i am gona do a 10 week cutting cycle and need some help… this is what its gona look like… i am 230lbs 6"1 my goal is to loose body fat and keep my muscle while i diet…
100mg tren ace eod
100mg test prop eod
50mg oral winny ed
for the last 5 weeks i am gona use liq clen
my ??? are
would it be wise to use an anti e?? and if so what one would be best?? and at what dose??
and while on clen should i take benadryl every night befor bed…or is that a once a week deal??
5 weeks of clen is pretty much pointless.
Your going to downgrade the receptors by week 2 or 3, and no amount of benadryll can keep them kicking for 5 weeks.
You need to do a little more research into clen cycles and bendryll usage (its every night btw).
As an anti E I would recommend your AI of choice.
Adex is probably the most popular, letro is the most effective.
I would say adex is sufficient at your doses.
tren ace should be shot ED not EOD it will keep more stable blood levels, and if youre gonna do that might as well shoot the test p ED as well…
wk1-10 tren ace 50mg/ED
wk1-10 test p 50mg/ED
6’1" and 230lbs.
What is bodyfat%?
I am not good with height/weight conversions being a short arse - but it should be around 15% or so shouldnt it?
That would make you (at a guess) ~200lbs LBM and that isnt great for your height. Any fatter and you will be flamed i am sure, as that will make your LBM very small.
How many cycles you done? I assume a couple at least as it is an ‘OK’ constructed cycle.
How old are you mate?
I would suggest you tell us how you intend to drop this unknown amount of fat - what kind of diet, how much of a deficit will you be running on including all exercise and food restrictions ie.
How much extra exercise.
What your BMR is now.
What maintenance caloric expenditure is now. By what percent you’ll reduce caloric intake and how you will progress from that.
How long will it take to reach your goal. What is your goal? Specifically i mean.
THEN what if any stims you intend to use and if that is straight away or after you plateau. Then what anabolics and why you chose the ones you did - for the dry quality to be seen at 4% or because they are what one uses for ‘cutting’ for cutting sakes?
Sorry to be harsh… i find your post lacking, i think you are asking the wrong questions is all. 
Brook
[quote] Brook wrote:
I would suggest you tell us how you intend to drop this unknown amount of fat - what kind of diet, how much of a deficit will you be running on including all exercise and food restrictions ie.
How much extra exercise.
What your BMR is now.
What maintenance caloric expenditure is now. By what percent you’ll reduce caloric intake and how you will progress from that.
How long will it take to reach your goal. What is your goal? Specifically i mean.
Brook[/quote]
what are you talkin about doode, these are the cuttin roids you take them and the fat falls off and you get ripped! Whats all this diet shit you’re talkin about?? get a clue mayne 
should i go longer than 5 weeks on the clen or shorter??? and does liquidex work well…at 1mg/ml??
1mg/ml is the standard concentration for Adex. Dosage can vary between 0.25mg EOD to 0.5mg/d depending on your particular physiology. Try starting at 0.25mg/d and adjust down if you get achy joints and adjust up if you get sensitive nipples or a blood lab that indicates higher than 22pg/ml.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
tren ace should be shot ED not EOD it will keep more stable blood levels, and if youre gonna do that might as well shoot the test p ED as well…
wk1-10 tren ace 50mg/ED
wk1-10 test p 50mg/ED
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I’d also bump the test or drop the tren and make sure to run a ratio that has test higher than the tren.
like (test prop 75mg ed and tren ace 50mg ed) or (prop 50mg tren 30mg, etc.)
I think the winny can be saved for later…imo while the tren is in your system the positives from the winny won’t necessarily be seen ime.
DG
[quote]Game_over wrote:
Brook wrote:
I would suggest you tell us how you intend to drop this unknown amount of fat - what kind of diet, how much of a deficit will you be running on including all exercise and food restrictions ie.
How much extra exercise.
What your BMR is now.
What maintenance caloric expenditure is now. By what percent you’ll reduce caloric intake and how you will progress from that.
How long will it take to reach your goal. What is your goal? Specifically i mean.
Brook
what are you talkin about doode, these are the cuttin roids you take them and the fat falls off and you get ripped! Whats all this diet shit you’re talkin about?? get a clue mayne ;)[/quote]
The funniest thing is - He fucking ignored me! lololol!
Oh well… ‘live and…’ um… what was it…? ;D
[quote] Brook wrote:
Game_over wrote:
Brook wrote:
I would suggest you tell us how you intend to drop this unknown amount of fat - what kind of diet, how much of a deficit will you be running on including all exercise and food restrictions ie.
How much extra exercise.
What your BMR is now.
What maintenance caloric expenditure is now. By what percent you’ll reduce caloric intake and how you will progress from that.
How long will it take to reach your goal. What is your goal? Specifically i mean.
Brook
what are you talkin about doode, these are the cuttin roids you take them and the fat falls off and you get ripped! Whats all this diet shit you’re talkin about?? get a clue mayne
The funniest thing is - He fucking ignored me! lololol!
Oh well… ‘live and…’ um… what was it…? ;D[/quote]
I believe its “live and…hit people in the face with a ballpin hammer”
[quote]moormanD wrote:
should i go longer than 5 weeks on the clen or shorter??? and does liquidex work well…at 1mg/ml??[/quote]
No receptors cannot maintain themselves that long. In week three take in 50 mg of diphenhydramine before bed. Then use ECA or T3 to bridge to another 2 week on clenb. YOU MUST RUN A CALORIE DEFECEIT AND DO INTENSE CARDIO TO SEE ANY RESULTS WITH CLENB FYI
props to those who already posted information, felt i should reiterate since hes obviously not reading (or ignoring) posts.
Have you considered running Test-E rather than Test Prop? 10 weeks is long enough that you should consider using Test-E instead…It will keep test levels more constant, even with fewer injections. And at the end you’ll want to taper anyway, and you get this for free with test-e (at least a quick taper, which is better than nothing)
i intend on dropping this weight by weight training 5 days a week monday legs-tuesday chest-wed arms…thursday shoulders-and friday back…mma training 5 days a week…and 3 days a week ice hockey…all i do for over an hour each day taking off sat and sunday…
my goal is to drop around 10 lbs…my diet will consist of salmon (wild) chicken breast(organic) oatmeal…almonds…brown rice…and yams…i will be eating every 3 hours…i will be taking in around 200-300 grams of protein ,the only carbs i am gona eat will be for breakfast and lunch.(i find this works best for me when dropping weight for my fights)…(i am a butcher so i have all fish and meat)
i eat about 2000 cal a day and iam gona drop it to 1200…
i have done about 3 cycles in the past when i was younger…i am 27 years old now…just wanted a little help with my cycle. thank you…
albeit it would appear you will be running a major calorie defeceit… make sure your still getting enough calories for your output levels… While on clen it shouldnt matter since that will change your metabolism to burn fat and youll have the extra cals but on your weeks off clen be careful… you dont want to go catabolic, although the use of anabolic substances may off set this… can anyone else shed light into this subject???
[quote]moormanD wrote:
i eat about 2000 cal a day and iam gona drop it to 1200[/quote]
6’1" 230lbs eating 1200 calories sounds kind of crazy. Have you done this in the past with sucess?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
moormanD wrote:
i eat about 2000 cal a day and iam gona drop it to 1200
6’1" 230lbs eating 1200 calories sounds kind of crazy. Have you done this in the past with sucess?[/quote]
6’1 230 lbs eating 2000 cals seems crazy, let alone 1200! Just my maintenance is around 5k. I think something is wrong here OP
low cal diets such as ones that drop to anywhere around the 1k mark (for anyone) are considered starvation and the body will simply NEED - by default - to lower the metabolism - how is this done OP?
Do you know?
When the body is forced to exist on low energy input, certain hormones are released… not only removing muscle but ensuring that body fat is stored - either once the body adapts to the intake, or when the ‘dieter’ increases his/her caloric consumption - as is always going to happen.
Starvation diets NEVER work. Not in the long term for general weight loss and not even in the short term for bodybuilding - as the idea is to lose fat but keep or sometimes - gain muscle.
Brook
[quote]swurvenm wrote:
moormanD wrote:
should i go longer than 5 weeks on the clen or shorter??? and does liquidex work well…at 1mg/ml??
No receptors cannot maintain themselves that long. In week three take in 50 mg of diphenhydramine before bed. Then use ECA or T3 to bridge to another 2 week on clenb. YOU MUST RUN A CALORIE DEFECEIT AND DO INTENSE CARDIO TO SEE ANY RESULTS WITH CLENB FYI
props to those who already posted information, felt i should reiterate since hes obviously not reading (or ignoring) posts.[/quote]
Yeah, the Clen is best ran at under 3 weeks and then take some time off and repeat, using Ephedrine as a bridge is a bit of a fallacy as it also downregulates (methylizes) the receptors, just a little less. I get good results with only taking a week off personally and running some Benedryl (di-phenylhydramine) for about 3 days of it, it also helps with sleep. MoormanD and I are about on the same page though, just a little different in protocol.