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[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is also why I made the comment about “contest shape”…because if passing these “limits” up is just a matter of NOT reaching contest levels of body fat, then they hold less significance to every other weight lifter as far as what can be done.

Most of the people here want to look good…but getting down to 7% isn’t necessary to achieve that.[/quote]

True, I actually look better at 9-10% than at 6% because any lower than 8% I lose fullness regardless of what I do.

And I also agree that while competing is a great way to get motivated and accomplish something special, ultimately it can really limit your progress. Really, VERY few people will add even an ounce of muscle when dieting down for a show (unless they gradually add more and more drugs), maintaining your muscle mass is what most people who do things right accomplish, and a good 20-30% will lose some muscle.

So under the best circumstances, assuming a 12 weeks prep (which is fairly common, although more and more people are using 16 weeks preps now) it means that there will be 3 months out of each year where you do not gain muscle.

NOW… some people define “progress” as getting a more pleasing physique. In those people getting leaner without adding muscle is a big improvement. So they can till “progress”. But those who focus more on raw size (or strength for that matter) will progress at a slower pace if they decide to compete.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is also why I made the comment about “contest shape”…because if passing these “limits” up is just a matter of NOT reaching contest levels of body fat, then they hold less significance to every other weight lifter as far as what can be done.

Most of the people here want to look good…but getting down to 7% isn’t necessary to achieve that.[/quote]

True, I actually look better at 9-10% than at 6% because any lower than 8% I lose fullness regardless of what I do.

And I also agree that while competing is a great way to get motivated and accomplish something special, ultimately it can really limit your progress. Really, VERY few people will add even an ounce of muscle when dieting down for a show (unless they gradually add more and more drugs), maintaining your muscle mass is what most people who do things right accomplish, and a good 20-30% will lose some muscle.

So under the best circumstances, assuming a 12 weeks prep (which is fairly common, although more and more people are using 16 weeks preps now) it means that there will be 3 months out of each year where you do not gain muscle.

NOW… some people define “progress” as getting a more pleasing physique. In those people getting leaner without adding muscle is a big improvement. So they can till “progress”. But those who focus more on raw size (or strength for that matter) will progress at a slower pace if they decide to compete.

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Question…since you saw me up close…do you think I was carrying more than 200lbs of lean body mass back then?

Some here seem distraught at this.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
This was a really good thread but now its just shit[/quote]

And then my girlfriend will start complaining about how the room was so clean before the dogs started going at it. But like, even though i enjoy a clean room, it is still so much fun to whatch them go at each other making a mess of everything else.

When they finnally get tired and stop, well i get bored. Part of me even wants to provoke them to keep fighting for my own entertainment even though the room will stay messy. Usually i just take one of the little one’s favorite toys and give it to the big one. Works everytime.[/quote]

Not the same, man. Pets are a lot more fun to watch than some dim-witted adults squabble about trivial pseudo issues on the Internet.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
This was a really good thread but now its just shit[/quote]

And then my girlfriend will start complaining about how the room was so clean before the dogs started going at it. But like, even though i enjoy a clean room, it is still so much fun to whatch them go at eachother making a mess of everything else.

When they finnally get tired and stop, well i get bored. Part of me even wants to provoke them to keep fighting for my own entertainment even though the room will stay messy. Usually i just take one of the little one’s favorite toys and give it to the big one. Works everytime.

So Prof X, do you feel that you dont have to answer Gregron’s question because you outweigh him by 50 lbs? …see what I did there? [/quote]

Maybe it would be a good idea if there was a kind of subforum for all this sort of shit that people could visit from time to time for laughs and stuff while leaving threads like this where people like Stu, Brick,Zraw and Thibs could weigh in without it spiralling into the same cesspool all these threads seem to do lately

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Question…since you saw me up close…do you think I was carrying more than 200lbs of lean body mass back then?

Some here seem distraught at this.[/quote]

Of course you did, actually a silly question.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
This was a really good thread but now its just shit[/quote]

And then my girlfriend will start complaining about how the room was so clean before the dogs started going at it. But like, even though i enjoy a clean room, it is still so much fun to whatch them go at eachother making a mess of everything else.

When they finnally get tired and stop, well i get bored. Part of me even wants to provoke them to keep fighting for my own entertainment even though the room will stay messy. Usually i just take one of the little one’s favorite toys and give it to the big one. Works everytime.

So Prof X, do you feel that you dont have to answer Gregron’s question because you outweigh him by 50 lbs? …see what I did there? [/quote]

Maybe it would be a good idea if there was a kind of subforum for all this sort of shit that people could visit from time to time for laughs and stuff while leaving threads like this where people like Stu, Brick,Zraw and Thibs could weigh in without it spiralling into the same cesspool all these threads seem to do lately
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New in town huh?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]steven alex wrote:
This was a really good thread but now its just shit[/quote]

And then my girlfriend will start complaining about how the room was so clean before the dogs started going at it. But like, even though i enjoy a clean room, it is still so much fun to whatch them go at eachother making a mess of everything else.

When they finnally get tired and stop, well i get bored. Part of me even wants to provoke them to keep fighting for my own entertainment even though the room will stay messy. Usually i just take one of the little one’s favorite toys and give it to the big one. Works everytime.

So Prof X, do you feel that you dont have to answer Gregron’s question because you outweigh him by 50 lbs? …see what I did there? [/quote]

Maybe it would be a good idea if there was a kind of subforum for all this sort of shit that people could visit from time to time for laughs and stuff while leaving threads like this where people like Stu, Brick,Zraw and Thibs could weigh in without it spiralling into the same cesspool all these threads seem to do lately
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New in town huh? [/quote]

LOL yeah sort of

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Can we look at what lean men (sub-20%) look like at 275 to 300 pounds at 5’10" to 6’? DORIAN YATES - YouTube

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
You do realize that being 305 and carrying 210lbs of LBM would put you over 30% NF right.[/quote]

I didn’t say those were my numbers. [/quote]

So what were you?

220lbs of LBM? 28% NF
230lbs of LBM? 25% NF
240lbs of LBM? 21% NF

Or am I still too high?[/quote]

250lbs of LBM? 18% NF?
260lbs of LBM? 15% NF?

Am I STILL too high???

Am I at least getting warmer?[/quote]

265lbs of LBM? 13% NF?
270lbs of LBM? 11ish% NF?
280lbs of LBM? 8% NF?

Come on man.

I HAD to have gotten it by now.
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Am I still too high Prof?

What NF% were you at at 305?

FYI, I’m going to keep asking. I said I wouldn’t criticize your numbers in this thread, and i still won’t, if you posted them so it could have ended a page or two ago. Keep ignoring it and ill keep asking. Answer and its over. It’s not a hard question. You said that you knew what you were.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Question…since you saw me up close…do you think I was carrying more than 200lbs of lean body mass back then?

Some here seem distraught at this.[/quote]

Of course you did, actually a silly question.[/quote]

Just wanted to get your opinion considering I was recently told I am 25% body fat.

I miss real debates like we used to have.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
You do realize that being 305 and carrying 210lbs of LBM would put you over 30% BF right.[/quote]

I didn’t say those were my numbers. [/quote]

So what were you?

220lbs of LBM? 28% BF
230lbs of LBM? 25% BF
240lbs of LBM? 21% BF

Or am I still too high?[/quote]

250lbs of LBM? 18% BF?
260lbs of LBM? 15% BF?

Am I STILL too high???

Am I at least getting warmer?[/quote]

265lbs of LBM? 13% BF?
270lbs of LBM? 11ish% BF?
280lbs of LBM? 8% BF?

Come on man.

I HAD to have gotten it by now.
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Am I still too high Prof? Where you really 5-6%?

What BF% were you at at 305?

FYI, I’m going to keep asking. I said I wouldn’t criticize your numbers in this thread, and i still won’t, if you posted them so it could have ended a page or two ago. Keep ignoring it and ill keep asking. Answer and its over. It’s not a hard question. You said that you knew what you were.
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Dude, it was not fat% (NF%). I thought that was made clear.

I am currently 220 at NF%. You jelly Bro?

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^^you’re right. I’m going edit…

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Can we look at what lean men (sub-20%) look like at 275 to 300 pounds at 5’10" to 6’? DORIAN YATES - YouTube
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Which brings us full circle back to the original topic (title) of the thread.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
CT stated he has probably put on around 45 lbs of muscle due to training. CT has more muscle than PX imo. Yet PX has added 80lbs of muscle due to training. Somehow PX has added 35 lbs more muscle than CT has. And looking at the visual difference 35lbs of muscle makes (Dex vs. Stu), somethig isn’t quite adding up. But for the most part, we all know this.

It’s one thing to say you shouldn’t set limits on others, but I don’t think it’s necessary for one to inflate there own stats to make that point. [/quote]

CT also stated I was about 16-17% in CO so you may want to work on your numbers.

I am also taller than CT.[/quote]

True… but I also said that a lot of people grossly underestimate how much weight they have to lose. And that many competitors actually screw up because they use body fat percentage to plan out their prep.

The thing is that for each pound of fat you lose you normally lose 0.5lbs of water (these are not made up numbers that I’m just throwing out there). For some people it’s even more than that.

So let’s say that someone is at 260 and 18% body fat he actually has a lean body mass of about 218lbs. Since a true contest shape is about 5% if one simply use math about fat loss, it is easy to assume a stage weight of 230. But in reality to be in true contest condition that person would have to go down to about 208. And that is IF ZERO muscle loss occurs (which is unlikely if someone is natural, more likely if he is not).

So 260 at 18% means a stage weight of 208 if one comes in good condition.

The last contest I did I actually went up as high as 255 and still had abs outline (so about 15-16% body fat) and I actually ended up competing at 192. I actually screwed up the last two weeks because I panicked … I would probably ended up closer to 205-205 if I had not done so.

That why I say that there is a distinction between LEAN BODY MASS and MUSCLE MASS.[/quote]

Not to stray off a topic. But what would you say is a good " beach weather " BF to have in the summer. To maintain to look real lean look with a six pack yet look a bit full at the same time.
If that makes sense.

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[quote]GymTimeNYC wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
CT stated he has probably put on around 45 lbs of muscle due to training. CT has more muscle than PX imo. Yet PX has added 80lbs of muscle due to training. Somehow PX has added 35 lbs more muscle than CT has. And looking at the visual difference 35lbs of muscle makes (Dex vs. Stu), somethig isn’t quite adding up. But for the most part, we all know this.

It’s one thing to say you shouldn’t set limits on others, but I don’t think it’s necessary for one to inflate there own stats to make that point. [/quote]

CT also stated I was about 16-17% in CO so you may want to work on your numbers.

I am also taller than CT.[/quote]

I mean one that can be maintained and consistent for a period of months. And ideal BF.

True… but I also said that a lot of people grossly underestimate how much weight they have to lose. And that many competitors actually screw up because they use body fat percentage to plan out their prep.

The thing is that for each pound of fat you lose you normally lose 0.5lbs of water (these are not made up numbers that I’m just throwing out there). For some people it’s even more than that.

So let’s say that someone is at 260 and 18% body fat he actually has a lean body mass of about 218lbs. Since a true contest shape is about 5% if one simply use math about fat loss, it is easy to assume a stage weight of 230. But in reality to be in true contest condition that person would have to go down to about 208. And that is IF ZERO muscle loss occurs (which is unlikely if someone is natural, more likely if he is not).

So 260 at 18% means a stage weight of 208 if one comes in good condition.

The last contest I did I actually went up as high as 255 and still had abs outline (so about 15-16% body fat) and I actually ended up competing at 192. I actually screwed up the last two weeks because I panicked … I would probably ended up closer to 205-205 if I had not done so.

That why I say that there is a distinction between LEAN BODY MASS and MUSCLE MASS.[/quote]

Not to stray off a topic. But what would you say is a good " beach weather " BF to have in the summer. To maintain to look real lean look with a six pack yet look a bit full at the same time.
If that makes sense.
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^^10-12% would be a good start. Just not too carb depleted.

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has CT fletcher carried more than 80lbs of LBM??? yes.

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is it possible to have 22" arms without taking drugs? CT fletcher says “you better believe it”