The Predator Program

[quote]1 Man Island wrote:
Couldn’t find the clip:

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?Lilly doesn?t like me,? Never says.

Louie agrees. ?Because you eat raw meat and s?t in the tub and always do weird things. If you keep doing those things, kids aren?t going to like you.?

?My Mom says whatever choice I make is the right one because I love myself.?

?Well, she?s wrong.?
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Are you implying I shit in the tub? I mean I pee in the shower but that’s normal…

Days 1 - 3

Fasting. No workouts.

Day 4

Weight 171 lbs

Squats, box depth, 175 lbs 1x50ish breathing set
Pull-ups, body weight, 1x40ish breathing set
Shoulder press, 90 lbs, 1x30ish breathing set

Supplemented 15g BCAA and 5g L-Glutamine peri-workout.

Meals - 3 lbs 85% ground beef, 1.5 lbs beef liver, 2 lbs eye of round roast

Consumed 3,200 mg Betaine-HCL prior to liver and roast meal

Video documentation

Don’t see this ending well.

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Putting the diet aside, I don’t understand the hard on for these breathing sets.

If you want a difficult endurance set, work up to (a total of) 15-20 reps with some heavy sets from 1-5 reps, then take a modest amount of weight off and go for ten reps or more straight. If you put your heart into the heavy sets the last set of ten WILL be hard – the mental kind of hard that tests your determination.

You have more ways to change variables and can progress the difficulty gradually and intelligently this way as well. A straight set of 40-50 reps has three variables…the weight on the bar, your time to finish the set, and the number of reps. I see progress stalling quickly.

And yes, depth dude, depth…

Yes I do have a hard on for breathing sets because I feel they push me harder than immediate failure, drop sets, and other techniques. There are many of the same variables to control and I’ll be changing a lot around.

I know I’m not going deep. I wasn’t going to work in depth until I adjust a little more to the routine. I was planning on going deep after I work up to 225 lbs and deload to 155 deep. Tonight it’s deadlifts, but even with deadlifts I plan on switching to rack pulls eventually which is still just a reduced ROM deadlift.

Damn. Despite all the jokes, I was seriously expecting some real hardcore vomit inducing breathing squats, given the masochistic nature of your planned diet. I was doing these high rep half squats as finishers in the past when training with old school bodybuilder friends. After a normal squat workout.

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Damn. Despite all the jokes, I was seriously expecting some real hardcore vomit inducing breathing squats, given the masochistic nature of your planned diet. I was doing these high rep half squats as finishers in the past when training with old school bodybuilder friends. After a normal squat workout.[/quote]

It’s not too easy to vomit after fasting for 80 hours but that’s also why I do them first. At the end I was getting a little queasy. I’ll try harder next time though…

Man, no offense, but based on what was on that vid (skipped around for maybe a minute) I wouldn’t have guessed you even lift. You don’t need to do all of this dumb shit you’re so intent on doing. You need to get out of your head, get on a proven program and eat like someone who wants to complement and enhance their training, not consistently spin their wheels in the name of “science”.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Man, no offense, but based on what was on that vid (skipped around for maybe a minute) I wouldn’t have guessed you even lift. You don’t need to do all of this dumb shit you’re so intent on doing. You need to get out of your head, get on a proven program and eat like someone who wants to complement and enhance their training, not consistently spin their wheels in the name of “science”.[/quote]

In the classifications of lifting being beginner, intermediate, advanced, and elite, I definitely consider myself an intermediate lifter. Not saying I’m the biggest or strongest, but to say that I don’t have notable strength or physique over the average non-lifter is BS.

Trust me I want critique it’s why I’m posting all my stuff here. I want to get better, but that’s just non-productive feedback.

Yes the point of doing something proven is well established, but proven routines didn’t get me the results I wanted. Clearly if you don’t think that I even have physique above a non-lifter. Maybe I haven’t done enough in the past. I understand that I could just do more, lift more, eat more, but that’s a very brute force approach. But my question is… What if I really did do enough and my body just didn’t respond?

It’s an experiment for a reason and to think that we’ve unlocked all the ways that every person on the planet will response to lifting, to me, is an arrogant mindset that would lead to stagnation of exercise sciences.

Well shit, I guess this wasn’t an elaborate troll job after all. There you are, eating a bunch of raw meat on camera. I’ll be watching to see how this plays out.

In the meantime, you should definitely grow a beard.

I admire your determination. I think this is profoundly stupid, though. We all have our opinions. But, I have a few suggestions to tweak your program that I think would still fit the spirit of the experiment:

  1. You should soon lower your protein and increase fat and micronutrients at your feasts. Try to scrape some raw marrow if you can. A larger variety of offal will also help (brains, tongue, kidneys, etc.). After a month of fasting/ketosis, you probably will only need about 1/3 protein you are currently consuming to maintain nitrogen balance. Fat should probably make up at least 70-80% of your calories if not more (but beware because large feasts of fat will give you some serious runs at first).

High spikes of protein consumption (looks like you are over 600g in a sitting) will make your fasting periods more difficult to adjust to, as your body will constantly be coming in and out of ketosis every 2 1/2 days or so. Also, long term high protein, moderate fat, no carb is a recipe for a lot of painful health problems, i.e. gout and various organ stones. Furthermore, skeletal muscle doesn’t offer as much in the way of micros as organ meat. It may taste better, but it’s pretty inferior within the context of the diet you are using.

Just one man’s opinion, though. Honestly, if I were running this experiment, I would probably consume a conservative but steady stream of pure fat on my “off” days since my body wouldn’t really know the difference and performance would be a lot better in the gym. Just some food for thought.

  1. You should periodize your training or at least add variety. I understand you like high-rep sets, and I agree you are getting a hell of a “work-out.” But, I think we can all agree that barbell work, aside from the great benefit it has for you, does not mimic animal behavior, so all of this is arbitrary. Besides fixing your horrible squat form, you will never get better or stronger at your breathing sets if you don’t include some heavier, lower-rep work. This is true for your pull ups, press, whatever.

Furthermore, predators, like humans, engage in a variety of physical activity, and you are ignoring vital energy systems. I hate to get all cross-fitty on you, but if your intention is to become an overall, predatory bad-ass, only training lactic threshold/glycolytic pathways make no sense. What about some phosphogen action? What about your aerobic system?

  1. Your squat form is only getting you partial results. You must realize this, right? Do you watch that video and believe that you are anywhere close to doing a 225 lb breathing set of 50 squats with good form? Fix your form with lower weight first, and then move up. There is no sense in moving up with inferior form and then trying to work back up later with good form. All you are doing is ingraining motor patterns that will be harder to break later. I guarantee your lungs and body will burn with equal intensity if you drop the weight and start over.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
In the classifications of lifting being beginner, intermediate, advanced, and elite, I definitely consider myself an intermediate lifter. Not saying I’m the biggest or strongest, but to say that I don’t have notable strength or physique over the average non-lifter is BS.
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It’s difficult to be objective about ones self.

[quote]twojarslave wrote:
Well shit, I guess this wasn’t an elaborate troll job after all. There you are, eating a bunch of raw meat on camera. I’ll be watching to see how this plays out.
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In the hospital…

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Yes the point of doing something proven is well established, but proven routines didn’t get me the results I wanted.[/quote]

How many proven diets did you try?

And I don’t mean “just eat more” or GOMAD… I mean… sit down and figure out macro requirements for each meal, meal frequency, picking the right carb sources, etc.

If you’re going to do this, I really think at the very least get a decent training routine. Do Doggcrapp training, has rest-pause, widowmakers, shit like that. Even only has you lifting 3x a week, so more flexibility with your whole fasting thingy.

[quote]Goldie4545 wrote:
skeletal muscle doesn’t offer as much in the way of micros as organ meat. It may taste better, but it’s pretty inferior within the context of the diet you are using. [/quote]
I eat one piece of organ meat on every eating day, usually 1lbs - 1.5lbs. It will commonly rotate between kidney and liver.

Agreed and I do intend to do this. Rep ranges will be between 30 - 60 reps as I adjust weight, stances, and ROM. I mentioned in another post I do plan on doing deep squats after I work up to 225 box depth and I’ll deload with 155 lbs. I also plan on changing the deadlift variation to rack pulls for a little too. Add in sumo, etc.

I know I’m not going full depth but again my plan was to work up in weight and deload for full depth. What else in my squat form needs correction?

[quote]LoRez wrote:
How many proven diets did you try?
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For workout methodologies I’ve mainly done Westside, HST, and GVT. My diets on these were very typical Berardi approved diets. Clean eating, planned meals, 4,000+ calories, pre- peri- and post workout nutrition, protein supplementation, etc.

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
If you’re going to do this, I really think at the very least get a decent training routine. Do Doggcrapp training, has rest-pause, widowmakers, shit like that. Even only has you lifting 3x a week, so more flexibility with your whole fasting thingy. [/quote]

The workout routine is experimental based on what I feel will help mimic a carnivores activity. I know it has it’s flaws.

I do plan on adding in numerous techniques. I love rest-pause too and will work that into it at some point.

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Congratulations. Trifecta! Good day.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]twojarslave wrote:
Well shit, I guess this wasn’t an elaborate troll job after all. There you are, eating a bunch of raw meat on camera. I’ll be watching to see how this plays out.
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In the hospital…[/quote]

I’ve consumed about 600 lbs of raw beef over the last 20 months and from all my YouTube videos the most common comment is how I’m going to die. Heh… Still fine and there are others like me who eat primarily raw meat too.