car full of people. A smaller weaker engine will struggle more to pull the weight. A stronger body will carry the weight more easily. A stronger body+going faster=awesome. Confusion
[quote]budreiser wrote:
Iâm gonna stop eating and start bent pressing so I get strong. [/quote]
Iâll bent press you while you bent press.
[quote]confusion wrote:
You seem a little touchy about the gear thing. Iâve actually never said someone couldnât criticze ME thatâs on gear.
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[quote]confusion wrote:
I will say this bud,donât ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear.[/quote]
after a gear head attacked me roybot. You are awesome as usual. How do you train? Iâve never seen you contribute anything other than negativity. Are you an unhappy person. Hate me for some reason?
[quote]texas man wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]confusion wrote:
what are a few of the ingeresting posts? I agree btw[/quote]
In no particular order:
OPâs manifesto, however misguided, was an interesting insight into how another lifter forms his opinions.
Up to this point, never knew what a bent press was (not that I plan on trying it anytime soon) and now I do thanks to that little tangent.
T3hPwnisherâs leg routine, which I just might tweak to fit my particular goals. [/quote]
Glad you and a few other folks enjoyed that. Just something I came up with one day to challenge myself that ended up being a pretty effective protocol. For those that want to make it more a challenge vs a program, you can always keep stripping plates and going AMRAP/half until you hit the bar. Should be fun, haha.
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Yea thanks for that, Iâm going to take a crack at it this week[/quote]
LIES!!! It was not fun. Not fun at all.
Looking forward to the next workout.
[quote]confusion wrote:
after a gear head attacked me roybot. You are awesome as usual. How do you train? Iâve never seen you contribute anything other than negativity. Are you an unhappy person. Hate me for some reason?[/quote]
He wasnât a âgear headâ though (2nd time youâve wrongly accused someone of that); even if he was, you said it was fine for someone on AAS to criticize you.
Confusion can you start posting your bent press numbers so I have an idea for a # to shoot for. Also what is your diet like? I would someday like to achieve the svelte 260 that you hold so incredibly well.
What do you guys think of the One Arm Snatch? Below I speculate on the merits of the lift. What do you think?
Hypertrophywise it is fairly poor for most things. Perhaps it has a second tier place for the forearms, and lats. The grip is working hard to hold the bar as it is accelerated by the legs, and the lats work to keep the bar close to the body and to extend the spine.
It has benefit for developing power, MMC, reducing shoulder pain associated with benching, and improving posture. As a quick lift it requires maximum muscle recruitment to accelerate the bar. This recruitment strengthens the neurological connection between mind and muscle. I speculate that this transfers well to other things as âMMCâ. No other lift loads external rotation of the shoulder as much. This strengthening improves bad posture from excessively strong pectorals, and biceps, and pain from benching. Certainly itâs a lot more fun than facepulls.
Below is a video from a recent set. Still huge scope for increasing the weight by dipping lower.
Iâm experimenting with technique here. Iâm starting with the centre of the bar nearer to my nonlifting leg (opposite of convention), as done by Mark Jones c. 1919. My nonlifting hand is thumb forward as done by Charles Rigoulot. The theory is that by having the bar further away there is a longer pull which allows more time to accelerate the bar. The hand placement allows a better push off.
Confusion, what method do you use for your DB snatches? How does it benefit you?
In all seriousness, you may want to get involved with USAWA.
A lot of these lifts, besides being showcases for strength/skill, came around in a time where people were also lifting for health; things like strength through wide ranges of mobility, and strengthening connective tissue. You still see some of that focus with gymnasts, but not so much with lifters anymore. You can see this come up in the âshould you lock out your elbows when doing pullupsâ discussions.
In the current climate where thereâs different foci: max strength, or max size, or âproportionalâ/âaestheticâ size; these lifts donât have much place. That doesnât make them bad or good, it just means that for those goals, other lifts do a better job. Itâs also no secret that a lot of people get joint injuries when training using the more modern exercise selection. How much of that is âjust liftingâ, and how much of that is actually exercise selection, I donât know.
There probably wonât be much traction on this site as far as bent presses, one armed snatches and the like, simply because of that.
All in all you have decent OAS technique. I prefer using dumbbells myself, as I can more safely go heavier that way. Still, it is an accessory movement at best, and not a main movement for getting substantially stronger or bigger.
I agree with the strong foci of today. The average Joe is in poorer physical shape compared with 100 years ago. But our elite athletes are stronger, faster, more enduring, and bigger than ever before. There is now money to attract talent and to encourage hard work. This specialisation carries over to the gym, even for people who just want to look good on the beach.
Despite talking about these lifts, they actually form a small part of my programme. But with every man, and his dog, talking about squats (you can fill a shelf on a book case with books on squatting), pulling from the floor, and pressing, I want to hear more about peoples thoughts on less common lifts.
Iâve got a few friends in USAWA. Great people. Very helpful with technique. However I live in small town, in New Zealand. One place I went to in town to get coaching, I took my own bars and bumper plates. NZAWA arenât very active, and the members live a fair distance away. Itâs also quite interesting to hear perpective from a wide range of people. Itâs very easy to get comfortable training at home, surround oneself with agreeable people on the internet, and miss out on good ideas.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
Still, it is an accessory movement at best, and not a main movement for getting substantially stronger or bigger.[/quote]
I agree.
What are your thoughts on the other benefits I proposed, above?
What method do you use for your snatching?
[quote]johnflower wrote:
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
Still, it is an accessory movement at best, and not a main movement for getting substantially stronger or bigger.[/quote]
I agree.
What are your thoughts on the other benefits I proposed, above?
What method do you use for your snatching?[/quote]
A snatch carries a higher risk to reward ratio than many other lifts, but that doesnât mean you shouldnât do it. As to reducing shoulder pain associated with benching, I also donât see that. It puts a lot of stress on the shoulder joint, and depending on your acromiom type, some people canât really do that type of overhead movement safely. Yes it does help develop power, and that is its primary benefit.
Agreed. These movements probably have value for a grappler or gymnast to build some static strength in 3D spanning the 3 planes rather than simply the saggital plane. If youâre looking for a career in law enforcement to overpower perps or man the ER having to control a 300 pound addict who explodes without warning on arrival, then i see no reason not to incorporate these movements. If youâre a regular joe who wants to join a weekend âfight clubâ and slug it out with other untrained schmoes, then yeah, some kettlebell work and odd movements like the bent press will likely give you a serious (and i mean serious) edge over other office goers.
That said, bent pressing 55 kilos is basically an âeasyâ way for someone with your build to put up 115 pounds with a single arm, so if that indirectly helps your overhead pressing allowing you to move heavier weights more smoothly - then yeah, I see the value in building size. The focus today is building raw strength in the main muscle groups using foundational lifts where you move heavy weights for reps in the saggital plane - carryover to general daily activities is not the focus. For athletes, sports specific drills after a raw strength-based GPP in the offseason are usually relied on to help the athlete âlearn to transferâ his raw strength to the field.
OP, I think you should post these ideas on Thibaudeauâs forum since he has experience across the training spectrum (size/strength/power/speed) and trained bodybuilders as well as athletes in different sports.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
In all seriousness, you may want to get involved with USAWA.
A lot of these lifts, besides being showcases for strength/skill, came around in a time where people were also lifting for health; things like strength through wide ranges of mobility, and strengthening connective tissue. You still see some of that focus with gymnasts, but not so much with lifters anymore. You can see this come up in the âshould you lock out your elbows when doing pullupsâ discussions.
In the current climate where thereâs different foci: max strength, or max size, or âproportionalâ/âaestheticâ size; these lifts donât have much place. That doesnât make them bad or good, it just means that for those goals, other lifts do a better job. Itâs also no secret that a lot of people get joint injuries when training using the more modern exercise selection. How much of that is âjust liftingâ, and how much of that is actually exercise selection, I donât know.
There probably wonât be much traction on this site as far as bent presses, one armed snatches and the like, simply because of that.[/quote]
Iâll give you that while I donât agree with your methods, one hand snatches do look pretty cool.
[quote]budreiser wrote:
Confusion can you start posting your bent press numbers so I have an idea for a # to shoot for. Also what is your diet like? I would someday like to achieve the svelte 260 that you hold so incredibly well. [/quote]
How did I get fat? Lots, and I mean lots of beer. its a personal demon and bad for the body and most other things
John, I have to ask. With your own admitted lack of success in training, what compelled you to offer advice to other trainees?
I ask because I noticed a few of your posts in other threads where this happens.
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
John, I have to ask. With your own admitted lack of success in training, what compelled you to offer advice to other trainees?
I ask because I noticed a few of your posts in other threads where this happens.[/quote]
Being on the internet reduces the filter I normally apply to my thoughts. I am enthusiastic to a fault.
Please correct me where my advice was wrong. If you agree with it, please tell me that too.
[quote]johnflower wrote:
Being on the internet reduces the filter I normally apply to my thoughts. I am enthusiastic to a fault.
Please correct me where my advice was wrong. If you agree with it, please tell me that too.[/quote]
Youâre speaking to the point I am trying to make. I will try to restate.
Do you feel you are benefiting the people who are asking questions by offering them advice that you are unsure is correct? Or do you offer the advice more for the sake of your own enjoyment of discussing lifting and less for the sake of helping the person who is asking the question?
I like to explode the weight off of the floor. For me,even tho I am fairly tall,the weight just seems to fly up. I am not talking about massive weights because most places donât have dumbells over 50kilo. But 50kilo one arm dumbell snatch,I try to explode the weight.all the way to lockout,more than try to get under it half way and press it up. I try to lower it under control,but for me,thatâs where I have to be real careful with form to keep from getting hurt.