Israel - 'We Are Untouchable'

By Tanya Hsu
8-5-6

We are Israel. We are untouchable. No matter what we do the international community will not act against us. Oh, there will be talks at the United Nations but we know that the United States will intervene on our behalf. There will be Arab League discussions but we know that no state will take action against us. There will be mass protests and demonstrations; there will be activists and advocates begging for peace; there will be rallies and fundraisers to help the targets of our bombs. And we know that nothing will make a difference because we are Jews - we are victims of the Holocaust. We have suffered such that we have the right to make the rest of the world pay (even though organised Zionism officially declared war on Germany in 1933, long before Hitler’s Final Solution). Because we are victims.

Yes, we know that peoples all over the world have suffered worse crimes than ours, but they were not the Chosen People. We know that over 22 million Russians were killed under Stalin, 15 million Chinese killed by the Japanese, millions elsewhere in the world who suffer the same fate in the bloodiest 20th century. We know that Zionism is an athiest Marxist creation using Judaism as its weapon; that we were founded upon terrorism and our leaders became Israel’s prime ministers and Nobel Peace Prize winners; that less than 10% of Jews worldwide supported the Zionist cause for decades until WWII. We know that the crimes committed by Hitler equally affected Communists, gypsies, the handicapped, and political prisoners.

That does not matter - we are special. The rest of the world will not touch us because they are terrified of the label “anti-Semite”. World leaders: terrified of this most glorious ad hominem even though we are mostly not Semitic peoples. Jews of Israel, the Sephardim Jews, were almost non existant when we arrived from Russia, Poland, Austria-Hungary and elsewhere in the 20th century and demanded Arab land. They had spread out and moved on. We did not come from Yemen, Ethiopia or Iraq, but who cares? We are the victims and that is all that counts.

Time and again we wonder at how far American gullibility will take us. We push it to the limits on cable television and get away with it repeatedly. We know that the majority of the world is aware we blatantly lie when we express our “deepest regrets” because “terrorists” were hiding in the villages we destroy. We even have the gall to pick the precise same targets as a decade ago, ignoring the cries of outrage from America and the West. We’ll just repeat the mantra “a tragic mistake”.

Honestly, we, too, are rather surprised to see that America patiently sits back and buys our words each time. We have trained our diplomats well, not only in the art of deception to the media, but by using powerful strong arm behind the scenes tactics to mold the views of US Congressmen and women in our favour. We have worked on this for decades and it has been perfected for the one place it counts: our bank America. We rely upon those weapons; we need to create constant conflict so as to receive a perpetual $13 billion annual aid package from the US, including unsecured loans that we have never been, nor ever will be, required to pay back. We are living a dream: what we want is given to us on a silver patter because we are Jews, and we have the Holocaust.

The above is only daring in that it is never voiced publicly in the West. The world is watching as Israel incinerates the Lebanese, next the Syrians and Palestinians, then Iran. Diplomats call for peace, a cease -fire, and negotiations. They speak the language of non committance. It takes a few brave men and women in leadership positions to dare to speak the truth; losing that AIPAC support in government is the kiss of death, and academics who dare write the facts know that their tenured careers are over. Israel is in the position of dominating the US government to an extent never before seen in history, creating a regime who will fully fund a “new Middle East” which in reality means Eretz Israel consisting of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and even Cyprus by some accounts. There is nothing speculative about these plans for hegemony - everything has been laid out, written down, and presented for years.

This war will not end with a cease-fire next week. This war will not end with a security zone controlled by the UN. This war will not end if Hezbollah and Hamas disappeared tomorrow. This war will not end as long as leaders and diplomats continue to fear the trump card charge of anti-Semitism by Israel.

So, when hundreds of children are torn apart by uranium tipped missiles provided courtesy of the US government, look in the mirror. Have you dared to offend Israel? Have you risked? Ask yourself what role you may have played in contributing to this global disaster. Nothing will change until you do.

“They vomit their gall and call it a newspaper.” — Nietzsche

Make the appropriate substitutions.

HH

If all the weapons of the Arabs disappeared tomorrow, there would be no more fighting.

If all the weapons of the Jews disappeared tomorrow, there would be no more Israel.

Do you not get this point, you conspiracy-addled little douchebag?

It’s not about the Holocaust.

It’s about the pogroms. And the Inquisition. And the Pale. And the Diaspora.

It is about something you will never be able to understand, and that is this: Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Perhaps one day America, too, will grow tired of the Jews.

So there must be an Israel.

Because the world is full of little assholes like you.

And, just so we know where this shithead gets his information from (because you know when someone doesn’t cite something, it’s just uber-trustworthy), here is some background on Tanya Hsu and the people sh works for:

[b]A quick Google reveals that she works for The Institute for Research Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep)…“a think tank working to define, communicate and promote America?s true interests in the Middle East.”

“Think Tank”?

Well, it doesn’t actually do much thinking as such, its forte is talking. Like many such bodies representing all sorts of interests, it’s actually a Public Relations organization, promoting certain Middle East countries, rather than promoting “America’s true interests” as advertized. A typical article is one which exposes how "

In March, 2005 Prosecutor Talya Sason revealed a vast Israeli criminal conspiracy in which “law violation became institutionalized” to enable illegal settlement growth funded by the World Zionist Organization (WZO)."

And Tanya is a Public Relations journalist for this organization, publishing such articles as
“The United States Must Not Neglect Saudi Arabian Investment.”[/b]

You realy should chnange your avatar, leskie…Superman would have nothing to do with liars like you.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
And, just so we know where this shithead gets his information from (because you know when someone doesn’t cite something, it’s just uber-trustworthy), here is some background on Tanya Hsu and the people sh works for:

[b]A quick Google reveals that she works for The Institute for Research Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep)…“a think tank working to define, communicate and promote America?s true interests in the Middle East.”

“Think Tank”?

Well, it doesn’t actually do much thinking as such, its forte is talking. Like many such bodies representing all sorts of interests, it’s actually a Public Relations organization, promoting certain Middle East countries, rather than promoting “America’s true interests” as advertized. A typical article is one which exposes how "

In March, 2005 Prosecutor Talya Sason revealed a vast Israeli criminal conspiracy in which “law violation became institutionalized” to enable illegal settlement growth funded by the World Zionist Organization (WZO)."

And Tanya is a Public Relations journalist for this organization, publishing such articles as
“The United States Must Not Neglect Saudi Arabian Investment.”[/b]

You realy should chnange your avatar, leskie…Superman would have nothing to do with liars like you.
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Yes, you really should change your avatar. Superman, after all, was the creation of two Jews - Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel.

Your associating yourself with their hero is an insult to their memory. Superman is so essentially Depression-era American-Jewish.

Perhaps you can find a picture of a suicide bomber? Or Osama? Maybe one of your heroes of 9/11? Superman certainly isn’t appropriate for you or your Islamo-fascist thought leaders.

This is exactly what the essay explains. By the way I’m not anti-Israel but I haven’t been drinking the “anti-palestinian kool-aid” either, are you so pro-Israel that you’re so blind to their actions?

You need to resort to name calling since you have nothing of substance but the usual Fox news watching, brainwashed rhetoric.

Today’s Zionist quote by David Ben Gurion:
Ben Gurion is considered one of the three founding figures of Zionism beside Chaim Weizmann and Herzl.

A month after the Nazi pogrom against Germany’s Jews, famously known as Kristallnacht, he stated on December 7, 1938: “If I knew it was possible to save all [Jewish] children of Germany by their transfer to England and only half of them by transferring them to Eretz-Yisrael, I would choose the latter----because we are faced not only with the accounting of these [Jewish] children but also with the historical accounting of the Jewish People.”
Righteous Victims, p. 162)

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

What is Anti-Semitism?

Anti-Semitism is prejudice or discrimination against Jews, based on negative perceptions of their religious beliefs and/or on negative group stereotypes. Anti-Semitism can also be a form of racism, as when Nazis and others consider Jews an inferior “race.”

What is a “Semite”?..the common definition:

  1. A member of a group of Semitic speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

  2. A Jew.

  3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.

The ideology of Zionism promotes anti-Semitism.

"If I am asked, “Could you give from the UJA moneys to rescue Jews, 'I say, NO! and I say again NO!”

Izaak Greenbaum – head of Jewish Agency Rescue Committee
February 18, 1943

Addressed to the Zionist Executive Council.

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
This is exactly what the essay explains. By the way I’m not anti-Israel but I haven’t been drinking the “anti-palestinian kool-aid” either, are you so pro-Israel that you’re so blind to their actions?

You need to resort to name calling since you have nothing of substance but the usual Fox news watching, brainwashed rhetoric.

Today’s Zionist quote by David Ben Gurion:
Ben Gurion is considered one of the three founding figures of Zionism beside Chaim Weizmann and Herzl.

A month after the Nazi pogrom against Germany’s Jews, famously known as Kristallnacht, he stated on December 7, 1938: “If I knew it was possible to save all [Jewish] children of Germany by their transfer to England and only half of them by transferring them to Eretz-Yisrael, I would choose the latter----because we are faced not only with the accounting of these [Jewish] children but also with the historical accounting of the Jewish People.”
Righteous Victims, p. 162)

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

What is Anti-Semitism?

Anti-Semitism is prejudice or discrimination against Jews, based on negative perceptions of their religious beliefs and/or on negative group stereotypes. Anti-Semitism can also be a form of racism, as when Nazis and others consider Jews an inferior “race.”

What is a “Semite”?..the common definition:

  1. A member of a group of Semitic speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

  2. A Jew.

  3. Bible. A descendant of Shem.

The ideology of Zionism promotes anti-Semitism.

"If I am asked, “Could you give from the UJA moneys to rescue Jews, 'I say, NO! and I say again NO!”

Izaak Greenbaum – head of Jewish Agency Rescue Committee
February 18, 1943

Addressed to the Zionist Executive Council.
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How telling you don’t answer or adress any points raised, instead choosing to play semantic games and post irrelevant quotes.

Do you not understand that every country around Israel wants her utter destruction?

Or…do you not care?

(I think it’s the second.)

[quote]

How telling you don’t answer or adress any points raised, instead choosing to play semantic games and post irrelevant quotes.

Do you not understand that every country around Israel wants her utter destruction?

Or…do you not care?

(I think it’s the second.)[/quote]

Why do they want Israel destroyed???

This may seem biased. Really it’s not, if you can’t see how influential the memory of jewish suffering is, you’re a fool. How can u mention the pale, diaspora etc, then not see? Not see how our leading nations get fucked by the bitter midget of Israel? Not see how colonial occupation of a vaguely-realted land becomes defensible by 60 years of mass destruction?

Did you even see in the news, that in this ‘war’, Hezbollah have, even by jewish account, killed around 30 people?
This isn’t a war, it’s a pest extermination. The arabs will be destroyed just like you all say Israel will, only this WILL HAPPEN, their defiance is too irritating to the Israelis. They want a glorious future extorted because of a tragic past. Shame someone has to pay the balance.

One more question- If one group of people, anywhere they go, find their ideology is incompatible with the natives, what does that suggest?

I know, fuck their culture we’’ blow it up and if they return fire we’’ demonise them and mobilise the US

If you can’t see past ‘terrorists are bad’ to even concede how racist and destructive the state of Israel must always be, just to protect ‘Eretz Israel’ (which is bullshit, keeps expanding, maybe the torah was a home improvement manual after all) Then you are very lost and one day you’ll probably incite the wrong desperate disenfranchised violent group to attack you, and BANG

But your arrogance can’t believe you could ever be wrong

Oh and quoting nietszche in defence of Israel’s imperiousness- that’s a new one.

One for all you yankees out there- “You look into the abyss, you become the abyss”

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:

Why do they want Israel destroyed???[/quote]

Why does it matter?

This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
You need to resort to name calling since you have nothing of substance but the usual Fox news watching, brainwashed rhetoric.
[/quote]

harris447 watching FOX News and actually believing them? If you believe that, then you really are out of touch with reality!

[quote]pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.[/quote]

I’m currently looking for a t-shirt that says

“Peace…The Old Fashioned Way”

And it’s a peace sign with a B52 inside it!

Israel will be protected by the west oil or no oil.

God literally can’t help you if you don’t know why.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
If all the weapons of the Arabs disappeared tomorrow, there would be no more fighting.

If all the weapons of the Jews disappeared tomorrow, there would be no more Israel.
[/quote]

This si the key to everything. I don’t agree with israel. I think it should have been in Argentina (which was offered). I think setting up a homeland in a place we are so hated is retarded.

BUT, Isreal has put up with a LOT of shit. How can they make peace with countries that don’t recognize their right to exist! The truthe is, however grudgingly, the Israeli’s are willing to share the holy land just a bit. They are open to the idea’s of peace. Many Israeli’s don’t like it, but they’re willing to try.

The Arab nation’s are not. They do not beleive Isreal has the right to exist, and it’s existence is an insult and a threat to them. Isreal dosn’t want to destroy the islamic nation’s. They want to be recognized and live in peace. The Arab nation’s want Isreal gone.

I’m a Jew who does not like the idea of a homeland in the Middle East. But now that it’s their, you cannot take it away. We are by far the most repressed in history. We were enslaved by pretty much everyone, killed by pretty much everyone, and persecuted by pretty much everyone up until modern times. I respect your right to disagree. I do not beleive that what Isreal is doing in Syria is right, nor do I condone it. But it was bound to happen.

Don’t tell me it isn’t the arab nation’s fault that these terrorist organizations exist. Hezzbollah, Al-quada, all the terrorist organizations are covers for the governments of the Arab nations. NOT the people in said nations, but the governments that control them. Hezzbollah “attacked” three days after the Iranian nuclear controversy. Wonder why?

Isreal is not untouchable. They are not justified. But you should be able to see where they’re coming from.

I respect your post and your position beowolf.

I’ll list some problems i feel stand in the way of Israel’s prosperity and peace

  1. they are a racist country. Israel is the jewish state. Non-jews live there but don’t get equal rights to land, jobs and social position. This is unethical, and the UN admit this.

  2. They have a lot of land that was never in biblical Israel, and wasn’t in the agreed Eretz-Israel. Israel have not withdrawn to the greenline borders, since 1967. No chance. But also, i believe they never wanted to. I think Israel should exist (i agree about Argentina, but it’s done now) but it can’t exist if it is openly in opposition with all of its neighbouring countries over such a basic issue as borders. Everyone knows they should give back land, and it would at the very least take away on of the Palestinian militants’ biggest excuses.

  3. It gets lots of guns, then wants to fire them. Obviously a country at war needs a shitload of guns, but really what came first, the chicken or the egg? (I know arabs first attacked in 47 but look at the ratios of missiles fired- Israel’s response is very disproportionate and strips them of validity)

  4. They are just another country. They are (no offence intended) nothing to do with biblical jews. I could become a jew and move there. My family didn’t live in Samaria. Get my point? There is no reason other than greed and arrogance why they should have sole control of Jerusalem, and the Muslims get none. If you are orthodox/devout you’ll know how difficult it can be to overcome religious conflict, especially if one guy holds all the holy sites in his expanding border.

  5. A victim mentality is not cool. By all means, teach and learn of the holocaust. I never want to see such a thing happen again. But what the superman person wrote is valid. There have been greater sacrifices and injustices even in this century. It is not to be a reason to be. That is not a good foundation. If you are angry at Germany/nazis, ok. But it appears to me that arabs had fuck all to do with it. Russians treated their jews really bad. Go to war with Russia? Thought not. Ever heard of ‘transference’? It’s like a psychological self-fulflling prophecy.

There are other issues but these are the main sticking points. Many apologies for criticising Israel again. It’s not personal. I don’t love terrorists/ wear nazi fatigues etc.

But for many people on here- They know nothing about the root of the conflict, and will not accept that each side must reform, they seem to believe if we just bomb Iran/Syria/Lebanon enough, all the militants will puss out and go away. 60 years later, they haven’t gone away.

Terrorists are the enemy. If Israel is to be ‘the good one’ the above must change. It’ll make coexistence easier.
But if the USA continues to veto impediments to Israel’s military, or if the resolutions change nothing, or if the resolution calls for ceasefire and the only state we are presumed to have influence with doesn’t stop, it’ll go on and on

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
I respect your post and your position beowolf.

I’ll list some problems i feel stand in the way of Israel’s prosperity and peace

  1. they are a racist country. Israel is the jewish state. Non-jews live there but don’t get equal rights to land, jobs and social position. This is unethical, and the UN admit this.

  2. They have a lot of land that was never in biblical Israel, and wasn’t in the agreed Eretz-Israel. Israel have not withdrawn to the greenline borders, since 1967. No chance. But also, i believe they never wanted to. I think Israel should exist (i agree about Argentina, but it’s done now) but it can’t exist if it is openly in opposition with all of its neighbouring countries over such a basic issue as borders. Everyone knows they should give back land, and it would at the very least take away on of the Palestinian militants’ biggest excuses.

  3. It gets lots of guns, then wants to fire them. Obviously a country at war needs a shitload of guns, but really what came first, the chicken or the egg? (I know arabs first attacked in 47 but look at the ratios of missiles fired- Israel’s response is very disproportionate and strips them of validity)

  4. They are just another country. They are (no offence intended) nothing to do with biblical jews. I could become a jew and move there. My family didn’t live in Samaria. Get my point? There is no reason other than greed and arrogance why they should have sole control of Jerusalem, and the Muslims get none. If you are orthodox/devout you’ll know how difficult it can be to overcome religious conflict, especially if one guy holds all the holy sites in his expanding border.

  5. A victim mentality is not cool. By all means, teach and learn of the holocaust. I never want to see such a thing happen again. But what the superman person wrote is valid. There have been greater sacrifices and injustices even in this century. It is not to be a reason to be. That is not a good foundation. If you are angry at Germany/nazis, ok. But it appears to me that arabs had fuck all to do with it. Russians treated their jews really bad. Go to war with Russia? Thought not. Ever heard of ‘transference’? It’s like a psychological self-fulflling prophecy.

There are other issues but these are the main sticking points. Many apologies for criticising Israel again. It’s not personal. I don’t love terrorists/ wear nazi fatigues etc.

But for many people on here- They know nothing about the root of the conflict, and will not accept that each side must reform, they seem to believe if we just bomb Iran/Syria/Lebanon enough, all the militants will puss out and go away. 60 years later, they haven’t gone away.

Terrorists are the enemy. If Israel is to be ‘the good one’ the above must change. It’ll make coexistence easier.
But if the USA continues to veto impediments to Israel’s military, or if the resolutions change nothing, or if the resolution calls for ceasefire and the only state we are presumed to have influence with doesn’t stop, it’ll go on and on[/quote]

One by one why you just don’t fucking get it:

  1. Israel is racist? Try saying a ‘Hail Mary’ in Saudi Arabia.

  2. Thay have land that they occupied wen THEY WERE ATTACKED. Why should they give it back? You sound like Albert Brooks in Lost in America trying to get his nest egg back from the casino. If any of the Arab countries that started EVERY war that Israel has been in had taken land, do you think they would have given it back?

  3. “It has lots of guns and wants to fire them?” What are you, a retard? This is an argument?

Please tell me about all the wars that have been fair fights. I’ll wait.

Oh, right: there haven’t been any. War is not about fairness.

They bring a knife, you bring a gun. That’s the Tel Aviv way.

  1. The Muslims get no control of Jerusalem because, for all of recent history, they have shown neither ability nor desire to get along like civilized human beings.

Please list all the Israeli suicide bombers that have boarded buses in Muslim countries.

Oh, right: you can’t.

  1. You’re a fucking idiot. It is about the Holocaust. And the pogroms. And the Pale. And the Inquisition. And it’s about the ships that America turned away from her shores with the full knowledge of what was happening at Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz, et al.

There is nowehere on this Earth that Jews have not been thrown out of, so they will have their own home.

Israel has the moral high ground. And even if it didn’t, it would continue to fight for it’s survival because the only other option, according to every single one of its neighbors, is complete destruction.

That wasn’t for you. I don’t care what you think you know.

You bring a gun, i’ll bring two guns. Maybe we’ll both die. What a doctrine to live by.

I know it’s not a fair war etc

The point is, Israel can’t have the moral high ground AND kill more than ten times what all terrorists in the world do. Or can they, in your eyes.

If what i wrote about pre-6 day war Palestinanian land being stolen is irrelevant, damn sure the pogroms are out. Did the arabs put the jews through that? NO

Give up, seriously. We should have 2 politics forums on here, 1) for belligerent yanks with no understanding and an endless supply of subjective ethical platitudes, and 2) for everyone else, where we can talk sense

[quote]harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

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Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin