[quote]dagill2 wrote:
While we wait for Jarvan to post so we can all stroke our egos by shitting on him, anyone care to read the article and comment?[/quote]
With that said. I’m done as well.
TL;DR
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
Just because it pissed me off so much - does Rippetoe seriously think adding 20lbs to a climber to make him squat heavier will improve his climbing? He should really have a conversation with Mark Twight about that.[/quote]
I can assure you that adding weight, even if mostly muscle weight, negatively affects climbing. I peaked in my climbing at a bodyweight of 142 in the spring of 2012. That is the lightest I have ever weighed as an adult. I weigh 162 now, and am much stronger all the way around, but my climbing is down a couple grades. [/quote]
Exactly. I’m not a climber myself (I climb a few times a year at best) but all my friends who are tell me that getting heavier, even if it’s pure muscle, makes it harder. Rippetoe is just trying to sell his “barbell training makes everyone better” dogma.[/quote]
I definitely agree he took a hard left turn with that example and I was thrown off. Bodyweight always needs to be a consideration when we’re dealing with relative strength athletes/weight class athletes.
So for sure there is such thing as “too much muscle” for some athletes, even if it’s built with little to no effect on conditioning or skills. Just like there is such thing as “too strong” for some athletes. A 180-pound grappler who push presses, say, 225x5 won’t benefit much by getting that up to 275x5. A 165-pound climber who can deadlift 500 won’t benefit much by working towards 600. Identifying those fine lines is tricky, but that’s part of a S&C coach’s job.
The key point I would’ve liked Rip to have really driven home is the emphasis on using strength training to improve overall performance by avoiding a basic strength deficiency. I liked his line, “The weaker you are, the more radically important [general strength improvement] is for you to do.” Makes sense.
If we have a 165-pound fighter who’s only strong enough to front squat 115x3, bringing his front squat up to something like 185x6 (and other lifts accordingly) will improve his overall performance in the ring/cage. A beginner lifter should be able to build that strength increase without adding a ton of size (which is what we’re after in this example, since we’re still talking weight class athletes).
EDIT: tweaked the above example to avoid overfocusing on “the squat”.[/quote]
Good night, and dagill2, your passive aggressiveness is frightening.
