Thinking About Clen/T3

Pharma
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OK… so this summer during my summer cycle, i intend to do a 12 weeker, which is going to look not dis-similar to this…

1-12 Test Cyp 250mg E3D
1-10 Yellow cap Deca 200mg wkly
6-12 Proviron 50mg
1-12 Letro 0.25-0.5mg ED
PCT = 6wk stasis Test Taper.

It isnt finalised, and give your opinions too, but it isnt the point really, the point is, i am gonna lean up a little during this one.
So to the question, i am looking at using clen, or T3 to help me tighten up, i will be eating less, similar to the V diet is it? mostly shakes and flax and fibre and supps etc…? But i want something to speed things along slightly.

Now the issue, i am sensitive to stimulants, caffeine i take all day - nothing, but give me NO-Explode or some shit then i feel shaky and weak and cannot train.
I used to abuse stimulants hardcore and maybe it is from that…
I tried ephidrene and it just made me feel like shit, weak, cold, shaky, and couldnt train for it.

When i used clen in the past, i got upto a mere 50mcg and didnt notice any sides at all, except a crippling panic attack, which i am to this day not sure if it was the clen or “something else” which it could have been at that time…

What do you think? Is T3 too hardcore for me? will i just not like it, or can you do it with a low side effect free dose and get results…
Also clen which i am willing to try again, if i build up real slowly, 10mcg ED with increase weekly of 10mcg, then what is a good dose to settle at that wont be too harsh, and give me some results (I am not FFB or FB or anything, MAX~15%) maybe 60mcg? and what dosing schedule has worked for someone sensitive to stims, 5on 2off or steady dosing schedule?.. what?

Thanks in advance!!

JB

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I do not know much about the effects that these stims will have on you with gear,but without heres my opinion.

If you are that sensitive to them and ephedrine made you feel that bad then I would obviously stay away from that.
if you have taken clen before and had no sides except the panic attacks,try to think will these be worse while on cycle?
I wont comment on t-3 because frankly I know nothing about this.

I do know with clen you can take smaller dosages and because of its long half life you will still get effects,maybe not as if you took 50mcg but you can still take say 15-20mcg a day and still have the fat burning effects as it is “built up”

I would suggest before your cycle testing out the ammount of clen you can take before you get the sides you mentioned and cap it at noty much higher than that.

eg: you feel crappy at 30mcg ed when your off cycle I would then cap my use at around 25mcg and work up if you feel alright.

mine would look like this about 7 days to work up to that cap
10/10/15/15/20/20/25 hold at 25mcg for how ever long then do 7 days down opposite
I have personally never gone above 30 mcg and I am very tollerant to stims
those numbers are just examples though remember.

also I have done steady dosing for 3 weeks on 3 weeks off
I am thinking that you would do well to taper up then stay. for a week then taper down.

also benedryl works well once you start to feel your self geting too used to the clen as it “cleans” the receptors.

you can always build yourself up the way I mentioned but instead of every day you increase every few days like you mentioned the 10mcg a week increase.

with that you could proabally stay on the clen for the whole 12 weeks but basicly taper up for 4 weeks stay steady for 4 weeks and then taper down the other 4 weeks.

and really 60mcg IMO is alot I dont really thing you need that,however there have been people tha ttake as much with no ill effects
b

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If ephedrine makes you feel like shit, clen will be 5 time worse.

The half life of clen is about 36 hours, and much more potent than ephedra.

T3 should only be used by advanced BBers who already have extremely low BF. The potential for permanent damage to your thyroid is very real.

I would not use either one if your goal is to “speed things along slightly”.

IF you want to tighten up - dump the proviron and replace it with masteron.

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Really Rain?

Please can you explain why in regards to the proviron and Mast? I was under the impression that apart from the anabolic effect of masteron (mild) then it had the same effect in all the other ways proviron does (SHBG, Dry look in low BF - is mast an AI also??)

I do tend to think you are right though, with the fat burners, i am lucky in my natural ability to metabolise fat with a little concentrated effort… for a summer look, it is not necessary.
However when i need to get as low as possible, next year possibly, which would be the lesser of the 2 evils for me, (or something else, an OTC maybe?) in your opinion?
I could go with a lower dose ephedra, to speed my metabolism in the final stages of the diet, and just suck up the weak, shaky feeling (and shrunk cock!) and push through it…?

Joe

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Fuck a shake diet on AAS.

No offense, but I think you’ll be happier and probably more effective if you just manipulate your diet properly and enjoy the glory of fasted cardio. Throw in a low dose of E if you feel your metabolism is slowing, but really this is overplayed and it takes ALOT of extreme calorie restriction to really slow the metabolism.

Understand that alot of the studies I’ve read on weight loss, metabolism, etc etc, the groups are eating sub 1000kcal PER DAY!?!? That being said, I think if you pay attention to the right factors, your metabolism will be fine, and like you said, you easily metabolise fat.

If the compounds make you feel like shit, I’d see how far you can get without them first. Like before next year or whenever you have to get super shredded. Pre-contest is the last time you want to START experimenting and figuring out what works for you as far as getting real lean goes.

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I agree… it is why i am going to get to grips this summer, i never EVER needed to before, but i have put on a little more fat than usual this time, so why not.

From what you all are saying, it is what i was saying inside too! Dont be so fucking lazy!! Just do it! ye?

I didn’t explain the diet fully, i am not going on the V Diet full whack… But i am restricting carbs, with a higher carb day every week/weekend to increase my sensitivity, i mention the shakes as i will be eating alot of chicken, tuna, oily feesh, TONS OF SHAKES! lol, flax oil, seeds, veggies…

and probably using fruit for my carb source, it has fibre that slows it down shitloads and i really love apples and bananas, so if i left them out i would struggle. I will be using 50% of carbs peri-workout, and the rest earlier in the day rather than later. Weekend is not splurge, but higher carb.

On a diet like this, trust me, i know my body, i could (with the correct manipulation of calories and carbs) get RIGHT down with this method i reckon. From 5 days low carb and 2 days high, right down to a lower calorie, 6 or 7 days lower carb and 1 day mod/high carb. Oh, plus fasted cardio, of course!

Better?

Kinda off topic but…

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wouldn’t deca be a contradiction of a cutting cycle…unless using the short estered version Nandrolone Phenylpropionate? is that what the “yellow cap deca” is?

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[quote]Joe Brook wrote:
I agree… it is why i am going to get to grips this summer, i never EVER needed to before, but i have put on a little more fat than usual this time, so why not.

From what you all are saying, it is what i was saying inside too! Dont be so fucking lazy!! Just do it! ye?

I didn’t explain the diet fully, i am not going on the V Diet full whack… But i am restricting carbs, with a higher carb day every week/weekend to increase my sensitivity, i mention the shakes as i will be eating alot of chicken, tuna, oily feesh, TONS OF SHAKES! lol, flax oil, seeds, veggies… and probably using fruit for my carb source, it has fibre that slows it down shitloads and i really love apples and bananas, so if i left them out i would struggle. I will be using 50% of carbs peri-workout, and the rest earlier in the day rather than later. Weekend is not splurge, but higher carb.

On a diet like this, trust me, i know my body, i could (with the correct manipulation of calories and carbs) get RIGHT down with this method i reckon. From 5 days low carb and 2 days high, right down to a lower calorie, 6 or 7 days lower carb and 1 day mod/high carb. Oh, plus fasted cardio, of course!

Better?

Kinda off topic but…[/quote]

Well good on ya. Thats basically waht I’m doing right now, except one high carb day as I’m trying to get the leanest I’ve ever been (I’ve never been anywhere near single digits, I used to be real fat).

Lots of chicken, fish, olive oil, walnut oil, fiberous veggies and such during the week to really induce ketosis. Then one day low fat, high carb to fill up the glycogen stores. Last couple weeks my progress has stalled.

And this week I finally bit the bullet to stop be lazy and making excuses (like hmm my metabolism has slowed, yes I was making that one) and started hittin’ the cardio hard again.

Guess what, I made more progress this week than the last 3-4 combined. Sometimes just gotta take say “dammit stop being lazy”; like you said, I was telling myself inside the whole time what I had to do. My laziness just didn’t want me to admit it.

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Good luck.

Edit: Yeh sorry for draggin’ this thread so off topic.

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I think any mention of the fucking piece of shit V-Diet should be banned form this forum.

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Bet your post gets deleted in any other forum RJ.

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Bet your post gets deleted in any other forum RJ.[/quote]

What are the odds that one of the pantie wasted fat fucks who think the V-Diet is the next coming of Jesus Christ will even come in here?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
GetSwole wrote:
Bet your post gets deleted in any other forum RJ.

What are the odds that one of the pantie wasted fat fucks who think the V-Diet is the next coming of Jesus Christ will even come in here?

[/quote]

ROFL.
I wish I knew you in person.

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I’m going to have to agree with RJ here. The fucking V diet makes me want to puke. There is redeeming factor about it though-- more food for me at the store because some pansy is too busy down shakes all day long.

Good luck with the clen bud, some folks can handle it and some cant. I would recommend starting as low as 20mcg and then increased 20mcg per day, until you get around to 120 or 140. That’s worked marvelous for me and some of my trainees.

Assuming it’s liquid clen, I would suggest investing in some insulin syringes so that you can get a very precise measurement, as opposed to just using the dropper it comes with. Just don’t stick yourself in the tongue!!!

World

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
Assuming it’s liquid clen, I would suggest investing in some insulin syringes so that you can get a very precise measurement, as opposed to just using the dropper it comes with. Just don’t stick yourself in the tongue!!!
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You are aware that you can purchase slin barrels without the needle attached, right?

Leave it to a jarhead to make taking clen a mission. lol.