Think You Are Big But Just Fat

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Obviously any of these numbers we come at aren’t exact, but it’s a very useful thing to look at.

googling Jim Cordova shows that my guesstimates are off for contest weight. Obviously offseason weight is not the most accurate thing to go by.
Height: 5?7?
Contest Weight: 170lbs.
Offseason Weight: 180-185lbs.

Again, I’m not looking for a genetic freak or what limits can be broken lol, we’re just looking at realistic numbers to strive for and stay grounded with as we progress. Using an example of a top athlete such as Jim Cordova (even if genetically he’s not in the top 1% or whatever) is more than a generous enough measuring stick for us to go by.

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
Obviously any of these numbers we come at aren’t exact, but it’s a very useful thing to look at.

googling Jim Cordova shows that my guesstimates are off for contest weight. Obviously offseason weight is not the most accurate thing to go by.
Height: 5?7?
Contest Weight: 170lbs.
Offseason Weight: 180-185lbs.

Again, I’m not looking for a genetic freak or what limits can be broken lol, we’re just looking at realistic numbers to strive for and stay grounded with as we progress. Using an example of a top athlete such as Jim Cordova (even if genetically he’s not in the top 1% or whatever) is more than a generous enough measuring stick for us to go by.
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I had no idea who Jim Cordova was. I am 5’7" and 185. I now know who Jim Cordova is and I now feel very very small. Thank you for this.

903

[quote]FattyFat wrote:
This thread is ridiculous.

If you’ve dieted down at least once, you’ll know what to look for and how to gauge your progress and your lbm-to-bf ratio best.

If you haven’t, you should get a DEXA scan.

If you’re big and think you’re not fat, the best way is to let average non-lifting people decide. They usually don’t care all that much for tree-trunk legs, boulder shoulders, big guns, bulging pecs, shapely glutes and a thick wide back: they just take a look at you and instantly decide if you’re fat or not. Of course, proportions and clothing can play a big role in making one look better or worse.

So, I sez, the best way to gauge your progress is to go swimming, mebbe prance a bit around (in a cool way, of course) and see how people react to your body. Are the boyz envious? Are the gals like “Wowsers! I bet he can break me in half and screw me six ways from sunday!” swoon

If you’ve got a lot of muscle mass and fat, you’re fat, no matter how athletic, muscular and strong you are (been there, done that).

I didn’t want to weigh in on the whole Professor X debate, but HeavyTriple was out of line guesstimating Professor X’s (do you have some other name, dude? You’re no professor, you’re a dentist.) bodyfat to be closer to 30 % than to 20 %. That’s kinda ridiculous: didn’t he recently provide a frontal body shot (not seriously flexed, afaik) where you could see some of his abs, rather little pec fat, semi-conditioned arms and delts? Came across as a whimpy sucker punch.

If I were Professor X and went to the trouble of actually providing photos to shut the naysayers up regarding the body fat allegations, I’d provide body shots in boxers in good lighting: frontal, back and side poses to get an appreciation of his body fat distribution and muscle mass.

If it were me, though, I’d trim down (I’m sure that body’d look much more impressive with less bodyfat) and not provide photos at all. Why try and convince strangers how big my dick is? People will always try to tell you you’ve got a shlort, now matter how gargantuan and sleek of a shlong you actually sport. And if you’re going out of your way to actually meet and show them your meat, they’ll cry “rape, rape”.

Here’s a few tiaras for all of you. And thanks for carrying this thread, all of you: it’s really entertaining.

  • FF, a hetero hunk in e-love with all of you.

  • I’m also way cooler than all of you combined (yes, I know that CT posted in here: his Quebecois accent takes away from his many cool points, but being a European and fluent in French, I might be a tad biased)

[/quote]

This post is awesome, my co workers are wondering what the hell I’m laughing so loudly at.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

So just to recap, you do NOT have a degree in genetics, correct?[/quote]

Never said I did. That is like saying you need a degree in “anatomy”. It is usually part of a larger degree unless specializing.[/quote]

Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat.

905

[quote]zraw wrote:

192 but shouldve been 205 (a 13 lbs screw up is mega huge… even with diuretics… imo?)

(not meant to shit on CT here, at all)
[/quote]

Yes with diuretics… got “help” for the peaking from a pretty well know coach in Quebec (wont say who for obvious reasons)… not a particularly good decision!

906

[quote]FattyFat wrote:

  • I’m also way cooler than all of you combined (yes, I know that CT posted in here: his Quebecois accent takes away from his many cool points, but being a European and fluent in French, I might be a tad biased)

[/quote]

So GSP isn’t cool I guess :slight_smile:

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[quote]FattyFat wrote:
This thread is ridiculous.

If you’ve dieted down at least once, you’ll know what to look for and how to gauge your progress and your lbm-to-bf ratio best.

If you haven’t, you should get a DEXA scan.

If you’re big and think you’re not fat, the best way is to let average non-lifting people decide. They usually don’t care all that much for tree-trunk legs, boulder shoulders, big guns, bulging pecs, shapely glutes and a thick wide back: they just take a look at you and instantly decide if you’re fat or not. Of course, proportions and clothing can play a big role in making one look better or worse.

So, I sez, the best way to gauge your progress is to go swimming, mebbe prance a bit around (in a cool way, of course) and see how people react to your body. Are the boyz envious? Are the gals like “Wowsers! I bet he can break me in half and screw me six ways from sunday!” swoon

If you’ve got a lot of muscle mass and fat, you’re fat, no matter how athletic, muscular and strong you are (been there, done that).

I didn’t want to weigh in on the whole Professor X debate, but HeavyTriple was out of line guesstimating Professor X’s (do you have some other name, dude? You’re no professor, you’re a dentist.) bodyfat to be closer to 30 % than to 20 %. That’s kinda ridiculous: didn’t he recently provide a frontal body shot (not seriously flexed, afaik) where you could see some of his abs, rather little pec fat, semi-conditioned arms and delts? Came across as a whimpy sucker punch.

If I were Professor X and went to the trouble of actually providing photos to shut the naysayers up regarding the body fat allegations, I’d provide body shots in boxers in good lighting: frontal, back and side poses to get an appreciation of his body fat distribution and muscle mass.

If it were me, though, I’d trim down (I’m sure that body’d look much more impressive with less bodyfat) and not provide photos at all. Why try and convince strangers how big my dick is? People will always try to tell you you’ve got a shlort, now matter how gargantuan and sleek of a shlong you actually sport. And if you’re going out of your way to actually meet and show them your meat, they’ll cry “rape, rape”.

Here’s a few tiaras for all of you. And thanks for carrying this thread, all of you: it’s really entertaining.

  • FF, a hetero hunk in e-love with all of you.

  • I’m also way cooler than all of you combined (yes, I know that CT posted in here: his Quebecois accent takes away from his many cool points, but being a European and fluent in French, I might be a tad biased)

[/quote]

You are awesome and truly way cooler. :slight_smile:

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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

So just to recap, you do NOT have a degree in genetics, correct?[/quote]

Never said I did. That is like saying you need a degree in “anatomy”. It is usually part of a larger degree unless specializing.[/quote]

Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat. [/quote]

Yeah pretty much, annoys me too. Then if you try to back him they call you a ‘nut hugger’. Haters gunna hate. I love T-Nation, but there are alot of petty internet warriors who will find any excuse to feel ‘big’, so they attack him personally.

909

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

So just to recap, you do NOT have a degree in genetics, correct?[/quote]

Never said I did. That is like saying you need a degree in “anatomy”. It is usually part of a larger degree unless specializing.[/quote]

Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat. [/quote]

Yeah pretty much, annoys me too. Then if you try to back him they call you a ‘nut hugger’. Haters gunna hate. I love T-Nation, but there are alot of petty internet warriors who will find any excuse to feel ‘big’, so they attack him personally.

[/quote]
Who cares he’s just fat

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[quote]myself1992 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

So just to recap, you do NOT have a degree in genetics, correct?[/quote]

Never said I did. That is like saying you need a degree in “anatomy”. It is usually part of a larger degree unless specializing.[/quote]

Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat. [/quote]

Yeah pretty much, annoys me too. Then if you try to back him they call you a ‘nut hugger’. Haters gunna hate. I love T-Nation, but there are alot of petty internet warriors who will find any excuse to feel ‘big’, so they attack him personally.

[/quote]
Who cares he’s just fat[/quote]

Ripped? No. Fat? No. X is big and fluffy. Like a bear.

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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat. [/quote]

Point, but to be honest, he’s the one always throwing out his expertise on whatever is being discussed. I couldn’t care one way or the other (I have friends who are dentists, and I respect the hell out of 'em), but I can also understand why his constant attitude makes him such a polarizing person on here.

S

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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

[/quote]

I wouldn’t call a CSCS a “total BS cert” by any stretch of the imagination…

http://www.nsca-lift.org/Certification/CSCS/

913

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

[/quote]

I wouldn’t call a CSCS a “total BS cert” by any stretch of the imagination…

http://www.nsca-lift.org/Certification/CSCS/[/quote]

I dunno man. My college girlfriend got her cert easily and she was a fucking moron.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

[/quote]

I wouldn’t call a CSCS a “total BS cert” by any stretch of the imagination…

http://www.nsca-lift.org/Certification/CSCS/[/quote]

I dunno man. My college girlfriend got her cert easily and she was a fucking moron. [/quote]

Lol…

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat. [/quote]

But I can also understand why his constant attitude makes him such a polarizing person on here.

[/quote]

Exactly…

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Not all of us in disagreement with him have no related backgrounds. I don’t mention mine much because it comes across as snobbish and we don’t have to discuss formal academics to come to some logical conclusions.

My background:
Undergrad: nutrition
Masters: nutrition and exercise phys
Dietetic internship

My thesis professor used to write for T-mag too.

Also met some cool, experienced people with for my fitness hobby and attended seminars by:
Mighty Stu
John Gaglione
Jim Wendler
Ian King
Paul Chek
Mike Jenkins

So through this, and attending events regularly, I came to some conclusions and I don’t state them just to argue but rather because I like discussing what I’m passionate despite the fact that I’m not some amazing lifter or bodybuilder.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
Find it kind of funny that Professor X is required to have a degree in genetics to weigh in, whereas people with total BS certifications, ‘CSCS,’ etc are ‘Experts.’

Also pretty awesome that most of the people calling out PX have academic backgrounds ranging from ‘didn’t go to college’ to ‘got a degree in psychology!’ to ‘will probably hit age 30 before I get an undergrad degree.’

Also interesting that ‘Dentist’ is regarded as a small feat. [/quote]

Point, but to be honest, he’s the one always throwing out his expertise on whatever is being discussed. I couldn’t care one way or the other (I have friends who are dentists, and I respect the hell out of 'em), but I can also understand why his constant attitude makes him such a polarizing person on here.

S[/quote]

this

there are also a lot of people calling him out who are not kids, are pretty big and strong themselves, and have notable academic credentials.

before i went to nursing school i was working on a masters in biology, and took a few genetics classes. part of my requirements while in the graduate program was to teach my adviser’s (the dean of the department) 101 biology lab for him.

point? well given the above, i can claim a degree in biology and “have studied genetics” and i worked in a lab.

nowhere in regards to training have i ever felt the need to throw that shit out on this forum.

but then again, if i had 6,000,000,000,000 posts, no telling what i might have said by now.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Not all of us in disagreement with him have no related backgrounds. I don’t mention mine much because it comes across as snobbish and we don’t have to discuss formal academics to come to some logical conclusions.

My background:
Undergrad: nutrition
Masters: nutrition and exercise phys
Dietetic internship

My thesis professor used to write for T-mag too.

Also met some cool, experienced people with for my fitness hobby and attended seminars by:
Mighty Stu
John Gaglione
Jim Wendler
Ian King
Paul Chek
Mike Jenkins

So through this, and attending events regularly, I came to some conclusions and I don’t state them just to argue but rather because I like discussing what I’m passionate despite the fact that I’m not some amazing lifter or bodybuilder.
[/quote]

But you don’t have an education in genetics. So piss off.

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here is the way it works:

if you disagree with me, your opinion is shit because you are smaller and weaker

not smaller or weaker?

well then, you are not a smart and educated as me.

bigger, stronger, more educated? well shit, i make more money than you.

wait, you make more money than me? well, uh, still fuck you, i got invited to Colorado, haters!!!

how about that?

920

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Not all of us in disagreement with him have no related backgrounds. I don’t mention mine much because it comes across as snobbish and we don’t have to discuss formal academics to come to some logical conclusions.

My background:
Undergrad: nutrition
Masters: nutrition and exercise phys
Dietetic internship

My thesis professor used to write for T-mag too.

Also met some cool, experienced people with for my fitness hobby and attended seminars by:
Mighty Stu
John Gaglione
Jim Wendler
Ian King
Paul Chek
Mike Jenkins

So through this, and attending events regularly, I came to some conclusions and I don’t state them just to argue but rather because I like discussing what I’m passionate despite the fact that I’m not some amazing lifter or bodybuilder.
[/quote]

But you don’t have an education in genetics. So piss off.[/quote]

You always crack me up bro!