[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
…you would think someone at your age would understand this…
[/quote]
Ohhh, you’re milkin’ this one for all you got… LOL…[/quote]
ahahaahahahahaahahaahaha
Well you big fucker I have to…give me my small victories.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
If you’re lively hood doesn’t depend on it, I just don’t see the point of AAS use. [/quote]
I could say the same thing about sports cars. If you don’t race professionally, why drive a sports car (or bike)?
If you don’t play guitar professionally, why do you need a vintage Les Paul and Marshall amp?
If your livelyhood doesn’t depend on it, why go fishing with pro-level equipment and boats?
Next thing is someone is going to tell me “You don’t need all that money”… oh… wait, nevermind.
Why get a new pair of bolt on titties if your livelyhood doesn’t depend on it?
I swear the attitude on these boards is bullshit. If someone wants Vitamin T, they should have access to it. Some douchebags (both sides) in DC fucked it up for everyone.
If I want to take a ‘supplement’ that makes my body huge, I’m not seeing who the victim is here.
If you want to go chop off my penis (or get one attached), and take hormones to change your gender, you’re praised for your courage to express your true self. If you want to take a hormone to make your quads bigger, you’re shunned. Ri-fucking-diculous[/quote]
I understand the logic in your comparisons but the whole point is risk vs. reward. You would have to both qualify and quantify each for all comparisons in question to really play that game.
Wanna bet I can logically explain to you that the sky is not blue? Let’s keep apples to apples.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[/quote]
Ok. Fine.
I like apples.
If it was up to me every men women and teenager over 21 would be taking a daily dose of test. Okay, maybe not women, because I like them when they look like women.
What boils me up in these discussions are people saying “you don’t need steroids”. Sure you don’t need it, you don’t need to smoke pot either, but a shitload of people do it simply to get high, you also don’t need to do coke, but people do it. Drinking ? Buying a BMW ? Being Batman ? Drinking water ? Having sex ? Nope, don’t need to do it.
So don’t use the “you don’t need to, unless” argument people, please. People are free to do whatever they want to do, there are consequences, but there shouldn’t be a point to everything.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[/quote]
Ok. Fine.
I like apples.[/quote]
Cocaine high vs. extra inch on arms = debateable reward value.
Metered hit vs. injecting thousands of times more testosterone than natural in your body with no labwork, no monitered bio-feedback loops (correct terminology?) and no way to meet potential side effects head on until they are happening = greater safety for cocaine.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[/quote]
Ok. Fine.
I like apples.[/quote]
Cocaine high vs. extra inch on arms = debateable reward value.
Metered hit vs. injecting thousands of times more testosterone than natural in your body with no labwork, no monitered bio-feedback loops (correct terminology?) and no way to meet potential side effects head on until they are happening = greater safety for cocaine.[/quote]
Are you talking use or abuse, HG? Because i’m just speaking of the average user of either.
The average test cycle wouldn’t typically have very many side effects and the ones that do pop up, are generally mild.
How many people have died from a test overdose?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[/quote]
Ok. Fine.
I like apples.[/quote]
Cocaine high vs. extra inch on arms = debateable reward value.
Metered hit vs. injecting thousands of times more testosterone than natural in your body with no labwork, no monitered bio-feedback loops (correct terminology?) and no way to meet potential side effects head on until they are happening = greater safety for cocaine.[/quote]
Are you talking use or abuse, HG? Because i’m just speaking of the average user of either.
The average test cycle wouldn’t typically have very many side effects and the ones that do pop up, are generally mild.
How many people have died from a test overdose?
[/quote]
If we are discussing moderate use, how many people have died from a cocaine overdose?
Worst case a nose bleed in moderation.
Steroids, who knows. Nobody, if not doctor administered and monitored. And that is the problem. Each individual has a slightly different physiology and what may be just fine for one can absolutely cause bitch tits and baldness for another, even in moderation.
Actual medical folk feel free to weigh in.
Balls to the wall use both are horrible but the cocaine will be more fun for sure.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Is it vanity? Maybe… I wouldn’t be surprised. I can’t even really describe why I want “it” so bad, I just do. I suppose I’m vain. I dont’ really have a problem with that, though, haha.
And yeah, lol, a whole lot of us are fucking retarded for dong to ourselves what we do. There was a thread about this a couple weeks ago. I mean I ‘enjoy’ this, but it is a bitch. I mean, I drive myself into the fucking ground, drop a nut and nearly pass out for one more fucking rep, just one, or 10 more lbs on the bar.
Is that even sane? Doubt it, lol. But I know it feels right to do it.
[/quote]
This is one of the most truthful and well felt explanations for our hobby that I have ever read.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[/quote]
Ok. Fine.
I like apples.[/quote]
Cocaine high vs. extra inch on arms = debateable reward value.
Metered hit vs. injecting thousands of times more testosterone than natural in your body with no labwork, no monitered bio-feedback loops (correct terminology?) and no way to meet potential side effects head on until they are happening = greater safety for cocaine.[/quote]
Are you talking use or abuse, HG? Because i’m just speaking of the average user of either.
The average test cycle wouldn’t typically have very many side effects and the ones that do pop up, are generally mild.
How many people have died from a test overdose?
[/quote]
If we are discussing moderate use, how many people have died from a cocaine overdose?
Worst case a nose bleed in moderation.
Steroids, who knows. Nobody, if not doctor administered and monitored. And that is the problem. Each individual has a slightly different physiology and what may be just fine for one can absolutely cause bitch tits and baldness for another, even in moderation.
Actual medical folk feel free to weigh in.
Balls to the wall use both are horrible but the cocaine will be more fun for sure.
[/quote]
Ok, moderate use then. Nobody has died from moderate coke useage? I’d be willing to bet that there has been.
What my point was going to be, originally, was that you have a pretty cavalier attitude towards rec/illegal drug use. And yet, when it comes to steroids, you want to be responsible and even go through a doctor IF you decide to ever go that route.
Do you not see the hypocrisy?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
I suppose ultimately it depends on the value placed on muscle size and strength. I personally just find it silly that some one would be so vain, not an attack, that they would honestly risk wrecking their bodies to get a few more inches or 50 more lbs. when their efforts don’t take them anywhere other than in front of their own mirror. It’s not like they have to be the biggest man on the line, have the best bicep peak to win a sponsorship et cetera. [/quote]
You also don’t need the biggest house, the flashiest car, or the latest outfit. These are vanities…but these are vanities that people partake in daily and glorify.
The attention to bodybuilding as if that is more shallow than spending money on shiny rims makes no sense at all.
Vain? yes. What the hell is wrong with that?
No offense, but someone could make that argument about any of us who have built ourselves to any point that would be considered extreme whether they used steroids or not. I don’t NEED 20" arms to do my job.
Luckily my job does not define me.
Your stance is one of those who has never been all that big and never actually lived the lifestyle.
I LOVE making changes in my physique and weight lifting. It is something I am passionate about. I wouldn’t expect a normal person to understand why I’m still working on muscle mass. They thought I was big 2 years after I started.
Now, I know you are aiming that st steroid users, but again, most of the risks you probably think you know about are likely not completely true…and many of these top pros do go to doctors regularly…so what is the issue?
Bodybuilders…the guys who are the real gym rats…are not normal and never have been.
They also usually don’t want to be.[/quote]
I hear what you are saying but it still boils down to risk vs. reward, I would lump bodybuilders in the category that steroid use can manifest an outcome with meaning in competition. We don’t disagree.[/quote]
Do you drink, smoke, or do recreational drugs such as coke?
I’d say the risk vs reward is significantly higher for those who do these, than for the average steroid user.
[/quote]I would say let’s place qualifiable values on rewards. Listen, I’m not bashing. To each his own value. Just keep that in mind and I’m happy to have a real debate.
[/quote]
Ok. Fine.
I like apples.[/quote]
Cocaine high vs. extra inch on arms = debateable reward value.
Metered hit vs. injecting thousands of times more testosterone than natural in your body with no labwork, no monitered bio-feedback loops (correct terminology?) and no way to meet potential side effects head on until they are happening = greater safety for cocaine.[/quote]
Are you talking use or abuse, HG? Because i’m just speaking of the average user of either.
The average test cycle wouldn’t typically have very many side effects and the ones that do pop up, are generally mild.
How many people have died from a test overdose?
[/quote]
If we are discussing moderate use, how many people have died from a cocaine overdose?
Worst case a nose bleed in moderation.
Steroids, who knows. Nobody, if not doctor administered and monitored. And that is the problem. Each individual has a slightly different physiology and what may be just fine for one can absolutely cause bitch tits and baldness for another, even in moderation.
Actual medical folk feel free to weigh in.
Balls to the wall use both are horrible but the cocaine will be more fun for sure.
[/quote]
Ok, moderate use then. Nobody has died from moderate coke useage? I’d be willing to bet that there has been.
What my point was going to be, originally, was that you have a pretty cavalier attitude towards rec/illegal drug use. And yet, when it comes to steroids, you want to be responsible and even go through a doctor IF you decide to ever go that route.
Do you not see the hypocrisy?[/quote]
The fallacy is that the reward for one is greater than the other in the individuals mind and not universally. My point was that in my opinion with out a contract of some sort based on muscles or strength, the value of juicing is nil. In my mind the risk > the value. I can bust ass a little longer, eat a little more, drink a little less and put the same muscle on as I can with moderate AAS use, which we are discussing. Extreme use still another story.
If it’s a struggle against self to grow, juice just helps you cut corners. Not bashing but for me it’s like playing the dreaded video games with cheat codes. Lots of people play with cheat codes but it cheapens the value for sure.
Ultimately, cocaine can be dangerous and who knows, maybe I will overdose one day on a bad cut or something. The value though is a high that I love, even if only occassionally. I’m not using it to satisfy any short fall, fill a void, get anywhere faster (ok well maybe this one) et cetera. I am getting high.
Apples to oranges.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
If it was up to me every men women and teenager over 21 would be taking a daily dose of test. Okay, maybe not women, because I like them when they look like women.
What boils me up in these discussions are people saying “you don’t need steroids”. Sure you don’t need it, you don’t need to smoke pot either, but a shitload of people do it simply to get high, you also don’t need to do coke, but people do it. Drinking ? Buying a BMW ? Being Batman ? Drinking water ? Having sex ? Nope, don’t need to do it.
So don’t use the “you don’t need to, unless” argument people, please. People are free to do whatever they want to do, there are consequences, but there shouldn’t be a point to everything.[/quote]
risk vs. value seems to be lost over every single head.
As a general comment, there is no bashing going on. No knee jerk reactions necessary.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
If it was up to me every men women and teenager over 21 would be taking a daily dose of test. Okay, maybe not women, because I like them when they look like women.
What boils me up in these discussions are people saying “you don’t need steroids”. Sure you don’t need it, you don’t need to smoke pot either, but a shitload of people do it simply to get high, you also don’t need to do coke, but people do it. Drinking ? Buying a BMW ? Being Batman ? Drinking water ? Having sex ? Nope, don’t need to do it.
So don’t use the “you don’t need to, unless” argument people, please. People are free to do whatever they want to do, there are consequences, but there shouldn’t be a point to everything.[/quote]
risk vs. value seems to be lost over every single head.
As a general comment, there is no bashing going on. No knee jerk reactions necessary.[/quote]
value is subjective, end of debate
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
If it was up to me every men women and teenager over 21 would be taking a daily dose of test. Okay, maybe not women, because I like them when they look like women.
What boils me up in these discussions are people saying “you don’t need steroids”. Sure you don’t need it, you don’t need to smoke pot either, but a shitload of people do it simply to get high, you also don’t need to do coke, but people do it. Drinking ? Buying a BMW ? Being Batman ? Drinking water ? Having sex ? Nope, don’t need to do it.
So don’t use the “you don’t need to, unless” argument people, please. People are free to do whatever they want to do, there are consequences, but there shouldn’t be a point to everything.[/quote]
risk vs. value seems to be lost over every single head.
As a general comment, there is no bashing going on. No knee jerk reactions necessary.[/quote]
No, I understand the risk vs reward statement.
Most guys who take test feel pretty fucking good most of the time. Especially, the older crowd.
Do you know the health benefits of test?
What are the benefits of coke? How long does the wonderful feeling last?
Which one actually adds to the quality of life?
HG, I have to ask you what’s considered a “moderate” use of coke…
Gram or two a week?
I’ve done my share of coke and been around plenty of people who did the extremes; but i don’t have any idea what “moderate” coke useage would be.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
If it was up to me every men women and teenager over 21 would be taking a daily dose of test. Okay, maybe not women, because I like them when they look like women.
What boils me up in these discussions are people saying “you don’t need steroids”. Sure you don’t need it, you don’t need to smoke pot either, but a shitload of people do it simply to get high, you also don’t need to do coke, but people do it. Drinking ? Buying a BMW ? Being Batman ? Drinking water ? Having sex ? Nope, don’t need to do it.
So don’t use the “you don’t need to, unless” argument people, please. People are free to do whatever they want to do, there are consequences, but there shouldn’t be a point to everything.[/quote]
risk vs. value seems to be lost over every single head.
As a general comment, there is no bashing going on. No knee jerk reactions necessary.[/quote]
No, I understand the risk vs reward statement.
Most guys who take test feel pretty fucking good most of the time. Especially, the older crowd.
Do you know the health benefits of test?
What are the benefits of coke? How long does the wonderful feeling last?
Which one actually adds to the quality of life?[/quote]
That snark was not for you. You know I would marry you. If we are discussing medicinal use now I agree with you. Have since my first post in the thread. It was my understanding we were discussing illicit use to push gains for a literally empty value.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
HG, I have to ask you what’s considered a “moderate” use of coke…
Gram or two a week? [/quote]
More like a few bumps every few weekends. A weekend binge with soon to be found out dog fucking, heavily tatted, porn star bodied, Misfit loving bitches would be a couple grams. Doesn’t happen often. Why?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
If it was up to me every men women and teenager over 21 would be taking a daily dose of test. Okay, maybe not women, because I like them when they look like women.
What boils me up in these discussions are people saying “you don’t need steroids”. Sure you don’t need it, you don’t need to smoke pot either, but a shitload of people do it simply to get high, you also don’t need to do coke, but people do it. Drinking ? Buying a BMW ? Being Batman ? Drinking water ? Having sex ? Nope, don’t need to do it.
So don’t use the “you don’t need to, unless” argument people, please. People are free to do whatever they want to do, there are consequences, but there shouldn’t be a point to everything.[/quote]
risk vs. value seems to be lost over every single head.
As a general comment, there is no bashing going on. No knee jerk reactions necessary.[/quote]
No, I understand the risk vs reward statement.
Most guys who take test feel pretty fucking good most of the time. Especially, the older crowd.
Do you know the health benefits of test?
What are the benefits of coke? How long does the wonderful feeling last?
Which one actually adds to the quality of life?[/quote]
That snark was not for you. You know I would marry you. If we are discussing medicinal use now I agree with you. Have since my first post in the thread. It was my understanding we were discussing illicit use to push gains for a literally empty value.[/quote]
“risk vs. value seems to be lost over every single head”
You do know that steroids have a psychological effect on people, also, right? They do more than JUST build muscle.
Hormones in general have a profound effect on the mind. Both good and bad.
Furthermore, I always figured you had some personal insight in to me. You pull my card when you want to. The dinosaurs and bb guns proved it. I will debate my way out of a black hole though. Below board or above.