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[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.

The bearded lady was legit?

The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?

Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?

It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]

LOL seriously. To think these old school guys were ahead of natty bbers of today is comical. Yet the IFBB pros today are far ahead of the IFBB pros of the past. Weird.

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Anyone else notice a big change in fat distribution when dropping a bunch of weight?
My chest used to have about as thick a layer of fat as my gut, but my chest leaned out far faster.

Same with my upper arm. My forearm leaned out fast, but Iā€™m just really starting to see better separation in my upper arm. My bicep separation from my shoulder and elbow is really starting to come out.

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And as reference from my ā€œbrick houseā€ days.

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[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Wow creeper post from the grave.

Is that you Tribunal?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Wow creeper post from the grave.

Is that you Tribunal?[/quote]

woah!

that really is fucking creepy lol

a post from 2002?!

so squeaky clean Stu likes himself a walk on the wild side now and then does he wearing womenā€™s underwear and taking drugs?!

lol im just kidding Stu is a good guy

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From this thread and other similar threads (e.g., the one about Casey Buttā€™s analysis), it should be pretty obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that the people trying to argue against the main points/conclusions are either (a) trolling or (b) not smart.

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[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
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actually i am shocked at this

this is like finding out your local priest actually wants you to play with his organ rather than the church organ after Mass.

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[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:
http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/4ad_vs_mag10

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Difference in lean body mass between Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. was like 10-15 lbs.?! Thats ridicoulous! :)))

Have you seen these men box when in their prime?
[/quote]

Of course, Iā€™m a huge boxing fan. Seriously though 15lbs of muscle tissue makes a huge visual difference especially since these guys minimize leg size gains.

Also consider that Tyson has a wider clavicle and stockier build, which makes him look larger. [/quote]
Why are they limiting gains in the legs? Speed/mobility? If so, I thought bigger legs didnā€™t necessarily mean slower?

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[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Is that even the same Mighty Stu? No avi, different post count, Level 0ā€¦

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Is that even the same Mighty Stu? No avi, different post count, Level 0ā€¦[/quote]

Notice how everyone has the same post count in that thread?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Is that even the same Mighty Stu? No avi, different post count, Level 0ā€¦[/quote]

Notice how everyone has the same post count in that thread?
[/quote]

the olden day threads are like this.

they all are level 0 same post count no avi same join date. join date is after the date on the post too.

it was explained why it is like that once i canā€™t recall now

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Is that even the same Mighty Stu? No avi, different post count, Level 0ā€¦[/quote]

Notice how everyone has the same post count in that thread?
[/quote]

Yeahā€¦ why is that?

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:

Stu? But I thought we were talking about LIFETIME naturals?

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.[/quote]
[/quote]

Is that even the same Mighty Stu? No avi, different post count, Level 0ā€¦[/quote]

Notice how everyone has the same post count in that thread?
[/quote]

Yeahā€¦ why is that?
[/quote]

They did a system reset at some point and all of the old old threads are displayed that way now.

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[quote]flch95 wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Difference in lean body mass between Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. was like 10-15 lbs.?! Thats ridicoulous! :)))

Have you seen these men box when in their prime?
[/quote]

Of course, Iā€™m a huge boxing fan. Seriously though 15lbs of muscle tissue makes a huge visual difference especially since these guys minimize leg size gains.

Also consider that Tyson has a wider clavicle and stockier build, which makes him look larger. [/quote]
Why are they limiting gains in the legs? Speed/mobility? If so, I thought bigger legs didnā€™t necessarily mean slower?[/quote]

Iā€™m obviously guessing out of curiosity, but I would imagine more muscle would require more energy in a sense?

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
^Good point. Heck, When I compete, Iā€™m usually a middleweight at 5ā€™8, but there are guys the same height as me in the lightweights, and even a few seriously brick-thick dudes as light-heavies.

S[/quote]

Whats your estimate of how many pounds of lean body mass have you built after 18?

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Difference in lean body mass between Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. was like 10-15 lbs.?! Thats ridicoulous! :)))

Have you seen these men box when in their prime?
[/quote]

Of course, Iā€™m a huge boxing fan. Seriously though 15lbs of muscle tissue makes a huge visual difference especially since these guys minimize leg size gains.

Also consider that Tyson has a wider clavicle and stockier build, which makes him look larger. [/quote]

I saw Tysons gigantic thighs! But only Tysons neck and calves make 15 pounds of difference over Roy Jones!

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[quote]SKELAC wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Its interesting to look at the role of genetic predisposition.
One example,Roy Jones Jr. and Mike Tyson.

Both professional boxers.Both champions in their respective weight class.Both of the same/similar height,but about 50 pounds difference in lean body mas.
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The difference is not that great. Tyson did fight as heavy as 239 but during his prime (pre-prison) his fighting weight was between 215 and 220 since he was a heavyweight, he didnā€™t have to lose weight for his fights, so itā€™s fair to say that during his prime his normal bodyweight was 215-220lbs.

Roy Jones fought in many weight classes having his best physique arguably as a cruiserweight (198lbs)ā€¦ his fighting weight in that class was 193lbs, so likely didnā€™t cut too much weight, if any at all. When he fought in lighter classes he simply dropped a ton of water weight (which most boxers used to do back then and still today to some extent). So it is fair to say that his normal weight was in the 190sā€¦ probably between 193 and 195lbs.

So we have a 20-25lbs difference, not 50. Furthermore, Roy Jones was a bit leaner, so the actual difference in lean body mass was probably more like 10-15lbs.
[/quote]

Difference in lean body mass between Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. was like 10-15 lbs.?! Thats ridicoulous! :)))

Have you seen these men box when in their prime?
[/quote]

Roy

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Difference in lean body mass between Tyson and Roy Jones Jr. was like 10-15 lbs.?! Thats ridicoulous! :)))

Have you seen these men box when in their prime?
[/quote]

Of course, Iā€™m a huge boxing fan. Seriously though 15lbs of muscle tissue makes a huge visual difference especially since these guys minimize leg size gains.

Also consider that Tyson has a wider clavicle and stockier build, which makes him look larger. [/quote]

Mike