The Predator Program

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Oh my God - just stop! It doesn’t fucking matter - you treat hypoglycemia the same FUCKING WAY!

http://www.drugs.com/cg/non-diabetic-hypoglycemia.html[/quote]

You do understand that’s for an immediate drop in blood sugar and not a long term plan right? Hypoglycemia for diabetics is more severe and potentially life threatening too. The simple sugars are a quick fix in case of a sudden drop, but using low-carb diets helps treat it continually.

Do you know what gluconeogenesis is?

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pennstate29 wrote:
Cliff notes of this thread (correct me if I am wrong):

-OP ran his own program dubbed the predator program.

-Unclear if it worked or not?

-Clear his bench, squat and bench suck still?

-Everyone asking for validity for basis of his program

-Good video games discussed

[/quote]

You missed the part where OP has been diagnosing and treating patients.[/quote]
Yea some of us have to have a state license to do this…who could that be?

Did you move? Its been awhile since I spoke to you.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
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From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

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What is that someones dissertation?[/quote]

Possibly. There aren’t a lot of studies on hypoglycemia, but it’s someone who’s got more credentials than me (a.k.a. just saying I’m not pulling this out of my ass). Low-carb diets are overall pretty well time tested for stabilizing blood sugar levels. It’s not a topic that’s very controversial. Except in that doctor’s mind who thought Gatorade and Snickers was the trick to curing it…
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How did you determine this was a reputable source?[/quote]

I read it and several of the references. Cross checked it with all the other info on hypoglycemia I have.

And by the way I wasn’t doing any diagnosis. The people were asking for diet advice after being diagnosed with hypoglycemia.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Oh my God - just stop! It doesn’t fucking matter - you treat hypoglycemia the same FUCKING WAY!

http://www.drugs.com/cg/non-diabetic-hypoglycemia.html[/quote]

You do understand that’s for an immediate drop in blood sugar and not a long term plan right? Hypoglycemia for diabetics is more severe and potentially life threatening too. The simple sugars are a quick fix in case of a sudden drop, but using low-carb diets helps treat it continually.

Do you know what gluconeogenesis is?[/quote]

Now you’ve wandered into the wrong area… I’m paid to know about this stuff. Obviously that’s for an immediate drop in blood sugar… AKA TREATING HYPOGLYCEMIA. What you are try to talk about is PREVENTING HYPOGLYCEMIA which is a very, very different thing. Posting how to treat a life treating problem with the wrong info is irresponsible. Pseudo-scientist or not.

Fuck it. I give up.

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Fuck it. I give up.[/quote]
Lol

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

Saying something is a cure is a crime. Giving medical advice pretending to be a doctor is a crime. Giving advice on how to treat obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc. is not.
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ONLY IF (and I haven’t checked every single State) you have had actual specific education on nutritional practices. ie. “Personal Trainers” cannot give out dietary advice under their “trainer” title.

So aside from not being an MD, RD … what has your actual education (informal as it may be) been?

S

Forum: “You know nothing about hypoglycemia because you don’t have credentials.”

Me: “Well this is general advice that has scientific backing.”

Forum: “F*** YOU I KNOW MORE THAN YOU!!! Skinny asshole I have socks that bench more than you! RAARRRR!!”

LOL

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pennstate29 wrote:
Cliff notes of this thread (correct me if I am wrong):

-OP ran his own program dubbed the predator program.

-Unclear if it worked or not?

-Clear his bench, squat and bench suck still?

-Everyone asking for validity for basis of his program

-Good video games discussed

[/quote]

You missed the part where OP has been diagnosing and treating patients.[/quote]
Yea some of us have to have a state license to do this…who could that be?

Did you move? Its been awhile since I spoke to you. [/quote]

Still in Corpus. Marketing and the business aspects of running a practice are much more difficult than anticipated but it makes a little more sense every day. It’s a bit difficult to find patients here who are willing to take an active role in their healthcare. I did finally get on as the team doc for the small Catholic high school which should be a good experience.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
[/quote]

From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

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What is that someones dissertation?[/quote]

Possibly. There aren’t a lot of studies on hypoglycemia, but it’s someone who’s got more credentials than me (a.k.a. just saying I’m not pulling this out of my ass). Low-carb diets are overall pretty well time tested for stabilizing blood sugar levels. It’s not a topic that’s very controversial. Except in that doctor’s mind who thought Gatorade and Snickers was the trick to curing it…
[/quote]

How did you determine this was a reputable source?[/quote]

I read it and several of the references. Cross checked it with all the other info on hypoglycemia I have.
[/quote]

Did you look for information that contradicts the paper you posted?

Like:
Hypoglycemia (Low Blood Sugar) in People Without Diabetes

“You can treat a sudden (acute) episode of hypoglycemia by eating or drinking some form of sugar to return your blood sugar to a normal range.”

or

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/tutorials/hypoglycemia/db099105.pdf

or

http://www.uofmmedicalcenter.org/healthlibrary/Article/116196EN

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]pennstate29 wrote:
Cliff notes of this thread (correct me if I am wrong):

-OP ran his own program dubbed the predator program.

-Unclear if it worked or not?

-Clear his bench, squat and bench suck still?

-Everyone asking for validity for basis of his program

-Good video games discussed

[/quote]

You missed the part where OP has been diagnosing and treating patients.[/quote]
Yea some of us have to have a state license to do this…who could that be?

Did you move? Its been awhile since I spoke to you. [/quote]

Still in Corpus. Marketing and the business aspects of running a practice are much more difficult than anticipated but it makes a little more sense every day. It’s a bit difficult to find patients here who are willing to take an active role in their healthcare. I did finally get on as the team doc for the small Catholic high school which should be a good experience.
[/quote]
I still have a few contacts down there look me up on G+ Derek Timbs

I remember what you were doing and was not sure if you made the move. Get in touch with me maybe I can get you with a few Docs and some schools.

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Oh my God - just stop! It doesn’t fucking matter - you treat hypoglycemia the same FUCKING WAY!

http://www.drugs.com/cg/non-diabetic-hypoglycemia.html[/quote]

You do understand that’s for an immediate drop in blood sugar and not a long term plan right? Hypoglycemia for diabetics is more severe and potentially life threatening too. The simple sugars are a quick fix in case of a sudden drop, but using low-carb diets helps treat it continually.

Do you know what gluconeogenesis is?[/quote]

Now you’ve wandered into the wrong area… I’m paid to know about this stuff. Obviously that’s for an immediate drop in blood sugar… AKA TREATING HYPOGLYCEMIA. What you are try to talk about is PREVENTING HYPOGLYCEMIA which is a very, very different thing. Posting how to treat a life treating problem with the wrong info is irresponsible. Pseudo-scientist or not.
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Here’s my opening paragraph, it words it better:

Iâ??m hypoglycemic, what can I do?

Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) can be prevented with a high protein/high fat diet to stabilize blood sugar levels. Just make sure to keep some fruit or other high glycemic carbohydrate on hand if you have a sudden drop in blood sugar.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Do you still not see what what we are saying? Why you? [/quote]

Your argument is centered around ad hominem and argument by authority. I want the material judged not myself. The question should be why your book? And quite frankly it’s not that you care to find out the reasons. There won’t be any answer I can provide that’s good enough.

What would be a good enough answer that you would change your mind about me as an author?
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I can’t answer for anyone else, but I know personally I’d only trust someone who could show that their methods have produced good results for themselves and/ or for others. The more “far out” their recommendations, the more impressive the results would need to be for me to take them seriously.

Also, I think a lot of people are going to have a hard time accepting advice about diet, training, or anything related to physical fitness from someone who calls themselves an expert but who weighs 150 lbs and has lifts at your level. ESPECIALLY if they themselves admit that they’ve made little to no progress in the years that it’s taken for them to accumulate their “expertise.”

Maybe if 6 months ago you weighed 80 lbs and were so weak that you couldn’t walk on your own people would be interested in hearing how you’ve made the progress that you have. Unfortunately that doesn’t seem to be the case. [/quote]

With 66% of the population being overweight and obese, 30% who are dieting at all times, the 500,000+ people dying of CVD every year, 8% who are diabetic, 35% who are insulin resistant, and numerous other health conditions most people are just trying to get to my level. I’m healthy, happy, got a ton of energy, and regardless of me being only 158 lbs right now I’m fit.

For the last 2.5 years I’ve been doing experiments on health. I haven’t been trying to work on my 1RMs or physique. My knowledge base is in health concerns like cholesterol and insulin resistance. In that regard I’ve been able to drop my cholesterol by 204 mg/dL in 23 days, and my fasting glucose by 20 mg/dL in 28 days. At my heaviest I was 205 lbs so I have experience losing weight too (coincidentally that’s when I had my PRs too).

I can tell you that studies artificially raising HDL haven’t shown any benefit to reducing incidence of CVD.

I can explain the results from the IOM study on sodium and why the 2,300mg CDC recommendation for sodium limit is bunk.

Etc.[/quote]

Fine. You know how to reduce your cholesterol and fasting glucose. Those things are important, but you realize that you’re posting in a forum about performance and physique enhancement, right? You also seem to imply and other times outright claim that you believe your program is good for these goals (“I propose that if we mimic activity and diet close to a predator’s activity and diet that there may be some significant health and strength benefits.”) So far it seems like at least the strength portion of your hypothesis is very false.

Someone claiming to be a self-educated expert in dieting while sporting a sub-par physique and level of strength just isn’t going to get a very good reception from a bunch of people who care about improving their physique or performance. You can say “but I’m not an expert at THAT kind of dieting” all you want and it’s not going to make too much difference.

That said, had you posted here saying that you’re doing this experiment solely to see what effects it would have on your cholesterol, fasting glucose levels, and other health markers I bet you would have gotten a lot less flack. Unfortunately you also made claims (both implicit and explicit) about this being a good way to eat and train for performance and physique enhancement and then followed those claims up by saying you were an expert and pointing out that you try to sell your ideas to people. I’m pretty sure thats where you lost almost everyone.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Forum: “You know nothing about hypoglycemia because you don’t have credentials.”

Me: “Well this is general advice that has scientific backing.”

Forum: “F*** YOU I KNOW MORE THAN YOU!!! Skinny asshole I have socks that bench more than you! RAARRRR!!”

LOL[/quote]

You do realize that people are questioning more your ability to interpret the material and your ability to give advice more than the information you posted itself?

And people are questioning you because of this very thread. You started this thread on the basis that the normal shit isn’t working for you. Now we have probable cause to believe that you just did the normal shit wrong.

If you do the normal shit wrong and don’t have the capacity to recognize that you did the normal shit wrong and fix it, then why should we believe that you have the ability to interpret and properly deal with any other information you read?

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
[/quote]

From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

[/quote]

What is that someones dissertation?[/quote]

Possibly. There aren’t a lot of studies on hypoglycemia, but it’s someone who’s got more credentials than me (a.k.a. just saying I’m not pulling this out of my ass). Low-carb diets are overall pretty well time tested for stabilizing blood sugar levels. It’s not a topic that’s very controversial. Except in that doctor’s mind who thought Gatorade and Snickers was the trick to curing it…
[/quote]

How did you determine this was a reputable source?[/quote]

I read it and several of the references. Cross checked it with all the other info on hypoglycemia I have.
[/quote]

Did you look for information that contradicts the paper you posted?

Like:
Hypoglycemia (Low Blood Sugar) in People Without Diabetes

“You can treat a sudden (acute) episode of hypoglycemia by eating or drinking some form of sugar to return your blood sugar to a normal range.”

or

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/tutorials/hypoglycemia/db099105.pdf

or

http://www.uofmmedicalcenter.org/healthlibrary/Article/116196EN

[/quote]

Yes, and again the confusion is in the forum I haven’t done all the editing I need to on the verbiage. Hypoglycemia is best treated with high GI foods while symptoms can be preventing with vegetable and fat/protein based diets. I worded it differently in the book too.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
[/quote]

From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

[/quote]

You don’t just get to read up on how to treat things and apply it to whoever you want. That’s a felony, bud.
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Saying something is a cure is a crime. Giving medical advice pretending to be a doctor is a crime. Giving advice on how to treat obesity, insulin resistance, diabetes, high cholesterol, etc. is not. Some states want to approach this but it’s not a crime as long as you’re not claiming you have credentials you don’t.
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Why are these people approaching you for advice on their medical condition? Is it because you have created the illusion of expertise/authority on the condition? The fact of the matter is, if these people die or get sick on your prescribed diet (that’s what it is), then you aren’t accountable to anyone. That’s what a license is for. That’s what the letters are for. That’s why doctors have to document everything they do.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
[/quote]

From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

[/quote]

What is that someones dissertation?[/quote]

Possibly. There aren’t a lot of studies on hypoglycemia, but it’s someone who’s got more credentials than me (a.k.a. just saying I’m not pulling this out of my ass). Low-carb diets are overall pretty well time tested for stabilizing blood sugar levels. It’s not a topic that’s very controversial. Except in that doctor’s mind who thought Gatorade and Snickers was the trick to curing it…
[/quote]

How did you determine this was a reputable source?[/quote]

I read it and several of the references. Cross checked it with all the other info on hypoglycemia I have.
[/quote]

Did you look for information that contradicts the paper you posted?

Like:
Hypoglycemia (Low Blood Sugar) in People Without Diabetes

“You can treat a sudden (acute) episode of hypoglycemia by eating or drinking some form of sugar to return your blood sugar to a normal range.”

or

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/tutorials/hypoglycemia/db099105.pdf

or

http://www.uofmmedicalcenter.org/healthlibrary/Article/116196EN

[/quote]

Yes, and again the confusion is in the forum I haven’t done all the editing I need to on the verbiage. Hypoglycemia is best treated with high GI foods while symptoms can be preventing with vegetable and fat/protein based diets. I worded it differently in the book too.[/quote]

I’m fine with explanation. Can you answer this now:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Have you successfully applied your methods to anyone that resulted in that person become a leaner, stronger, and/or healthier person?[/quote]

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
There’s fallacy in this as well. Your approach you’ve outlined can help prevent hypoglycemia. Treating hypoglycemia does not involve vegetables and fat/protein. Someone exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms, or with actual low readings is not treated with a green pepper and sausage. Stop trying to kill people. Now you’re just being reckless.
[/quote]

From http://www.logan.edu/mm/files/LRC/Senior-Research/2003-Dec-34.pdf

[/quote]

I don’t think you know how to read.

The word raw doesn’t apply to all of those types of food.

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Unfortunately you also made claims (both implicit and explicit) about this being a good way to eat and train for performance and physique enhancement and then followed those claims up by saying you were an expert and pointing out that you try to sell your ideas to people. I’m pretty sure thats where you lost almost everyone. [/quote]

Actually I never made claims this was a good way. I’ve continually said that I don’t have specific physique goals for this experiment, that I’m doing it just to see what happens, since it works in nature it might work for people whether optimal or not, and there are scientific reasons why it may have benefit particularly with weight loss.

I did say that traditional methods hadn’t worked for me and yes some of it (if not all) could have very well been from needing to address form in the basic lifts.

I only claimed to be an expert dieter and in nothing else.