[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
If you had unlocked the secret to gaining muscle with a plan that put 26 pounds of lean mass on you in 7 weeks, why didn’t you just keep doing it?[/quote]
I don’t think I’ve done anything special, but again some people would say it’s not possible. As was just pointed out and I pointed out, this type of gain is only possible in a certain body state which in this case is recently a big decrease in lean mass.
I am looking for something special so I’m trying this. I know there are a lot of solid routines out there, but the reward I’ve seen from my efforts hasn’t matched up (IMHO). I know that I can use the brute force method but I don’t have the time for that, so as a scientist I’m looking for potential ways to illicit bigger gains for the time investment.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
If you had unlocked the secret to gaining muscle with a plan that put 26 pounds of lean mass on you in 7 weeks, why didn’t you just keep doing it?[/quote]
I know there are a lot of solid routines out there, but the reward I’ve seen from my efforts hasn’t matched up (IMHO).
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You had a routine in which you gained 26 pounds of muscle in 7 weeks and didn’t feel that the reward matched your efforts?
Hey, if you want to find a shortcut to getting super lean and muscular, great. Most of the people here are seeking that goal, and most of us have decided to enjoy the journey, acknowledging that consistent effort over time is far more likely to lead to success in the long run.
I look forward to you returning in late 2017 after a 1-year layoff at a body weight of 180 pounds, with a bench press of 275 and squat of 350, to tell us about your next big scheme.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
You had a routine in which you gained 26 pounds of muscle in 7 weeks and didn’t feel that the reward matched your efforts?[/quote]
For weight regain I’m on top of that like a champ, but for new gains no.
[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
I look forward to you returning in late 2017 after a 1-year layoff at a body weight of 180 pounds, with a bench press of 275 and squat of 350, to tell us about your next big scheme.[/quote]
Ouch… Well I’m not planning on divorce, gambling addiction, and drinking 80 beers a week again so I’m not anticipating to have to do a comeback again. I’m looking forward to seeing how the 90 days of this program goes myself…
When I was in high school, I knew a kid who just transferred into my school from Cairo. Their street fights pretty much worked exactly like that. You beat up a guy, you get his girlfriend.
He was an international level teen karate competitor. He also had 8 girlfriends before he moved to the US.[/quote]
Too bad they all had to have clitorectemies before they ever met the dude.
[quote]ishinator wrote:
You seem like a guy who cares more about perceived effort than results.[/quote]
Not at all. Perceived effort doesn’t mean jack, but if you objectively are putting in effort you may need to scientifically determine what to do differently. I put in a lot of effort but there are plenty who put in more.
I think the best way I can explain it is this… If you only make $40,000 a year you can only spend $40,000 a year to not go into debt right? So you have to budget… All your money is spent but you need to buy something new that costs $1,000. You have two options - go into debt or figure out how to get everything you already need with $39,000 a year instead. If I “go into debt” that means me taking away time from my wife and kids, my research, or my job - none of which I want to choose. Instead I’m choosing to try to find out how to get more out of what I have.
I want results. I’m trying to figure out a way to get everything I want. I don’t consider this a gimmick as I’m trying to base this on nature and scientific theory. Yes there are numerous ways to get there with what we know right now, but by no means does that mean what we’ve learned is the best. I do health and diet experiments, this is kind of my deal… I’m just rolling with what I do…
You’ve gotten a little defensive, probably without realizing it. No need to keep rationalizing why you’re doing it, especially to a bunch of strangers. Just do your thing, see how it works out, and learn as you go along. Your results, one way or another, will be evidence enough.
I think many of us are at least somewhat interested in what you find out. And I think I speak for most when I say “better you than me”.
(And if you do find something particularly noteworthy, I hope you actually do find a way to pursue it in a more rigorous manner with a larger study.)
[quote]LoRez wrote:
You’ve gotten a little defensive, probably without realizing it. No need to keep rationalizing why you’re doing it, especially to a bunch of strangers. Just do your thing, see how it works out, and learn as you go along. Your results, one way or another, will be evidence enough.
I think many of us are at least somewhat interested in what you find out. And I think I speak for most when I say “better you than me”.
(And if you do find something particularly noteworthy, I hope you actually do find a way to pursue it in a more rigorous manner with a larger study.)
When do you plan on starting?[/quote]
Perhaps I am defensive as a whole, but yes I’m definitely trying to defend the ideas scientifically. From a personal perspective I really don’t care, but the whole point was to be able to defend this scientifically and get ideas where the holes are in the theory. Since I do write about my theories and experiences I need to know what issues people will have with them. The health forums tend to be how I figure out how to best communicate my thoughts in my writing.
Thanks for the support, definitely. I’ll probably be looking at starting between May 5th and May 16th. I’ve got to set up all my measurements (blood work, DXA, BMR) and make sure my organ meat supplies are in order. If no one was interested I wasn’t going to do official measurements, but I think there’s enough interest + naysayers to make the measurements worthwhile.
I’m going to start out with a three day fast then get my DXA that way glycogen retention isn’t even a question. Body composition is of course an interest as well, but from my experiences I may just be better off with pictures because of the whole gain/regain issues.
I’m curious how my BMR is going to adapt to the cycle so I’m going to get it measured after fasting day and after an eating day in the beginning and end.
I’m also curious about Vitamin C levels before and after.
I’m not even interested in the results anymore, since it has become even more apparent that you don’t know shit about getting stuff done in the gym and physiology.
But yeah you got the attention you craved I guess…
[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
I’m not even interested in the results anymore, since it has become even more apparent that you don’t know shit about getting stuff done in the gym and physiology.
But yeah you got the attention you craved I guess…[/quote]
During my first few months of barbell training I was following the GOBAD method (Gallon Of Beer A Day).
I was able to deadlift 495 raw in less than five months from first picking up a barbell. Sure, I ate things like food and did things like sleep, but I think I’m on to some type of Belgian Monk barbell revolution that will take both the fitness and alcoholic communities by storm.
As a scientist, do you think I was able to this because of GOBAD, or in spite of GOBAD?
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
During my first few months of barbell training I was following the GOBAD method (Gallon Of Beer A Day).
I was able to deadlift 495 raw in less than five months from first picking up a barbell. Sure, I ate things like food and did things like sleep, but I think I’m on to some type of Belgian Monk barbell revolution that will take both the fitness and alcoholic communities by storm.
As a scientist, do you think I was able to this because of GOBAD, or in spite of GOBAD? [/quote]
As a scientist I’d say you’d have to do at least one more experiment to find out not using GOBAD. Then if it is determined it does matter you’d have to repeat the GOBAD experiment to validate the results.
Great. I haven’t been using GOBAD lately, and have only experienced a 20 lb increase on my deadlift and have a pesky problem of needing to buy new pants that fit me, as the MC Hammer look has not been popular in Maine for at least three or four years.
I’ll tell my girlfriend that some scientician from the internet named PureNsanity said I should start drinking tons of beer again.
Great. I haven’t been using GOBAD lately, and have only experienced a 20 lb increase on my deadlift and have a pesky problem of needing to buy new pants that fit me, as the MC Hammer look has not been popular in Maine for at least three or four years.
I’ll tell my girlfriend that some scientician from the internet named PureNsanity said I should start drinking tons of beer again.
All in the name of science, of course.
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Erotic stimulation can help testosterone production too, so get your girlfriend to start working at a strip joint. Have her and her co-workers dance for you regularly. Strip clubs almost always sell beer so make sure you’re getting your gallon while you’re there.
The most obvious flaw in looking at other animals is we’re not them. We have different genotypes, phenotypes, enzyme control, nutrien requirements, etc.Just eat proper food to supply you with the essential nutrients ratger than getting too fancy about it. Just standard meat, without liver, etc won’t be enough to supply everything long term.
There’s little wrong with fastinf, although humas don’t frequently fast for he majority of the time in hunter-gatherer societies, as we have limited digestion time, gut capacity, and so on. fasting for 24 hours every week or five days would be safer. Also the gorging thing: there are only limited transporters for various nutrients which can become saturated, so there’s a good chance you won’t absorb everything.
added to which most symporters require sodium to function, and you may be limiting your sodium intake ratio. At the least I woukd alter this plan to eat more thanfast, throw in small amounts of veg (doesn’t have to be a high intake), and add eggs and fish.