The Predator Program

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
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From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

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You don’t just get to read up on how to treat things and apply it to whoever you want. That’s a felony, bud.
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Saying something is a cure is a crime. Giving medical advice pretending to be a doctor is a crime. Giving advice on how to treat obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc. is not. Some states want to approach this but it’s not a crime as long as you’re not claiming you have credentials you don’t.
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Why are these people approaching you for advice on their medical condition? Is it because you have created the illusion of expertise/authority on the condition? The fact of the matter is, if these people die or get sick on your prescribed diet (that’s what it is), then you aren’t accountable to anyone. That’s what a license is for. That’s what the letters are for. That’s why doctors have to document everything they do.
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Have you ever visited other health forums? Holy crap go to the MyFitnessPal forums you’ll be in a for a field day… Think I’m bad??? You’ll be in for a shock…

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Unfortunately you also made claims (both implicit and explicit) about this being a good way to eat and train for performance and physique enhancement and then followed those claims up by saying you were an expert and pointing out that you try to sell your ideas to people. I’m pretty sure thats where you lost almost everyone. [/quote]

I only claimed to be an expert dieter and in nothing else.
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Expert dieter

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Im sure the gentleman above appreciated that you dropped the word “Apex” when you refer to your predator diet. We would not want to confused yours with his diet approach which he has written about for going on over two years on his blog…Even though yours seems oddly similar. .

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Have you ever visited other health forums? Holy crap go to the MyFitnessPal forums you’ll be in a for a field day… Think I’m bad??? You’ll be in for a shock…
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And most of us here have the good sense to recognize that we don’t have the necessary medical knowledge to diagnose people or help people deal with whatever diagnoses that their doctors made.

Anyone who does attempt this online, I consider a potentially dangerous individual who thinks too highly of themselves.

No matter how incompetent your doctor may be, he/she is still in better position to diagnose and treat a patient than some random internet person.

Fuck, in fact actual good doctors that I know of refuse flat-out to diagnose people unless they meet them in person. The reason should be obvious.

Point being- Those people who try to help people with medical issues are dangerous individuals. Just because you think you give better advice than random yokels on random health forums doesn’t mean that you should be giving medical advice online.

Point them to a doctor instead.

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Good grief…

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Good grief… [/quote]
You forgot picture Brick

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Good grief… [/quote]
You forgot picture Brick[/quote]

Lucy, where are my gains?

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Derek I added you on G+. I’ve never used G+ before so I don’t know what happens now, but you are for sure added.

OP, in my opinion (expert) your diet and exercise plan is the single most dangerous thing I’ve ever seen suggested to anyone, let alone a beginner. I don’t even care if it is effective, it is flat out dangerous. If anyone came to me suggesting anything you do I would advise they stop immediately. Your diet is probably in the order of thousands of times more likely to give someone an acute infection as opposed to a more traditional diet (traditional meaning food cooked according to established sanitary guidelines).

I don’t think it’s worth playing around with infection to manipulate body weight, be primal, or whatever else your reasons are. I anticipate the rebuttal of “well I haven’t been sick yet,” and will reply with the fact that I do not care if you haven’t been sick yet. I equate it to speeding everywhere you go, except for that’s not even a good analogy. At least with speeding you’ll get places faster so there’s at least a measurable benefit.

The high rep nonsense is equally as bad. We’re now trading off the risk of infection for the risk of injury. Beginners don’t need 50 reps of squats in a single set. Beginners need to develop quality movement patterns so they can safely and efficiently progress in strength. Taking someone who hasn’t established proper movement and telling them to do something as many times as possible is extremely dangerous. Thankfully, no one will ever attempt your program so we won’t have to wait on the injury data.

Further, you are not an expert on anything. If you wanted to be an expert you wouldn’t be so flippant about certification or licensure. If you want to be an expert, then play ball like everyone else and get the proper certification and implement your program on real people. Not doing so is dangerous to the client. Licenses, certifications, insurance, etc all exist to protect the client, not the professional.

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I added you man. You will get the hang of it, I started a thread introducing you

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Do you still not see what what we are saying? Why you? [/quote]

Your argument is centered around ad hominem and argument by authority. I want the material judged not myself. The question should be why your book? And quite frankly it’s not that you care to find out the reasons. There won’t be any answer I can provide that’s good enough.

What would be a good enough answer that you would change your mind about me as an author?
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If your answer was:

"Well, I think people should buy my book because here is what I used to look like insert picture of skinny fat nobody or extremely fat walrus looking mammoth of a person and this is what I look like a few years later insert photo of extremely jacked guy or lean guy or strong guy or just "celebrity beach bod Zac Effron body after trying all of these things out and doing all of these trials and experiments list off all of the things you’ve tried

I have also written nutritional plans for all these people, from stay at home soccer moms who want to lose that last 15 pounds of “baby weight,” to hard core crossfit athletes who have been training for a spot in the crossfit games, to a 40 year accountant who is an amature cyclist and competes in 100K races every other month and this is what they have to day… show before and after photos of these success stories along with a little exerpt endorsement from them saying how great you wee and how your simple, scientifically backed nutritional approaches changed their lives and their physiques for the better"

And then ramble on a little but about your specific idiolagies and approaches and what your thoughts on dieting and nutrition is.

If you gave an answer like that, I think most people in here would say “hmmm, seems like this guy knows what he’s talking about. Sounds legit.”

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Derek I added you on G+. I’ve never used G+ before so I don’t know what happens now, but you are for sure added.

OP, in my opinion (expert) your diet and exercise plan is the single most dangerous thing I’ve ever seen suggested to anyone, let alone a beginner. I don’t even care if it is effective, it is flat out dangerous. If anyone came to me suggesting anything you do I would advise they stop immediately. Your diet is probably in the order of thousands of times more likely to give someone an acute infection as opposed to a more traditional diet (traditional meaning food cooked according to established sanitary guidelines).

I don’t think it’s worth playing around with infection to manipulate body weight, be primal, or whatever else your reasons are. I anticipate the rebuttal of “well I haven’t been sick yet,” and will reply with the fact that I do not care if you haven’t been sick yet. I equate it to speeding everywhere you go, except for that’s not even a good analogy. At least with speeding you’ll get places faster so there’s at least a measurable benefit.

The high rep nonsense is equally as bad. We’re now trading off the risk of infection for the risk of injury. Beginners don’t need 50 reps of squats in a single set. Beginners need to develop quality movement patterns so they can safely and efficiently progress in strength. Taking someone who hasn’t established proper movement and telling them to do something as many times as possible is extremely dangerous. Thankfully, no one will ever attempt your program so we won’t have to wait on the injury data.

Further, you are not an expert on anything. If you wanted to be an expert you wouldn’t be so flippant about certification or licensure. If you want to be an expert, then play ball like everyone else and get the proper certification and implement your program on real people. Not doing so is dangerous to the client. Licenses, certifications, insurance, etc all exist to protect the client, not the professional.[/quote]

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

Admittedly my back arch went to utter crap at 345 lbs…[/quote]

It probably wouldn’t if you fixed your form.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Do you still not see what what we are saying? Why you? [/quote]

Your argument is centered around ad hominem and argument by authority. I want the material judged not myself. The question should be why your book? And quite frankly it’s not that you care to find out the reasons. There won’t be any answer I can provide that’s good enough.

What would be a good enough answer that you would change your mind about me as an author?
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If your answer was:

"Well, I think people should buy my book because here is what I used to look like insert picture of skinny fat nobody or extremely fat walrus looking mammoth of a person and this is what I look like a few years later insert photo of extremely jacked guy or lean guy or strong guy or just "celebrity beach bod Zac Effron body after trying all of these things out and doing all of these trials and experiments list off all of the things you’ve tried

I have also written nutritional plans for all these people, from stay at home soccer moms who want to lose that last 15 pounds of “baby weight,” to hard core crossfit athletes who have been training for a spot in the crossfit games, to a 40 year accountant who is an amature cyclist and competes in 100K races every other month and this is what they have to day… show before and after photos of these success stories along with a little exerpt endorsement from them saying how great you wee and how your simple, scientifically backed nutritional approaches changed their lives and their physiques for the better"

And then ramble on a little but about your specific idiolagies and approaches and what your thoughts on dieting and nutrition is.

If you gave an answer like that, I think most people in here would say “hmmm, seems like this guy knows what he’s talking about. Sounds legit.”[/quote]

To put this very simply for the OP, and correct me if I’m wrong, greg, a sample size n=1 never has and never will be adequate to prove or disprove a theory. You haven’t produced quantifiable results, and you haven’t shown quantifiable results in a larger sample size. As such, your claims have no authority.

I’m a PhD level scientist. I have a handful of peer-reviewed publications and work with a million dollar annual budget. I can couple hand waving nonsensical theories with out-of-context excerpts from literature, but no one gives a shit unless I have hard proof that the hand waving theories are actually sound and repeatable under a variety of conditions.

If you truly believe your experiments have merit, find a couple of willing participants (who you should probably get to sign consent forms) and objectively measure their results. Then, write about it and people will give you credit.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

If your answer was:

"Well, I think people should buy my book because here is what I used to look like insert picture of skinny fat nobody or extremely fat walrus looking mammoth of a person and this is what I look like a few years later insert photo of extremely jacked guy or lean guy or strong guy or just "celebrity beach bod Zac Effron body after trying all of these things out and doing all of these trials and experiments list off all of the things you’ve tried

I have also written nutritional plans for all these people, from stay at home soccer moms who want to lose that last 15 pounds of “baby weight,” to hard core crossfit athletes who have been training for a spot in the crossfit games, to a 40 year accountant who is an amature cyclist and competes in 100K races every other month and this is what they have to day… show before and after photos of these success stories along with a little exerpt endorsement from them saying how great you wee and how your simple, scientifically backed nutritional approaches changed their lives and their physiques for the better"

And then ramble on a little but about your specific idiolagies and approaches and what your thoughts on dieting and nutrition is.

If you gave an answer like that, I think most people in here would say “hmmm, seems like this guy knows what he’s talking about. Sounds legit.”[/quote]

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Derek I added you on G+. I’ve never used G+ before so I don’t know what happens now, but you are for sure added.

OP, in my opinion (expert) your diet and exercise plan is the single most dangerous thing I’ve ever seen suggested to anyone, let alone a beginner. I don’t even care if it is effective, it is flat out dangerous. If anyone came to me suggesting anything you do I would advise they stop immediately. Your diet is probably in the order of thousands of times more likely to give someone an acute infection as opposed to a more traditional diet (traditional meaning food cooked according to established sanitary guidelines).

I don’t think it’s worth playing around with infection to manipulate body weight, be primal, or whatever else your reasons are. I anticipate the rebuttal of “well I haven’t been sick yet,” and will reply with the fact that I do not care if you haven’t been sick yet. I equate it to speeding everywhere you go, except for that’s not even a good analogy. At least with speeding you’ll get places faster so there’s at least a measurable benefit.

The high rep nonsense is equally as bad. We’re now trading off the risk of infection for the risk of injury. Beginners don’t need 50 reps of squats in a single set. Beginners need to develop quality movement patterns so they can safely and efficiently progress in strength. Taking someone who hasn’t established proper movement and telling them to do something as many times as possible is extremely dangerous. Thankfully, no one will ever attempt your program so we won’t have to wait on the injury data.

Further, you are not an expert on anything. If you wanted to be an expert you wouldn’t be so flippant about certification or licensure. If you want to be an expert, then play ball like everyone else and get the proper certification and implement your program on real people. Not doing so is dangerous to the client. Licenses, certifications, insurance, etc all exist to protect the client, not the professional.[/quote]

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[quote]PulsedEE wrote:
To put this very simply for the OP, and correct me if I’m wrong, greg, a sample size n=1 never has and never will be adequate to prove or disprove a theory. [/quote]

While an n=1 will never be proof that doesn’t mean it isn’t valid evidence or a data point. There have been numerous people with n=1 experiments that have impacted the nation to include Joe Cross, Tom Naughton, Morgan Spurlock, and Mark Haub to name a few… It’s just when the results match the already expected outcomes of people they accept it easily. Conversely when the results don’t match people’s expected outcome they tend to refute it with vigor.

My experiments are a bit against the grain, I’m not looking for or expecting them to be instantly accepted. I’m looking to learn and start discussions.

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Morgan Spurlock is a fraud and misrepresented a lot of his data. Watch Fat Head to see n=1 lose something like 25 pounds and lower all of his risk factors eating only McDonalds for a month.

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[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Morgan Spurlock is a fraud and misrepresented a lot of his data. Watch Fat Head to see n=1 lose something like 25 pounds and lower all of his risk factors eating only McDonalds for a month.[/quote]

Tom Naughton is the guy who did “Fat Head” that I already referenced. Both experiments have issues admittedly Morgan Spurlock had a lot more. Both impacted a lot of people though. But what’s really funny is you just refuted a n=1 experiment with another n=1 experiment. Guess I know where your beliefs sit on this issue. Heh…

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Morgan Spurlock is a fraud and misrepresented a lot of his data. Watch Fat Head to see n=1 lose something like 25 pounds and lower all of his risk factors eating only McDonalds for a month.[/quote]

Tom Naughton is the guy who did “Fat Head” that I already referenced. Both experiments have issues admittedly Morgan Spurlock had a lot more. Both impacted a lot of people though. But what’s really funny is you just refuted a n=1 experiment with another n=1 experiment. Guess I know where your beliefs sit on this issue. Heh…[/quote]
You know who else had flaws and impacted a lot of poeple? Hitler.

Boom, SCIENCED.

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
Morgan Spurlock is a fraud and misrepresented a lot of his data. Watch Fat Head to see n=1 lose something like 25 pounds and lower all of his risk factors eating only McDonalds for a month.[/quote]

Tom Naughton is the guy who did “Fat Head” that I already referenced. Both experiments have issues admittedly Morgan Spurlock had a lot more. Both impacted a lot of people though. But what’s really funny is you just refuted a n=1 experiment with another n=1 experiment. Guess I know where your beliefs sit on this issue. Heh…[/quote]

I don’t even know where to begin responding to this.

I don’t have “beliefs” on this issue.

I know your program is dangerous and will eventually injure or infect anyone who does it.

I think you should be arrested for treating people with endocrine disorders.

I believe in God.