[quote]legacyfighter wrote:
Friday, I maxed out on squats at 365, then moved on to rack pulls, i worked up to 385 with a conventional stance. I didnt feel like i got much of a workout from this, so i moved on to try sumo stance full deadlifting. I did 135x5 185x5 235x5 285x5 335x5 then pulled 405. So based on that, i think i am going to switch to pulling sumo. That was a 30lb+ PR, and i had never pulled sumo before.
Has anyone else seen these kinds of differences between pulling conventional and sumo, especially after it being your first time pulling sumo? Just wondering if this is somewhat normal.[/quote]
When I was newer to deadlifting and had a max under 400, I think my sumo was much higher without training for it. In fact, I may have first broken 4 plates with sumo. As my lifts got heavier, conventional became much stronger for me. OF course this could also be because I rarely train sumo.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
legacyfighter wrote:
Friday, I maxed out on squats at 365, then moved on to rack pulls, i worked up to 385 with a conventional stance. I didnt feel like i got much of a workout from this, so i moved on to try sumo stance full deadlifting. I did 135x5 185x5 235x5 285x5 335x5 then pulled 405. So based on that, i think i am going to switch to pulling sumo. That was a 30lb+ PR, and i had never pulled sumo before.
Has anyone else seen these kinds of differences between pulling conventional and sumo, especially after it being your first time pulling sumo? Just wondering if this is somewhat normal.
When I was newer to deadlifting and had a max under 400, I think my sumo was much higher without training for it. In fact, I may have first broken 4 plates with sumo. As my lifts got heavier, conventional became much stronger for me. OF course this could also be because I rarely train sumo.[/quote]
I think it often helps to look at a lifter’s squat to see if they would be more well suited for conventional or sumo. Those who have a very strong squat relative to their deadlift will often do better sumo because they are “squatting” the weight up more than bending to pick it up.
This of course depends on if the lifter is squatting deep enough. I used to think that my squat was relatively stronger than my deadlift, until I realized that I was squatting a couple inches too high for a good year and half, haha.
[quote]Matt McG wrote:
malonetd wrote:
legacyfighter wrote:
Friday, I maxed out on squats at 365, then moved on to rack pulls, i worked up to 385 with a conventional stance. I didnt feel like i got much of a workout from this, so i moved on to try sumo stance full deadlifting. I did 135x5 185x5 235x5 285x5 335x5 then pulled 405. So based on that, i think i am going to switch to pulling sumo. That was a 30lb+ PR, and i had never pulled sumo before.
Has anyone else seen these kinds of differences between pulling conventional and sumo, especially after it being your first time pulling sumo? Just wondering if this is somewhat normal.
When I was newer to deadlifting and had a max under 400, I think my sumo was much higher without training for it. In fact, I may have first broken 4 plates with sumo. As my lifts got heavier, conventional became much stronger for me. OF course this could also be because I rarely train sumo.
I think it often helps to look at a lifter’s squat to see if they would be more well suited for conventional or sumo. Those who have a very strong squat relative to their deadlift will often do better sumo because they are “squatting” the weight up more than bending to pick it up.
This of course depends on if the lifter is squatting deep enough. I used to think that my squat was relatively stronger than my deadlift, until I realized that I was squatting a couple inches too high for a good year and half, haha.
[/quote]
That makes sense. I have been squatting for longer than I had been deadlifting. My squat was probably pretty close to my pull when I started deadlifting seriously.
well i guess that could be it, since my squat is about 360, and my conventional deadlift was 375 or 385, but 405 sumo just seemed to go up easy, even after the full workout. So i think i am going to try maxing out on sumo next week.
For the next 3 weeks, i will just be working on Olympic lifts, Biceps, triceps, upper back, and other stuff to tighten up my shoulders. Also gonna work ALOT on overhead squats or whatever they are called, because that is definitely my limiting factor on Snatches right now.
After the 3 weeks though, I am going to start sheiko and see what that does for my Deadlift bench and squat.
PS sorry some of that was irrelevant, but it all has to do with how i will be starting my next deadlift cycle.
tried farmers walks for the first time yesterday… buddy from my gym brought in a pair of farmers handles… was able to go 150ft with 283 per hand, and my grip was solid throughout… than tried doing deadlifts with the farmers handles… worked up to 666lbs (333 per hand) for 1, but could of gone higher… decided to take it easy because im nursing a pulled hip flexor! im thinking i should break 6 plates next time i deadlift! and then break 600 in the next month or two!
[quote]mdivito wrote:
tried farmers walks for the first time yesterday… buddy from my gym brought in a pair of farmers handles… was able to go 150ft with 283 per hand, and my grip was solid throughout… than tried doing deadlifts with the farmers handles… worked up to 666lbs (333 per hand) for 1, but could of gone higher… decided to take it easy because im nursing a pulled hip flexor! im thinking i should break 6 plates next time i deadlift! and then break 600 in the next month or two![/quote]
That’s some real solid farmers numbers for a first time!
Friday I attempted to pull 585 but failed on both attempts. I was able to get it a few inches off the floor but that was about it. I didn’t feel that strong going in to lift and was somewhat fatigued from a Thursday night soccer match, but I still think that I am a ways away from 585. I guess I will focus on pulling 545 for singles until I can pull it for doubles and triples. If I can get to the point where I am pulling 545 for triples, then I should be able to pull 585.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I just bought a rack for my house so of course I had to test it out with some rack pulls today. My competition is next weekend so I didn’t get too crazy or heavy. I set the pins on the bottom hole which made it about a 16" pull. No straps or belt today. Worked up to 550 for a single and it went up fast and smooth. I decide that was heavy enough for today.
I might do a light, low volume, full body workout on Wednesday. Other than that, I’m resting up for the week.[/quote]
Did you have your competition this weekend? If so, how did you pull?
[quote]shawnhavoc wrote:
Did you have your competition this weekend? If so, how did you pull?[/quote]
I actually compete in strongman, not powerlifting. I hope I didn’t confuse anyone.
The competition went poorly, but there was no deadlift related event. I actually strained/tweaked my neck/traps on the second event and probably should have quit then, but decided to press on. The second event was a yoke walk, which by the way was a late notice event change, and I should have had them adjust the crossbar a notch or two lower, but didn’t. I ended up extending my neck to reach he bar and holding 600 pounds on the back of my neck. Not a good idea. I took a few steps and felt a creak go down the right side of my neck and upper back. Of course, like an idiot, I tried to keep going, but only got about 65 feet on an 80 foot course.
The next event was an incline log press for reps, and since there’s not a lot of upper back involved, I thought I would give it shot and see how I feel. I actually did alright in that event and tied for fourth. I was also feeling a little better so I tried the next event – the tire flip. The pain just came shooting back after the first flip. My upper back was done and I could barely turn my head. I ended up finishing dead last.
So now I’m resting and healing, I hope, before I start any training again. My next competition is in June and does have a pulling event. It’s an 18 inch deadlift for max weight. After that I will concentrate on regular pulls from the floor and try to hit this goal of 600.
[quote]shawnhavoc wrote:
Friday I attempted to pull 585 but failed on both attempts. I was able to get it a few inches off the floor but that was about it. I didn’t feel that strong going in to lift and was somewhat fatigued from a Thursday night soccer match, but I still think that I am a ways away from 585. I guess I will focus on pulling 545 for singles until I can pull it for doubles and triples. If I can get to the point where I am pulling 545 for triples, then I should be able to pull 585.[/quote]
I thought for sure you would get 585, better luck next time.
You definitely know how your body responds better than me, but I think some singles work will really do you some good.
The 525 for 2 is actually a pr. I was really worried about this workout when I started the Coan program, so I’m glad I got through it. I do the 525 for 2 again in three weeks, followed by 555 for 2 the next. That will be a challenge but with a month to prepare I’m confident I’ll get it.
I started to do some deadlifts with bands on my squat day last week. It felt great to lift with bands again, I haven’t had the chance to do it for a while. The effects were instant, it has already helped me to pull back instead of straight up. This isn’t usually a problem for me but it had been lately. As a result, my speed was suffering but I felt pretty quick today.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
shawnhavoc wrote:
Did you have your competition this weekend? If so, how did you pull?
I actually compete in strongman, not powerlifting. I hope I didn’t confuse anyone.
The competition went poorly, but there was no deadlift related event. I actually strained/tweaked my neck/traps on the second event and probably should have quit then, but decided to press on. The second event was a yoke walk, which by the way was a late notice event change, and I should have had them adjust the crossbar a notch or two lower, but didn’t. I ended up extending my neck to reach he bar and holding 600 pounds on the back of my neck. Not a good idea. I took a few steps and felt a creak go down the right side of my neck and upper back. Of course, like an idiot, I tried to keep going, but only got about 65 feet on an 80 foot course.
The next event was an incline log press for reps, and since there’s not a lot of upper back involved, I thought I would give it shot and see how I feel. I actually did alright in that event and tied for fourth. I was also feeling a little better so I tried the next event – the tire flip. The pain just came shooting back after the first flip. My upper back was done and I could barely turn my head. I ended up finishing dead last.
So now I’m resting and healing, I hope, before I start any training again. My next competition is in June and does have a pulling event. It’s an 18 inch deadlift for max weight. After that I will concentrate on regular pulls from the floor and try to hit this goal of 600.[/quote]
sucks you got hurt dude… its terrible being injured, i havent been able to squat for 3 weeks now because of my hip flexor… hearing about your comp has got me pumped though… ive been debating getting into powerlifting or strongman all year and i think im going to test the waters this summer… just trying to find some guys to train with
Figure I’d update my progress. Had a PLing meet yesterday and pulled 550 at 235 bw. I think if I really trained for it, I could get a 600 deadlift within the next two months, but my focus will be building up my squat. Nevertheless, I will still pull 600 easy before the end of the summer.
[quote]Pemdas wrote:
ME stands for max effort. It usually entails working up to a 1 RM or 3+ lifts over 90%. It is one of the primary strength training techniques used by the westside template.
[/quote]
so if i work up to a 1RM on one lift i dont havet to do 3 other lifts at 90%? and i can just finish my session with my acessory lifts right ?
i like to work up to a 1rm for the day, then do more pulls above 90% of that days max.
though what has worked great for me was picking a lift, working up to a 1rm and attempting to beat it the next week. then rotating exercises.
if im focusing on something though i do 8, 10, 6, 3… For instance start with rack pull above the knees, then bring it lower and lower till it reaches the floor (4th week) if lockout was my problem…5th week I’ll rep out on something usually Oly squats… and then move on to the next cycle.
Progress update. Last Monday I squatted for the first time in almost four months. I warmed up with 225 x 8 and then did 315 x 8 for three sets. I squat in more of an olympic style squat vs. powerlifting style. I followed with 3 sets of single leg squats for 10 reps/leg with 25 lb dumbells. Since I had not squatted for so long, I could barely walk all week long. When it came around to Friday when I usually DL, my legs still hurt. So I skipped my DL workout this week and went and hit a bucket of golf balls.
I plan on squatting again today so hopefully my legs will recover by Friday. I will be changing up my weight and reps today so I am sure they will still hurt plenty.
I finally got 600 (actually 606) at my last powerlifting meet. I wanted 622, but after consulting with my coaches and factoring in that I was finally deadlifting 10 hours after the meet began, I chose 606. (We did it outside too… the deadlift, that is. It took me about 9 months to get from 505 to 600 in the gym, mainly because I was not using the sumo DL very often. One of the things that has worked for me thus far is Mike Robertson’s modified 5x5 program. I used it for the squat and dl. It has worked so far. Also, I only use Titan briefs for my heavy because I can’t breathe in a tight suit. I really want at least 704 this year, and I have 2 meets left.