Thibs New Training Questions #3

Thanks for the response CT

1.When doing ‘1-2 max sets’ for assisance exercises, would one strive to do just straight sets or drop sets/other techniques?

  1. What percentage of ones one rep max would be ideal? + approx number of reps for the set? (I’m thinking 1-2 ‘feeler sets’ of 3 reps to get the appropriate weight?)

3.I’m also interested in your view on the post by IIDUTCHII below my original one:

‘If I did Chest/Back on the same day, could I do my two main movements in the a.m. in super set fashion. Than come back in the p.m. for all the assitance excercises, and do these in super set fashion as well?’

If It was effective to do 2 main movements in a ramping style as mentioned, could one do 1-2 assistance excercises for each bodypart after, If training in 1 session? (max rep sets)

Thanks again for you advice and guidance

[quote]esog wrote:
Hi Christian,
I follow a pull-push-legs ( in that order) split right now.
Most of the time i will take a day rest after a workout (41 years and a busy life), and sometimes 2 on/ 1 off.
I wonder where you would put a deadliftvariation, on pullday or leg day?

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If you are using a conventional or rack deadlift I would put it on back day.

If you are using a sumo, snatch-grip or romanian deadlift I would put it on leg days.

thanks a lot. not only for answering my question but for all your info around here!

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I don’t recall that happening.
What kind and amount of conditioning work would you recommend on top of a 5-per week bulking program if one does not have access to a prowler/sled (something either using standard gym equipment or outdoors would be the best) and if the goal is to minimize fat gain while bulking?

Thanks,
B.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]esog wrote:
Hi Christian,
I follow a pull-push-legs ( in that order) split right now.
Most of the time i will take a day rest after a workout (41 years and a busy life), and sometimes 2 on/ 1 off.
I wonder where you would put a deadliftvariation, on pullday or leg day?

[/quote]

If you are using a conventional or rack deadlift I would put it on back day.

If you are using a sumo, snatch-grip or romanian deadlift I would put it on leg days.[/quote]

So if Mass/Strength is the ultimate goal (not competing in PLing) would i be missing out on much if i completely replaced the DL with rack pulls?

thanks for your time

hey coach!
This is in reference to one of your older articles. Ive been on a huge gironda kick lately and i was sent a link to your gironda system. i just had a question about the system:

for the sets and reps, for instance 4x12, am i ramping to my 12 rep max or am i going for cumulative fatigue due to the short rest periods (and doing whatever i can, increasing or decreasing weight to stay in the 12 rep range)?

kind of a bush league question, but i just wasnt sure.

Christian,

Do you feel Ratchet Sets are effective for weighted pull ups?

Would this depend on what other rep methods you’re using within the same worout?

I’m just trying to learn the most efficient way to use some of the HTH methods…Force Spectum, Max Force Sets, Ratchet Sets, etc.

Any insight you would be willin to provide, would be very appreciated.

Thanks for you time, once again…I hope by answering my question, it meant you didn’t have to take out the garbage or mow the lawn :slight_smile:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]moogweasel wrote:
Thibs

1/When training Monday, Wednesday and friday, Would you recommend the ‘abbreviated training’ schedule you mentioned in a previous post, or a Push, pull, legs split?
If I’m doing Muay thai a couple of times a week I would be wary of overtraining - one the flip side, If I’m having 3-4 ‘off days’ recovery would not be as much of an issue I suppose.(when busy or enjoying the beach/sights of Thailand, where I’ll be moving to shortly)

I’m just thinking about an approach you mentioned:

‘One approach that we currently use is perform the main exercise for a muscle group with micro-ramping, and then pick 3-5 assistance exercises which are performed for 1 or 2 max rep sets’

2.Could this approach be used when training multiple body parts in one session? Would the volume be significantly reduced, if for example Chest, shoulders and triceps were trained in one session? (I’m thinking that the muscles would need a fair amount of stimulus if only trained once a week)

  1. I’m not 100% on how I would set up a session of this type? Could I micro-ramp up heavy on the bench and push press in one session? A little guidance would be appreciated.

As always, your advice is much appreciated

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  1. Both approaches would work. Experiment with what you feel the best with.

  2. Yes and no… You are not training “muscles” with this approach but rather “movement patterns”. But on any given day you are training all the muscles involved in a movement pattern. For example when doing any compound pushing movement the pecs, triceps and shoulders are involved.

So to answer your question: you only pick ONE main movement per workout. For example the bench press. With this exercise you perform 8-12 sets, micro-ramping style. Then you pick 3-5 assistance exercises that go with the main movement. Either pick other pressing exercises (e.g. shoulder press, dips, DB incline press) or exercises targeting the pressing muscles (e.g. lying triceps extension, DB front raise, cable cross-over, etc.) or a mix of both.

These assistance exercises are performed for 1-2 sets of max reps.

  1. No, only one main movement per session.[/quote]

Hey Coach,

How do you go about selecting the weight used for the max rep sets for the assistance exercises? I noticed that during the IBB videos, max rep sets usually fell between 8-12 reps, should you select a weight that allows a similar amount of reps?

I read recently your views in sticking with a movement for a long enough time to ensure that, as neural adaptations begin to stall, it is muscular gains that fuel any further strength gains. As shoulders are a week point, I plan to use push press as my main movement in my push session, would you suggest sticking with this exercise as my main one for between 8-10 weeks? Would a selection of dips, lateral raise and dumbell press as assistance excercises be wise?

Thanks for your time.

Apologies is you already covered this coach, but I forget what your thoughts on compound movements to build up smaller muscle groups like bi’s, tri’s and calves.?

Coach,

When intially adding ESW to a fat loss plan, would you prefer introducing it on an OFF day from weight training or on the same day as the weight training, at a seperate session(PM for eg)?

Thanks,
GJ

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Coach,

When intially adding ESW to a fat loss plan, would you prefer introducing it on an OFF day from weight training or on the same day as the weight training, at a seperate session(PM for eg)?

Thanks,
GJ[/quote]

If it’s high intensity energy systems work, I’d try to do it on the same day, ideally as a second session. If it’s low intensity, it doesn’t matter.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Coach,

When intially adding ESW to a fat loss plan, would you prefer introducing it on an OFF day from weight training or on the same day as the weight training, at a seperate session(PM for eg)?

Thanks,
GJ[/quote]

If it’s high intensity energy systems work, I’d try to do it on the same day, ideally as a second session. If it’s low intensity, it doesn’t matter.[/quote]

Thanks Boss!

GJ

In the article “The Five Elements of Program Dominance” you briefly wrote about “intensiveness dominant” training and that this is for ectomorphs and people having trouble gaining muscle. Have you elaborated on this approach in a different article? I haven’t found another such article, though that doesn’t mean it’s not here.

The reason for asking… I’ve been weight training for about 1.5y and have gained very little muscle in that time, but have gained some fat. Programs have focused on the big compounds at 3x6-8 or 5x5, mostly going to failure on the sets. I’m currently 46yo, 160lb, ~16% body fat and was 155lb, ~15% when I started.

CT,

When performing Cluster reps should we re-rack the bar after every rep?

I’m following your Get Jacked Fast Program and have been simply holding the bar at lockout when doing BP for cluster reps of 5.

[quote]therajraj wrote:
CT,

When performing Cluster reps should we re-rack the bar after every rep?

I’m following your Get Jacked Fast Program and have been simply holding the bar at lockout when doing BP for cluster reps of 5.

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Yes re-rack the bar. Holding the bar at arm’s length completely negates the benefit of cluster reps, which is to allow for partial recovery between reps. And ideally a partner should hand you the bar prior to each rep (for bench… obviously it doesn’t apply for squats and deadlifts).

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
CT,

When performing Cluster reps should we re-rack the bar after every rep?

I’m following your Get Jacked Fast Program and have been simply holding the bar at lockout when doing BP for cluster reps of 5.

[/quote]

Yes re-rack the bar. Holding the bar at arm’s length completely negates the benefit of cluster reps, which is to allow for partial recovery between reps. And ideally a partner should hand you the bar prior to each rep (for bench… obviously it doesn’t apply for squats and deadlifts).[/quote]

edit: wrong section

Hey CT whats your current thoughts on the duck foot snatch grip deadlift for quad development? Are you still a fan?

[quote]nickj_777 wrote:
Hey CT whats your current thoughts on the duck foot snatch grip deadlift for quad development? Are you still a fan?[/quote]

Why would I change my view? I might change my views on a training method or approach, which is more complex, but if an exercise is effective it’s effective.

coach if yo have a hypothetical weightlifter with medium legs long femur, fairly long torso and short arms you suggest to begin his pull with feet and knees out to keep the vertical bar pathway as close as possible to the vertical pathway of his hips? Minimizing this distance will provide the best leverage to explode the pull?also this lifter has more dificulty to clean and much less leg strength.right?do you suggest any exercises than the classical back and front squat for leg strength improvement?

How do you feel about upright rows with a medium/wide grip for medial delts? If it’s not good for that what would you suggest with free weights besides laterals?