[quote]confusion wrote:
what are a few of the ingeresting posts? I agree btw[/quote]
In no particular order:
OP’s manifesto, however misguided, was an interesting insight into how another lifter forms his opinions.
Up to this point, never knew what a bent press was (not that I plan on trying it anytime soon) and now I do thanks to that little tangent.
T3hPwnisher’s leg routine, which I just might tweak to fit my particular goals.
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]TheCB wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]pwolves17 wrote:
El Oh El at this whole thread[/quote]
So every single post in this thread made you lol…? [/quote]
this post sure as shit didnt[/quote]
And why should it? I’m not here to amuse your ass.
Thread starts off with a misguided lifter giving his manifesto, some members disagreed, and a few interesting posts came out of it.
So I’m annoyed when someone just prances in and condescendingly lols at “this whole thread” like he’s above it all. [/quote]
sorry if i made you angry 
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No worries. You didn’t.
[quote]confusion wrote:
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
A couple of things…
Confusion I went on your log and to be honest you don’t look like you’ve trained a day in your life. I usually wouldn’t call someone out on physique, I don’t personally have a great one, but it grinds me when someone starts talking about gear when they have literally 0 idea what in gods name theyre even talking about. I don’t care if you choose not to use, but don’t say that someone cant critique you because you think they’re using and have some sort of advantage on you.
Nothing irks me more than someone who says or insinuates that Gear users have a one-up on them. You have the option to use as well, so you have no excuse as to why you couldn’t do something either. You have no excuse to not be as strong or as big as you could be.
Also, your advice to a beginner to train once a week is retarted. I don’t know how chris worded it because I’ve stopped reading this whole thing but if he didn’t say it originally I will now. Beginners can’t use nearly enough weight to warrant training once a week due to recovery issues. Not even sort of close. [/quote]
got no problem with you living your life the way you want. I think AAS can be done responsibly and lots of lifters do it. Cool. You seem a little touchy about the gear thing. I’ve actually never said someone couldn’t criticze ME that’s on gear. I personally felt that yogi was being a bit of a dick by repeatedly telling john he looked like he didn’t lift. And then talking all this jive ass I wanna act cool shit on steroid forums. And then having no pics to criticize in return. Your opinion is your own and you freely shared it with me. So,you know how to train,use gear,and don’t have a great physique??? What’s your excuse??? I am not training retarded now,I can get better. How about you?
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I don’t train for physique, nor do I care to, im a powerlifter. I still post a better physique than you do. Your physique blows dick lol. also hold on ill go literally find the quote where you do exactly do say this.
[quote]confusion wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]confusion wrote:
I respect this guy for putting himself out there and actually trying something different. Some of the guys criticizing him have no photos posted and some are on gear. He is experimenting with his body and is learning what works for him. How many times do we hear that we all respond differently and need to find what works for us? How many lifters really believe that? There are plenty of guys and gals doing programs and not progressing,but still thinking that what they are doing is the only correct way to train. [/quote]
They usually think they DO respond differently and can’t be convinced otherwise. I remember this one guy who was hell-bent on emulating Mike Mentzer…
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I got pretty big doing it too. Now I am trying to keep improving. And I don’t cycle steroids like you either,nor do I only make negative posts
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With this I’m out.
awesome. I am gone.
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]confusion wrote:
what are a few of the ingeresting posts? I agree btw[/quote]
In no particular order:
OP’s manifesto, however misguided, was an interesting insight into how another lifter forms his opinions.
Up to this point, never knew what a bent press was (not that I plan on trying it anytime soon) and now I do thanks to that little tangent.
T3hPwnisher’s leg routine, which I just might tweak to fit my particular goals. [/quote]
Glad you and a few other folks enjoyed that. Just something I came up with one day to challenge myself that ended up being a pretty effective protocol. For those that want to make it more a challenge vs a program, you can always keep stripping plates and going AMRAP/half until you hit the bar. Should be fun, haha.
Theme song for this thread:
plainpat. You have got to be kidding me. I’m glad I looked up your profile. Bud,if that’s all the better you can do with juice,damn. I am speechless. You’re 19 and soft with.less muscle than me,I just can’t believe you said I look like I never lifted in my life. I will say this bud,don’t ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear. Fuck. It nust be hard to powerlift with those small forearns,although belly fat is pretty common in powerlifting. Unbelievable
He’s a 19 year old kid who will not have the muscle maturity of someone in his thirties, no matter how hard he trains.
You on the other hand are a 45 year old man feeling awesome about picking arguments on a forum frequented by insecure, (mostly) short teenagers/twenty somethings for whom the pursuit of “aestheticz” is about the only thing that makes sense as they’re forced into the realities of adulthood.
Come on, man.
[quote]confusion wrote:
plainpat. You have got to be kidding me. I’m glad I looked up your profile. Bud,if that’s all the better you can do with juice,damn. I am speechless. You’re 19 and soft with.less muscle than me,I just can’t believe you said I look like I never lifted in my life. I will say this bud,don’t ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear. Fuck. It nust be hard to powerlift with those small forearns,although belly fat is pretty common in powerlifting. Unbelievable[/quote]
Dearie me looks like someone’s having a meltdown
[quote]ChongLordUno wrote:
Dearie me looks like someone’s having a meltdown[/quote]
THread took some interesting turns, but looks like we got us a good ol’ fashioned T-Nation pissing contest heyah -lol
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[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He’s a 19 year old kid who will not have the muscle maturity of someone in his thirties, no matter how hard he trains.
You on the other hand are a 45 year old man feeling awesome about picking arguments on a forum frequented by insecure, (mostly) short teenagers/twenty somethings for whom the pursuit of “aestheticz” is about the only thing that makes sense as they’re forced into the realities of adulthood.
Come on, man.
[quote]confusion wrote:
plainpat. You have got to be kidding me. I’m glad I looked up your profile. Bud,if that’s all the better you can do with juice,damn. I am speechless. You’re 19 and soft with.less muscle than me,I just can’t believe you said I look like I never lifted in my life. I will say this bud,don’t ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear. Fuck. It nust be hard to powerlift with those small forearns,although belly fat is pretty common in powerlifting. Unbelievable[/quote]
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I don’t know where the assumption that I’m on gear came from but ok then lol. You feel the need to offer advice on training while looking like shit, don’t want to be criticized by people if they run gear (which you have contradicted yourself multiple times by now), assume that people are on gear and therefore cant criticize you when you have nothing to back that up (wow people can defend gear without being on? shocker to you I suppose), you think you look great while you look like a fat average male at your age… I don’t know what is going on in your delusional head. You feel the need to look at old pictures of me and call me out on issues that don’t even exist (forearm size for powerlifting? Glad that really comes into play) while you cant even look at your own and see yourself for what you are
Youre a sad delusional man"
EDIT: As well If youre looking at the pictures in my hub in the photos theyre over 2 years old so if that’s what youre going off of youre a little behind the times Pal
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He’s a 19 year old kid who will not have the muscle maturity of someone in his thirties, no matter how hard he trains.
You on the other hand are a 45 year old man feeling awesome about picking arguments on a forum frequented by insecure, (mostly) short teenagers/twenty somethings for whom the pursuit of “aestheticz” is about the only thing that makes sense as they’re forced into the realities of adulthood.
Come on, man.
[quote]confusion wrote:
plainpat. You have got to be kidding me. I’m glad I looked up your profile. Bud,if that’s all the better you can do with juice,damn. I am speechless. You’re 19 and soft with.less muscle than me,I just can’t believe you said I look like I never lifted in my life. I will say this bud,don’t ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear. Fuck. It nust be hard to powerlift with those small forearns,although belly fat is pretty common in powerlifting. Unbelievable[/quote]
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you have read the whole thread haven’t you? I didn’t pick a fight with anyone.
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He’s a 19 year old kid who will not have the muscle maturity of someone in his thirties, no matter how hard he trains.
You on the other hand are a 45 year old man feeling awesome about picking arguments on a forum frequented by insecure, (mostly) short teenagers/twenty somethings for whom the pursuit of “aestheticz” is about the only thing that makes sense as they’re forced into the realities of adulthood.
Come on, man.
[quote]confusion wrote:
plainpat. You have got to be kidding me. I’m glad I looked up your profile. Bud,if that’s all the better you can do with juice,damn. I am speechless. You’re 19 and soft with.less muscle than me,I just can’t believe you said I look like I never lifted in my life. I will say this bud,don’t ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear. Fuck. It nust be hard to powerlift with those small forearns,although belly fat is pretty common in powerlifting. Unbelievable[/quote]
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I don’t know where the assumption that I’m on gear came from but ok then lol. You feel the need to offer advice on training while looking like shit, don’t want to be criticized by people if they run gear (which you have contradicted yourself multiple times by now), assume that people are on gear and therefore cant criticize you when you have nothing to back that up (wow people can defend gear without being on? shocker to you I suppose), you think you look great while you look like a fat average male at your age… I don’t know what is going on in your delusional head. You feel the need to look at old pictures of me and call me out on issues that don’t even exist (forearm size for powerlifting? Glad that really comes into play) while you cant even look at your own and see yourself for what you are
Youre a sad delusional man"
EDIT: As well If youre looking at the pictures in my hub in the photos theyre over 2 years old so if that’s what youre going off of youre a little behind the times Pal[/quote]
I expected to see better forearms from gripping big weights. Lets be clear on something Pat,you attacked me,you were angry about some supposed thing I thought about gear. Then you proceeded to shit all over me. When you get to my size you can diet down and be,well, anyway… Lets just drop it please
[quote]confusion wrote:
[quote]PlainPat wrote:
[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
He’s a 19 year old kid who will not have the muscle maturity of someone in his thirties, no matter how hard he trains.
You on the other hand are a 45 year old man feeling awesome about picking arguments on a forum frequented by insecure, (mostly) short teenagers/twenty somethings for whom the pursuit of “aestheticz” is about the only thing that makes sense as they’re forced into the realities of adulthood.
Come on, man.
[quote]confusion wrote:
plainpat. You have got to be kidding me. I’m glad I looked up your profile. Bud,if that’s all the better you can do with juice,damn. I am speechless. You’re 19 and soft with.less muscle than me,I just can’t believe you said I look like I never lifted in my life. I will say this bud,don’t ever criticize me again looking like that,especially while on gear. Fuck. It nust be hard to powerlift with those small forearns,although belly fat is pretty common in powerlifting. Unbelievable[/quote]
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I don’t know where the assumption that I’m on gear came from but ok then lol. You feel the need to offer advice on training while looking like shit, don’t want to be criticized by people if they run gear (which you have contradicted yourself multiple times by now), assume that people are on gear and therefore cant criticize you when you have nothing to back that up (wow people can defend gear without being on? shocker to you I suppose), you think you look great while you look like a fat average male at your age… I don’t know what is going on in your delusional head. You feel the need to look at old pictures of me and call me out on issues that don’t even exist (forearm size for powerlifting? Glad that really comes into play) while you cant even look at your own and see yourself for what you are
Youre a sad delusional man"
EDIT: As well If youre looking at the pictures in my hub in the photos theyre over 2 years old so if that’s what youre going off of youre a little behind the times Pal[/quote]
I expected to see betted forearms from gripping big weights. Lets be clear on something Pat,you attacked me,you were angry about some supposed thing I thought about gear. Then you proceeded to shit all over me. When you get to my size you can diet down and be,well, anyway… Lets just drop it please
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I attacked you because of your absolute ignorance. Multiple people have stated that you clearly aren’t as big/strong as you think you are, but you are under some delusion that you are correct and everyone else is wrong. Then when someone tried to criticize your physique, you told them that they cannot because they are on gear and therefore aren’t qualified to for some ignorant reason. That’s why you’ve been getting attacked.
Also, I don’t think I or anyone else wants to get to “your size”.
Stu, on lifting as fast as possible. I think this theory developed because all my lifts are compound, and the majority have a ballistic component. So we could order lifts by how relevant the theory is. Could you (or anyone else) comment?
One Arm Snatch, Power Cleans, Double Dumbbell Swings, & Push Press
There’s also the impracticality of measuring and carrying out a given tempo. I train alone. Trying to count in my head will distract me from lifting… and time perception might warp anyway.
There could be scope for playing with tempo on returning the bar to the floor. I lower from overhead to the shoulder, then the waist, before dropping. The eccentric to the shoulder is most controllable, and I lower the weight this way for one hand lifts as well, to get extra pressing in on not-my-press-days. At the moment the eccentric is simply fast as poss whilst under control. I use deadstop at the ends of ROM, and during the lowering stages. They are an arbitrary length of time. Stopping at the top is longest as I believe (and Greg Everett recommends) it has transfer to lockout ability. It also convinces the audience that the lift was successful. See video below for how I do the stops and eccentric…
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]MinotaurXXX wrote:
[quote]confusion wrote:
what are a few of the ingeresting posts? I agree btw[/quote]
In no particular order:
OP’s manifesto, however misguided, was an interesting insight into how another lifter forms his opinions.
Up to this point, never knew what a bent press was (not that I plan on trying it anytime soon) and now I do thanks to that little tangent.
T3hPwnisher’s leg routine, which I just might tweak to fit my particular goals. [/quote]
Glad you and a few other folks enjoyed that. Just something I came up with one day to challenge myself that ended up being a pretty effective protocol. For those that want to make it more a challenge vs a program, you can always keep stripping plates and going AMRAP/half until you hit the bar. Should be fun, haha.
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Yea thanks for that, I’m going to take a crack at it this week
As for speed and tempo, you might get different answers depending on your goals. If you are striclty trying to build power and strength, ALWAYS do the concentric part of the lift as fast as possible. As for the eccentric, maintain a controlled pace. If you are strictly trying for hypertrophy, some may advocate a slower tempo on both eccentric and concentric to maximize a longer TUT.
Movements such as the snatch, and C&J are meant to be explosive. But even in the squat, have a controlled (but not necessarily slow) eccentric, and explode out of the hole. Even if you add a pause at the bottom, once you start the up portion, do it as fast as possible.
Thanks Ecchastang. Power and strength are important to me. Your suggestions on squatting matches what I do. I favour the stop at the bottom, hammies touching calves, and love the following DRIVE up. I use the stop to determine progress, I see no value in progressing if I can’t rise from a dead stop.
At the moment I’m not squat cleaning, my power cleans are good enough. But when I do I’ll change my squat technique when cleaning because I believe the bar will drive me down fast, and bouncing out will conserve energy for the overhead portion.
I’m gonna stop eating and start bent pressing so I get strong.
