[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Gold pure Gold[/quote]
Alright same question to you…
Are you arguing that beginners will see benefits of eating 6 meals a day versus 2? That meal frequency is a significant concern for beginners?
How did I miss this gold mine?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
How did I miss this gold mine? [/quote]
It was in BSL until yesterday.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Gold pure Gold[/quote]
Alright same question to you…
Are you arguing that beginners will see benefits of eating 6 meals a day versus 2? That meal frequency is a significant concern for beginners?[/quote]
I can guarantee I have children and socks older than you and have been lifting longer then you have been alive.
That being said, I am not going to crush your dreams.
Good luck.
Let us all know when you get over 200 lbs.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I can guarantee I have children and socks older than you and have been lifting longer then you have been alive.[/quote]
A.k.a. you have no credible response. Also your bio says you’re 40 and I’m 35 so I’ve got to take a far out guess that’s not true…
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
That being said, I am not going to crush your dreams.
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If I could get my dreams crushed I wouldn’t be submitting myself to this forum.
Will do.
Bring your hands in A LOT on your deadlift. you want them to hang naturally, so a shoulder width grip is best. Widening the grip makes the lift significantly more difficult, and could be related to your need to round your back, since you have to bend over more to initiate the pull. It increases the distance the bar has to travel. I prefer to have my stance much narrower than you, but there are options there, depending on your deadlift style. If you’re going that wide though, you need to have your knees outside your arms, not inside (which essentially ends up being semi-sumo).
Dave Tate gives good advice on determining your ideal deadlift setup. Hang from a bar, then drop. Look at your feet. That’s your new (conventional) deadlift stance.
If I were you, I’d work toward mastering the conventional deadlift first, then experiment with sumo or even semi sumo if it just doesn’t work as well as you’d like.
Nice grind on the bench press.
there is no way your ass stayed on the bench during that attempt
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Bring your hands in A LOT on your deadlift. you want them to hang naturally, so a shoulder width grip is best. Widening the grip makes the lift significantly more difficult, and could be related to your need to round your back, since you have to bend over more to initiate the pull. It increases the distance the bar has to travel. I prefer to have my stance much narrower than you, but there are options there, depending on your deadlift style. If you’re going that wide though, you need to have your knees outside your arms, not inside (which essentially ends up being semi-sumo).
Dave Tate gives good advice on determining your ideal deadlift setup. Hang from a bar, then drop. Look at your feet. That’s your new (conventional) deadlift stance.
If I were you, I’d work toward mastering the conventional deadlift first, then experiment with sumo or even semi sumo if it just doesn’t work as well as you’d like.
Nice grind on the bench press.[/quote]
Sumo is definitely more comfortable for me, but I’ll trying bringing it in and experimenting with that. AliveAgain36 noted the forward lean too. I’ve always credited to my height/build but I see what you’re saying. Probably why I have difficulty getting tight on start too.
Thanks.
[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
Just some friendly observations.
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Thanks.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Why should anyone believe me? Because I provide valuable information that’s a hell of a lot more scientifically valid than several credentialed nutritionists telling beginners they need to eat 6 meals a day. [/quote]
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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
@RATTLEHEAD
Are you arguing that beginners will see benefits of eating 6 meals a day versus 2? That meal frequency is a significant concern for beginners?[/quote]
I haven’t seen anyone blatantly miss the (bold, underlined, italicised) point that bad since X was around. That made me laugh pretty hard.
Since we’re no longer in BSL, another question.
WHY are you doing this?
Yes, I hear you say stuff like “there are still frontiers in nutrition to be explored” and “do you really think we’ve figured everything out?”.
But really, why are you doing this? Why does that matter so much to you? Why do you feel a need to make a name for yourself? Why do you feel such a need to save face on a public forum like this?
(Those are all basically the same question, really.)
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Why should anyone believe me? Because I provide valuable information that’s a hell of a lot more scientifically valid than several credentialed nutritionists telling beginners they need to eat 6 meals a day. [/quote]
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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
@RATTLEHEAD
Are you arguing that beginners will see benefits of eating 6 meals a day versus 2? That meal frequency is a significant concern for beginners?[/quote]
I haven’t seen anyone blatantly miss the (bold, underlined, italicised) point that bad since X was around. That made me laugh pretty hard.[/quote]
I didn’t miss it. Here’s my point… I’m saying a nutritionist who tells beginners to eat 6 meals a day to promote weight loss because it speeds up their metabolism is incorrect (and many do say this). It’s one example where credentialed nutritionists are clearly giving advice that science disagrees with. So if someone has an issue with me saying this is an example where I’m more accurate than a credentialed nutritionist then they’re implying the idea that increased meal frequency for beginners is best.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I can guarantee I have children and socks older than you and have been lifting longer then you have been alive.[/quote]
A.k.a. you have no credible response. Also your bio says you’re 40 and I’m 35 so I’ve got to take a far out guess that’s not true…
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
That being said, I am not going to crush your dreams.
[/quote]
If I could get my dreams crushed I wouldn’t be submitting myself to this forum.
Will do.
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You are 35! Wow. Then good lord, shut the fuck up eat and start lifting heavy. Then come back in a few years.
Why do you think beginners should avoid chicken?
[quote]LoRez wrote:
But really, why are you doing this? Why does that matter so much to you? Why do you feel a need to make a name for yourself? Why do you feel such a need to save face on a public forum like this?[/quote]
Really? I think I’ve stated why I’m doing this a dozen different ways already. I’m observing this diet and eating patterns effects on BMR, LBM, cholesterol, and vitamin levels. That’s why.
How in the world do you think I’m saving face in this forum? I get about maybe 5% of responses that aren’t just calling me a skinny-fat douche.
I’m looking for advice and tips on my lifts. Also bearing the punishment of attack and insult is going to make me better. Plus I figured someone else here may be interested in the experiment so I share. That’s why I’m hear. I disseminate a lot of my other work and ideas, but since the last 2.5 years was focused on diet, nutrition, and health alone I didn’t come here. This is a forum for reaching advanced physique and strength not beating obesity or overall health. This experiment is my first one that incorporates exercise as a variable.
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF YO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???
Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?
Thanks
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I didn’t miss it. Here’s my point… I’m saying a nutritionist who tells beginners to eat 6 meals a day to promote weight loss because it speeds up their metabolism is incorrect (and many do say this). It’s one example where credentialed nutritionists are clearly giving advice that science disagrees with. So if someone has an issue with me saying this is an example where I’m more accurate than a credentialed nutritionist then they’re implying the idea that increased meal frequency for beginners is best.
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And you still missed the point.
This… this is the point:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Because I provide valuable information that’s a hell of a lot more scientifically valid than several credentialed nutritionists[/quote]
Not what it says before or after it, just this part. It doesn’t matter what you say… it has nothing to do with what you say or they say… it has to do with this belief in that your assessments, your information, your knowledge is superior.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Why do you think beginners should avoid chicken?[/quote]
There have been notable reductions in nutritional value of conventional food over the last 40 years.16 If malnutrition is a contributor to obesity then these reductions in nutritional value could be contributing to obesity. Some people theorize obesity is a disease of malnutrition due to many correlations between nutritional deficiencies and obesity.17 While it may be easier to blame calories, calorie dense foods are often less nutritionally dense too.
If the correlation of malnutrition is actually causal this can explain rises in obesity over the last 40 years. It would also mean that in order to fight obesity we should eat more nutritionally dense foods which is what pretty much everyone recommends.
Since the 1970â??s beef consumption has dropped by 30% and chicken consumption has increased by 150%.18 The change in meat preference has largely been due to the desire to reduce fat intake but not only is beef more nutritionally dense then chicken but beef fat also has some very good nutritional qualities. On top of reducing beef intake the population is trying to eat leaner cuts of beef and conventional beef has less nutritional value â?? a nutritional triple whammy.
In addition to the nutritional inferiority of chicken meat, conventional chickens are raised in some of the most disgusting and cruel manners. Avoiding beef because of cholesterol impact is not a valid concern. Due to the correlation of chicken consumption with obesity and the nutritional superiority of beef it must be my recommendation to eat beef instead of chicken. Youâ??re also a lot more likely to get sick from eating chicken.19
References:
- Halweil B. Still No Free Lunch: Nutrient levels in U.S. food supply eroded by pursuit of high yields. The Organic Center. 2007.
- Eckhardt C. Micronutrient malnutrition, obesity, and chronic disease in countries undergoing the nutrition transition. IFPRI. 2006.
- National Chicken Council. Per Capita Consumption of Poultry and Livestock, 1965 to Estimated 2014, in Pounds. 2014.
- Painter JA, Hoekstra RM, Ayers T, Tauxe RV, Braden CR, Angulo FJ, Griffin PM. Attribution of foodborne illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths to food commodities by using outbreak data, United States, 1998-2008. Emerg Infect Dis. 2013 Mar;19(3):407-15. Technical Appendix 1 Table 5.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]LoRez wrote:
But really, why are you doing this? Why does that matter so much to you? Why do you feel a need to make a name for yourself? Why do you feel such a need to save face on a public forum like this?[/quote]
Really? I think I’ve stated why I’m doing this a dozen different ways already. I’m observing this diet and eating patterns effects on BMR, LBM, cholesterol, and vitamin levels. That’s why.[/quote]
That’s a what, not a why.
I really don’t know what to say to this.
[quote]I’m looking for advice and tips on my lifts. Also bearing the punishment of attack and insult is going to make me better. Plus I figured someone else here may be interested in the experiment so I share. That’s why I’m hear. I disseminate a lot of my other work and ideas, but since the last 2.5 years was focused on diet, nutrition, and health alone I didn’t come here. This is a forum for reaching advanced physique and strength not beating obesity or overall health. This experiment is my first one that incorporates exercise as a variable.
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Ok. But that’s not the question I asked.
The question I asked could also be stated as “what are you trying to prove?”, which is better stated as “why are you trying to prove anything in the first place?”
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Why do you think beginners should avoid chicken?[/quote]
There have been notable reductions in nutritional value of conventional food over the last 40 years.16 If malnutrition is a contributor to obesity then these reductions in nutritional value could be contributing to obesity. Some people theorize obesity is a disease of malnutrition due to many correlations between nutritional deficiencies and obesity.17 While it may be easier to blame calories, calorie dense foods are often less nutritionally dense too. If the correlation of malnutrition is actually causal this can explain rises in obesity over the last 40 years. It would also mean that in order to fight obesity we should eat more nutritionally dense foods which is what pretty much everyone recommends.
Since the 1970â??s beef consumption has dropped by 30% and chicken consumption has increased by 150%.18 The change in meat preference has largely been due to the desire to reduce fat intake but not only is beef more nutritionally dense then chicken but beef fat also has some very good nutritional qualities. On top of reducing beef intake the population is trying to eat leaner cuts of beef and conventional beef has less nutritional value â?? a nutritional triple whammy. In addition to the nutritional inferiority of chicken meat, conventional chickens are raised in some of the most disgusting and cruel manners. Avoiding beef because of cholesterol impact is not a valid concern. Due to the correlation of chicken consumption with obesity and the nutritional superiority of beef it must be my recommendation to eat beef instead of chicken. Youâ??re also a lot more likely to get sick from eating chicken.19
References:
- Halweil B. Still No Free Lunch: Nutrient levels in U.S. food supply eroded by pursuit of high yields. The Organic Center. 2007.
- Eckhardt C. Micronutrient malnutrition, obesity, and chronic disease in countries undergoing the nutrition transition. IFPRI. 2006.
- National Chicken Council. Per Capita Consumption of Poultry and Livestock, 1965 to Estimated 2014, in Pounds. 2014.
- Painter JA, Hoekstra RM, Ayers T, Tauxe RV, Braden CR, Angulo FJ, Griffin PM. Attribution of foodborne illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths to food commodities by using outbreak data, United States, 1998-2008. Emerg Infect Dis. 2013 Mar;19(3):407-15. Technical Appendix 1 Table 5.[/quote]
I have no idea how you draw the conclusions you do, but thanks for answering the question.