Thinking of adding clen into my cut at some point. I know the basic of proper nutrition and training so just need help with clen on how to run it.
How’s best to run this? 2days on / 2 days off
2 weeks on / 2 weeks off?
Dosages (amount)?
Taper up and down for dosages or just a constant dose?
Also I know clen will help create a bigger deficit but does it also have benefits of retaining muscle while on. Vs if you were to create such a big deficit naturally you might sacrifice some muscle etc.
From my perspective and what I did was to only use clenbuterol for a bodybuilding contest. It was a drug that allowed bodybuilders over 200lbs achieve the same levels of definition as those under 200lbs.
When I used clenbuterol we didn’t know much other than the human body down regulated the drugs ability to burn brown fat after 3 weeks. I don’t recall the dosage I used but I did take the same dose every day and stopped at 3 weeks, just prior to the contest.
When taking clenbuterol it seemed like the back of my neck felt warmer.
I clearly remember giving detailed answer to this question not too long ago. It can be found using Search function. Or you can wait until someone just re-writes one of his old answers for the 100th time.
Edit: OP I used the search function. Hundreds of topics created around clen and it’s uses. Lots of good reading and you owe it to yourself to read up on this chemical before use.
Thanks for the response yes I have done plenty reading. Just wanted to hear some other inputs and opinions, which I don’t see the harm in. Plus with continuous reading I seem to be being told one thing and another by the other the more I read.
Also, I read your point above on only take it when your nearly stage ready. Why only at this point?
What would the effects, advantages and disadvantages be if this was implemented say at around the 14/15% BF stage? Yes you can cut past that naturally but let’s say stuck on a time frame would this be suitable.
This is my opinion. I could get good definition without clenbuterol. The general public would say I was too cut. But clenbuterol gave me that little extra to place a position or two higher.
The advantage is you can burn a few extra calories a day (let’s say around 100 kcal). The disadvantage is that the mechanism that does this is increased cardiac loading. You are using a drug to make your heart beat faster so you can burn more calories.
The issue of doing this at 15% body fat is that fat loss isn’t that hard at 15%. 10 minutes of walking at an incline achieves the same thing. You are making your heart work harder in a way that isn’t good for it (unlike making it work harder though some cardio, which is good for it), for such a small payoff (100 kcal).
If you are using AAS, then you are already making your heart work harder. Personally, I want to make doing this reasonably safe. The risk vs reward doesn’t make sense to me for my goals (which is just to be sorta big, strong, and having visible abs).
I think this is the main point. Use Clen when you’re down to 8-9% but can’t get that last bit off before the contest.
I’ve used Clen as a fat guy and I got a lot of shakes and anxiety, some days couldn’t really workout, which was counter-productive. I have a bottle just waiting for me when I work down to Sub 10% lol
I cycled clen in the past and my muscles were cramping so badly I didn’t even want to work out.
If you aren’t competing - you don’t have any justifiable want or need for clen. Clen is to be used for getting unsustainably lean, which defaults to meaning you will put fat back on right after going off cycle. Not worth the trade off in health risks for temporary lean-ness.
Well from people I’ve spoken to in person have tried it at similar stages seem to have got good results with manageable short term sides and non long term.
Just trying to figure it all out.
One thing I’d still like to know is there any other benefits to using this other than creating a bigger deficit. Such as helping retain muscle mass.
I’ve heard that point mentioned but only a hand full of times
The long-term side effects are Heart Muscle Necrosis, so unless they’ve done actual organ scans, they have no idea what long-term sides they’ve suffered.
Slightly improved cardiovascular ability is the only added bonus (this was it’s original purpose in design). It does nothing to help retain muscle mass though. This also shouldn’t be of concern to you at ~15%+ BF. As long as you don’t diet like an asshole, you won’t lose muscle.
Not much was known about clenbuterol by me other than it helped burn the last little bit of fat for a contest. I was always on a good AAS cycle, and never considered clenbuterol would be any benefit in gaining or preserving muscle.
I don’t see why anyone not competing or doing this for a living (and financial gain) would put themselves through all the side effects clen carries when there are other approved, less dangerous and just as good alternatives for weight loss for 99.9% of amateur bodybuilders (namely Albuterol and caffeine combined).
I cannot comment on the effectiveness of combining Albuterol and caffeine. I knew nothing of it when I competed. I do understand that clenbuterol has risks. I NEVER used it until I got down to the low 6% bodyfat (skinfold test) to get into the 5’s. Just a little extra definition.
I would never recommend anyone take clenbuterol unless they were competing and have proven that they could get in contest condition without it. It is a fine tuning instrument.
There is no timeframe if you are not going for a stage and you are not close to being ready. What is the timeframe? A date? Some 10 people who will complement on you being a bit leaner? You know they actually dont care, right? WTF is a timeframe for someone doing his hobby in a gym?
Anyways, back to the point.
Clen wont make a noticable difference. It will help you when you are literally STUCK and all your options are already out.
The amount of fat that clen can burn is not big enough to deal with someones 15% fat ass. Just eat a burger less and get leaner.
Clen has some shitty sides and we dont really know what it does to the heart long term. It wont do shit for someone as fat as 15% but it will do all the harm tho.
Using clen on a fat ass is like using the finisher sandpaper on a super rough surface. You will use loads of it and the polishing you will get done wont be noticable. If used correctly it can enhance the look, but using it way too early can only result in harm.
Someone suggested this so i asked around, but i cant get it where i live, so no.
Why dont you just be honest with yourself and others and say that you suck at dieting and are looking for a shortcut, and now when people say there is none, you dont really want to take that answer?
I disagree with you on calling 15% a fat ass. Not true. But I will agree with you on this point. It is a short cut if done properly. Clen can be utilized if you have a contest or photoshoot approaching and need an extra bump. However, without a set timeframe, there is zero reason to abuse it.
Hahaha thanks for the response and the info it’s been helpful and answered some questions that I was really in sure of. Based off previous research I had looked up that lead to a range of different answers which left me puzzled.
Also really sorry for triggering you and obviously touching a nerve so hope this doesn’t bother you for too long.
As for time frame? Maybe wanting to be in shape for a certain date such as a holiday etc so yeah there is a time frame there. And you mentioned people don’t actually care how I look? I’m actually really gutted about that as that’s what I’ve been going the gym for to impress other people not that I go for my own self benefit or anything.
As for your point about time frame again is a bodybuilding show not part of a hobby so wtf is a time frame used there for a hobby.
As for you wanting me to just admit I suck at dieting without knowing anything about me just proves how judgmental you are. You must be a expert in dieting and have the best physique on the planet. Well done.
