The Predator Program

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Not what it says before or after it, just this part. It doesn’t matter what you say… it has nothing to do with what you say or they say… it has to do with this belief in that your assessments, your information, your knowledge is superior.[/quote]

How is saying that I give better advice than several nutritionists a sign of superiority? I’m not saying I’m smarter than all of them, but there are a lot of nutritionists spouting nonsense.

Oh wow look at me I’m saying I’m smarter than some people in the world, that makes much such an arrogant prick. HA!

Ok OP, your Deadlift technique needs a lot of work.

Like others have said?", your grip is too wide and your stance is somewhere between sumo width and conventional. Either move yor feet in or commit to going full sumo. The “straight from behind up skirt ass shot” isn’t the best angle for critiquing deadlifting form but you appear to be too far over the bar when you begin your pull. Not sure if your weight is on your toes or not (probably is because of the akward set up and forward lean) but it shouldn’t be. Next, don’t “jerk” the bar up. The bar is going to have slack in it (some flex) so make sure to smoothly pull everything taught before beginning your actual pull. You don’t want to jerk that flack out and hurt yourself.

Don’t do that hard hip thrust hyper extension move to finish off your pull. it’s not going to be doing you any favors. You aren’t trying to penetrate the cervix after each Deadlift and can lock out and finish your pull without that last final violent pelvic thrust. Don’t lower the weights so slowly. You don’t have to drop it but going that slow is probably going to lead to a strain.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
But really, why are you doing this? Why does that matter so much to you? Why do you feel a need to make a name for yourself? Why do you feel such a need to save face on a public forum like this?[/quote]

Really? I think I’ve stated why I’m doing this a dozen different ways already. I’m observing this diet and eating patterns effects on BMR, LBM, cholesterol, and vitamin levels. That’s why.[/quote]
That’s a what, not a why.

I really don’t know what to say to this. I’d tell you to reread most of the posts of the posts you’ve written, including this one, but I still don’t think you’d see it.

[quote]I’m looking for advice and tips on my lifts. Also bearing the punishment of attack and insult is going to make me better. Plus I figured someone else here may be interested in the experiment so I share. That’s why I’m hear. I disseminate a lot of my other work and ideas, but since the last 2.5 years was focused on diet, nutrition, and health alone I didn’t come here. This is a forum for reaching advanced physique and strength not beating obesity or overall health. This experiment is my first one that incorporates exercise as a variable.
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Ok. But that’s not the question I asked.

The question I asked could also be stated as “what are you trying to prove?”, which is better stated as “why are you trying to prove anything in the first place?”[/quote]

That’s a what and a why. I want to know how those variables react so I’m doing this to experiment to see. Haven’t you ever wondered what would happen if you did something different? So you did it simply to observe the results?

I’m not trying to prove anything. I’m trying to observe and learn.

[quote]gregron wrote:
Ok OP, your Deadlift technique needs a lot of work.

Like others have said?", your grip is too wide and your stance is somewhere between sumo width and conventional. Either move yor feet in or commit to going full sumo. The “straight from behind up skirt ass shot” isn’t the best angle for critiquing deadlifting form but you appear to be too far over the bar when you begin your pull. Not sure if your weight is on your toes or not (probably is because of the akward set up and forward lean) but it shouldn’t be. Next, don’t “jerk” the bar up. The bar is going to have slack in it (some flex) so make sure to smoothly pull everything taught before beginning your actual pull. You don’t want to jerk that flack out and hurt yourself.

Don’t do that hard hip thrust hyper extension move to finish off your pull. it’s not going to be doing you any favors. You aren’t trying to penetrate the cervix after each Deadlift and can lock out and finish your pull without that last final violent pelvic thrust. Don’t lower the weights so slowly. You don’t have to drop it but going that slow is probably going to lead to a strain.[/quote]

Got it. Points taken. Will work on these. Thanks.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Oh wow look at me I’m saying I’m smarter than some people in the world, that makes much such an arrogant prick. HA![/quote]

In the context of “you should listen to me because I’m smarter than them”… it kind of does.

But again, why the defensiveness? (An example of what I meant by “saving face” as I put it earlier.)

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Oh wow look at me I’m saying I’m smarter than some people in the world, that makes much such an arrogant prick. HA![/quote]

In the context of “you should listen to me because I’m smarter than them”… it kind of does.

But again, why the defensiveness? (An example of what I meant by “saving face” as I put it earlier.)[/quote]

It’s not defensive, it’s funny to me. Believe it or not I enjoy this thread for several reasons.

When I ask people to provide scientific and credible rebuttals and people say things like they have socks older than me that’s why, it’s f***in funny.

And it’s not as much smarter as due diligence. I spent 2.5 years experimenting, researching studies, and listening to beginners questions and problems with diet… Are there many people in the field smarter than me? Of course. Are there people in T-Nation smarter than me? Of course. But that doesn’t mean I didn’t put together a well collected, organized source for beginners that is scientifically supported.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.
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This is tough. You aren’t getting it.

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.
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This is tough. You aren’t getting it.[/quote]

Maybe we can walk through this one…

Do you agree or disagree that sometimes credentialed doctors and nutritionists give really bad, unscientific advice?

You know there are plenty of doctors and nutritionists who say anything other than vegan diets are crap and you’re killing yourself. Do you agree or disagree that a vegan diet is the optimal diet for everyone?

Checking in since I was one of the people asking for footage of your maxes. First off, I will say that you are definitely moving more weight than I expected you to be, so kudos to you for that. The numbers aren’t impressive in and of themselves, but for a guy who only eats every third day they’re not bad. However, your technique on all of those lifts leaves A LOT to be desired (as you seem to know).

Personally, I think you’d benefit from doing straight sets with lower reps and a sub maximal load over your current lifting protocol. Doing extremely high rep extended sets is just going to reinforce lousy technique since it’s tough to focus on technique once fatigue sets in. A 5x5 protocol seems much more up your alley, or even a 6x3 or 4x6. Just NOT 45+ rep sets of everything.

As far as specific things to try to fix with your lifts:

Deadlifts: these are rough. To be blunt, it doesn’t look like you’re deadlifting as much as your just picking the bar off the ground with your low back – even at the lower weights. People have already covered that your hands and feet are too wide, and thats definitely true. But beyond that, you need to learn how to hip hinge so your hamstrings and glutes are what drive the movement rather than your low back.

This is hard to explain in writing, so I suggest you watch many technique videos and repeatedly film yourself from the side until you have it right. Honestly how you’ve gone this long deadlifting like that without hurting yourself is beyond me. Fixing it should be a top priority.

Bench: Nice grind for sure. Your stubbornness shows through in that video, which is good. However, I personally wouldn’t count that as my 1RM if I were you, since your butt comes off the bench and you bounce the bar off your chest to get it up.

Your setups needs work as it looks like you’re just lying flat on the bench and pressing the bar – there doesn’t appear to be any tension in your upper back or legs, and your feet aren’t set in such a way that you can created that tension without lifting your butt up into the air. Again, it looks like you would benefit from a technique overhaul.

Dave Tate has a great video series called “So You Think You Can Bench” that covers in great detail a more powerlifting-specific bench technique, but if that’s not your interest I suggest you look to Mark Rippetoe’s instructions on bench technique.

Pullups: Good strength on these, but unfortunately they don’t really count. Get your chin over the bar my man.

Odd question but do you ever come to Chicago?

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.
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This is tough. You aren’t getting it.[/quote]

Maybe we can walk through this one…

Do you agree or disagree that sometimes credentialed doctors and nutritionists give really bad, unscientific advice?

You know there are plenty of doctors and nutritionists who say anything other than vegan diets are crap and you’re killing yourself. Do you agree or disagree that a vegan diet is the optimal diet for everyone?
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This is fucking brutal. You do not get it.

Heading home now but I’ll reply when I’m back. I think we can work through this to get down to “why you”

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.
[/quote]
This is tough. You aren’t getting it.[/quote]

Maybe we can walk through this one…

Do you agree or disagree that sometimes credentialed doctors and nutritionists give really bad, unscientific advice?

You know there are plenty of doctors and nutritionists who say anything other than vegan diets are crap and you’re killing yourself. Do you agree or disagree that a vegan diet is the optimal diet for everyone?
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This is fucking brutal. You do not get it.
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lol, I know. He’s proving the point people are trying to make. I’m going to try to break it down soon.

Not to target this thread specifically as it’s already taken a vicious beating and is nothing more than entertainment fodder that we haven’t seen around here since a certain delusional individual departed, but it really does shed more light on the current state of affairs in the fitness world thanks to the internet.

Anyone can go online, start reading and quoting studies and drawing their own conclusions. Sure there have been some studies in recent years suggesting it’s untrue that the long held belief about 6 small meals affects metabolic rate in a positive manner. And yet, even in light of these studies, you will still find very successful coaches and athletes following their old recommendation for other reasons.

Quite an explosion online/pub-med-reading/experts screaming online about how these successful performance or physique athletes are “wrong” though, and yet none of them are really changing the successful protocols they’ve always used.

S

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.
[/quote]
This is tough. You aren’t getting it.[/quote]

Maybe we can walk through this one…

Do you agree or disagree that sometimes credentialed doctors and nutritionists give really bad, unscientific advice?

You know there are plenty of doctors and nutritionists who say anything other than vegan diets are crap and you’re killing yourself. Do you agree or disagree that a vegan diet is the optimal diet for everyone?
[/quote]

This is fucking brutal. You do not get it.
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lol, I know. He’s proving the point people are trying to make. I’m going to try to break it down soon.[/quote]
ahahahahahhahhahahahahah fucking Gold.

Hey OP what DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING?

Please say IT please say IT

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Quite an explosion online/pub-med-reading/experts screaming online about how these successful performance or physique athletes are “wrong” though, and yet none of them are really changing the successful protocols they’ve always used.

S[/quote]

Seconding this with a twist:

I’m often amused when any coach (this goes for supplement companies as well, and this is not meant as a knock on Biotest so I hope it’s not interpreted that way) claims the superiority of a particular approach or product without a record of that approach or product actually leading to superior results.

If that approach is better, why hasn’t someone following that approach blown current competitors out of the water? If that supplement is better, why are people using that supplement not winning competitions left and right?

In this case, OP, if your approach is so great, why isn’t it leading to great results? Don’t give me that “I only have 3 hours per week” excuse, either, because there are a number of programs that can be performed in 3 hours per week that yield significantly better results than you have demonstrated to date (I also wonder how you have so much time to post on here when you only have 3 hours per week to exercise, but that’s another conversation).

Finally, that passage regarding chicken vs. beef is full of holes, and if I have time/inclination later, perhaps I’ll come back and pick it apart. Your previous “I’m a scientist” claims have left me decidedly unimpressed. I’m a PhD epidemiologist & biostatistician who literally writes, interprets, and analyzes this stuff for a living, and trust me, that is poorly written and would not pass muster for any peer-reviewed journal (and even THOSE are full of articles that are somewhat poorly written).

[quote]TrevorLPT wrote:
Checking in since I was one of the people asking for footage of your maxes. First off, I will say that you are definitely moving more weight than I expected you to be, so kudos to you for that. The numbers aren’t impressive in and of themselves, but for a guy who only eats every third day they’re not bad. However, your technique on all of those lifts leaves A LOT to be desired (as you seem to know). Personally, I think you’d benefit from doing straight sets with lower reps and a sub maximal load over your current lifting protocol. Doing extremely high rep extended sets is just going to reinforce lousy technique since it’s tough to focus on technique once fatigue sets in. A 5x5 protocol seems much more up your alley, or even a 6x3 or 4x6. Just NOT 45+ rep sets of everything.

As far as specific things to try to fix with your lifts:

Deadlifts: these are rough. To be blunt, it doesn’t look like you’re deadlifting as much as you’re just picking the bar off the ground with your low back – even at the lower weights. People have already covered that your hands and feet are too wide, and thats definitely true. But beyond that, you need to learn how to hip hinge so your hamstrings and glutes are what drive the movement rather than your low back. This is hard to explain in writing, so I suggest you watch many technique videos and repeatedly film yourself from the side until you have it right. Honestly how you’ve gone this long deadlifting like that without hurting yourself is beyond me. Fixing it should be a top priority.

Bench: Nice grind for sure. Your stubbornness shows through in that video, which is good. However, I personally wouldn’t count that as my 1RM if I were you, since your butt comes off the bench and you bounce the bar off your chest to get it up. Your setups needs work as it looks like you’re just lying flat on the bench and pressing the bar – there doesn’t appear to be any tension in your upper back or legs, and your feet aren’t set in such a way that you can create that tension without lifting your butt up into the air. Again, it looks like you would benefit from a technique overhaul. Dave Tate has a great video series called “So You Think You Can Bench” that covers in great detail a more powerlifting-specific bench technique, but if that’s not your interest I suggest you look to Mark Rippetoe’s instructions on bench technique.

Pullups: Good strength on these, but unfortunately they don’t really count. Get your chin over the bar my man.

Odd question but do you ever come to Chicago? [/quote]

Thank you for the detailed critique. Yeah I’ve definitely accepted that my deadlifts need a lot of work. I hope to address these all soon. For now it’s high reps, but the good part about that is if I use appropriate weight I can get better practice. I was even thinking about a deloading week. I wouldn’t want to go 5x5 just yet until I get some practice with better form.

My ass did leave the bench when I got stuck. I’ve also historically seen my lifts drop when I drop weight and now it’s that plus fasting, but then again I probably lifted my ass on the 245 when I was eating too. It’s to work on.

Yeah the 80+ on pull-ups was a little shy at the top. I guess I should count 60+ as my max because even 70+ was a little shy of my chin. I did 60+ too but the angle sucked so I switched to a different pull-up bar.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Not to target this thread specifically as it’s already taken a vicious beating and is nothing more than entertainment fodder that we haven’t seen around here since a certain delusional individual departed, but it really does shed more light on the current state of affairs in the fitness world thanks to the internet.

Anyone can go online, start reading and quoting studies and drawing their own conclusions. Sure there have been some studies in recent years suggesting it’s untrue that the long held belief about 6 small meals affects metabolic rate in a positive manner. And yet, even in light of these studies, you will still find very successful coaches and athletes following their old recommendation for other reasons.

Quite an explosion online/pub-med-reading/experts screaming online about how these successful performance or physique athletes are “wrong” though, and yet none of them are really changing the successful protocols they’ve always used.

S[/quote]

That’s right. Independent research should be shunned. Everyone who tries to do something different is just an idiot who is making a mockery of the established paradigms.