The Predator Program

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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Finally, that passage regarding chicken vs. beef is full of holes, and if I have time/inclination later, perhaps I’ll come back and pick it apart. Your previous “I’m a scientist” claims have left me decidedly unimpressed. I’m a PhD epidemiologist & biostatistician who literally writes, interprets, and analyzes this stuff for a living, and trust me, that is poorly written and would not pass muster for any peer-reviewed journal (and even THOSE are full of articles that are somewhat poorly written).[/quote]

Beginner’s guide and peer-reviewed journal aren’t usually in the same category and I’m not going for the latter. I’d love to hear your thoughts on it if you do take the time though.

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Not to target this thread specifically as it’s already taken a vicious beating and is nothing more than entertainment fodder that we haven’t seen around here since a certain delusional individual departed, but it really does shed more light on the current state of affairs in the fitness world thanks to the internet.

Anyone can go online, start reading and quoting studies and drawing their own conclusions. Sure there have been some studies in recent years suggesting it’s untrue that the long held belief about 6 small meals affects metabolic rate in a positive manner. And yet, even in light of these studies, you will still find very successful coaches and athletes following their old recommendation for other reasons.

Quite an explosion online/pub-med-reading/experts screaming online about how these successful performance or physique athletes are “wrong” though, and yet none of them are really changing the successful protocols they’ve always used.

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That’s right. Independent research should be shunned. Everyone who tries to do something different is just an idiot who is making a mockery of the established paradigms.

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But your books, at least that beginner guide, isn’t based on independent research, right? It’s based on your interpretation of other peoples research.

I mean, you understand why PhD’s do research and not my neighbor that stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, right?

Lol, no one cares if you are different. No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things. It’s actually admirable in a way.

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
My favorite part is how the OP repeatedly glosses over USMC’s question of “Why on Gods green earth should anyone listen to what YOU have to say about nutrition” when there are thousands of diet coaches out there with bachelors/masters/PhD’s, great physiques themselves and/or hundreds (if not thousands) of client testimonials with accompanying before and after photos as PROOF TO ESTABLISH CREDIBILITY???

Why OP? Why? Can you please give an actual real answer to this question of “why you” and not the type of politician style answers you have been giving?

Thanks[/quote]
I think this was missed.[/quote]

It wasn’t missed, it’s just been answered over and over again. You guys don’t like the answers but it doesn’t mean I have something new to say about if you ask it again.
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This is tough. You aren’t getting it.[/quote]

Maybe we can walk through this one…

Do you agree or disagree that sometimes credentialed doctors and nutritionists give really bad, unscientific advice?

You know there are plenty of doctors and nutritionists who say anything other than vegan diets are crap and you’re killing yourself. Do you agree or disagree that a vegan diet is the optimal diet for everyone?
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Of course people with credentials offer shitty advice regularly. Doctor Oz is a prime example.

I understand what he’s asking and what everyone else is asking. I can phrase it in a different way so that the answer will be new.

I go to a bookstore, and I know next to nothing about nutrition. I see 10 books on the shelf that have very similar titles, all by different authors. 5 of the books are written by doctors (PHD or MD’s), 2 are written by certified dieticians, nutritionists, or some other credential below doctor but still specific to the field I’m interested in. 1 of the books is written by someone with no listed qualifications, but I’ve seen them on tv or in a magazine or something. 2 of the books are by authors I’ve never heard of, who have no listed qualifications, and no other publications to their name. No one has recommended the authors to me.

Even if the consumer has a distrust of doctors, that still leaves 5 books to choose from, 4 of which are not yours, and 2 of which are written by people who have studied this stuff in a classroom setting and have the title to prove it.

If I’m buying 1 book, what are the chances that it’s yours?

And beyond this: what if I buy all 5 non-doctor written books, and read them all. How do I, the consumer who previously knew nothing about nutrition, decide that what I read in your book is better than what I read in the other books? Because you cited sources that I’ll never refer to?

You understand the problem. I’m curious how you feel you overcome it.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Oh wow look at me I’m saying I’m smarter than some people in the world, that makes much such an arrogant prick. HA![/quote]

In the context of “you should listen to me because I’m smarter than them”… it kind of does.

But again, why the defensiveness? (An example of what I meant by “saving face” as I put it earlier.)[/quote]

It’s not defensive, it’s funny to me. Believe it or not I enjoy this thread for several reasons.

When I ask people to provide scientific and credible rebuttals and people say things like they have socks older than me that’s why, it’s f***in funny.

And it’s not as much smarter as due diligence. I spent 2.5 years experimenting, researching studies, and listening to beginners questions and problems with diet… Are there many people in the field smarter than me? Of course. Are there people in T-Nation smarter than me? Of course. But that doesn’t mean I didn’t put together a well collected, organized source for beginners that is scientifically supported.
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2.5 years. That’s it? And we should listen to you over the people that study this for most of their lives?

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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…
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Okay, the poster that have stuck around since the beginning, for the most part, aren’t giving you a hard time for trying new things.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…
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Okay, the poster that have stuck around since the beginning, for the most part, aren’t giving you a hard time for trying new things. [/quote]
I am :slight_smile: Chances are he has stolen part of this program from people with better qualifications.

So USM did you get the PS4 or XBox one

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…
[/quote]

Okay, the poster that have stuck around since the beginning, for the most part, aren’t giving you a hard time for trying new things. [/quote]
I am :slight_smile: Chances are he has stolen part of this program from people with better qualifications.

So USM did you get the PS4 or XBox one[/quote]

Lol, I got both… PS4 is better imo though.

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I just wish the Professor would jump on this…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…
[/quote]

Okay, the poster that have stuck around since the beginning, for the most part, aren’t giving you a hard time for trying new things. [/quote]
I am :slight_smile: Chances are he has stolen part of this program from people with better qualifications.

So USM did you get the PS4 or XBox one[/quote]

Lol, I got both… PS4 is better imo though. [/quote]
Thanks fixing to get my PS4 now that some things are about to settle down.

Any suggestions for a first game?

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years[/quote]

I think I puked a little.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years[/quote]

I think I puked a little. [/quote]

It’s so horrible…

The point of the link, is that it really isn’t anything new. In fact, eating raw meat is very, very old. Very old indeed. Thank Christ for progress.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…
[/quote]

Okay, the poster that have stuck around since the beginning, for the most part, aren’t giving you a hard time for trying new things. [/quote]
I am :slight_smile: Chances are he has stolen part of this program from people with better qualifications.

So USM did you get the PS4 or XBox one[/quote]

Lol, I got both… PS4 is better imo though. [/quote]
Thanks fixing to get my PS4 now that some things are about to settle down.

Any suggestions for a first game? [/quote]

Ah, it depends on what you like. Probably my favorite game so far has been Assassins Creed Black Flag. Watchdogs not bad either. Oh and if you haven’t played Tomb Raider that’s a good one too.

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years[/quote]

I think I puked a little. [/quote]

It’s so horrible…

The point of the link, is that it really isn’t anything new. In fact, eating raw meat is very, very old. Very old indeed. Thank Christ for progress.[/quote]

Ya, it sounds like dude just need a probiotic or something…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No one is even giving you a hard time for trying new things.[/quote]

Except for the whole this entire experiment is idiotic, dumbest thing ever, concocted in delusion, etc. Heh…
[/quote]

Okay, the poster that have stuck around since the beginning, for the most part, aren’t giving you a hard time for trying new things. [/quote]
I am :slight_smile: Chances are he has stolen part of this program from people with better qualifications.

So USM did you get the PS4 or XBox one[/quote]

Lol, I got both… PS4 is better imo though. [/quote]
Thanks fixing to get my PS4 now that some things are about to settle down.

Any suggestions for a first game? [/quote]

Ah, it depends on what you like. Probably my favorite game so far has been Assassins Creed Black Flag. Watchdogs not bad either. Oh and if you haven’t played Tomb Raider that’s a good one too.

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I did Black flag and Tomb raider on PS3 is it that much better on PS4. Watchdogs looked really good, but I have heard its basically GTA with hacking.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:
Of course people with credentials offer shitty advice regularly. Doctor Oz is a prime example.

I understand what he’s asking and what everyone else is asking. I can phrase it in a different way so that the answer will be new.

I go to a bookstore, and I know next to nothing about nutrition. I see 10 books on the shelf that have very similar titles, all by different authors. 5 of the books are written by doctors (PHD or MD’s), 2 are written by certified dieticians, nutritionists, or some other credential below doctor but still specific to the field I’m interested in. 1 of the books is written by someone with no listed qualifications, but I’ve seen them on tv or in a magazine or something. 2 of the books are by authors I’ve never heard of, who have no listed qualifications, and no other publications to their name. No one has recommended the authors to me.

Even if the consumer has a distrust of doctors, that still leaves 5 books to choose from, 4 of which are not yours, and 2 of which are written by people who have studied this stuff in a classroom setting and have the title to prove it.

If I’m buying 1 book, what are the chances that it’s yours?

And beyond this: what if I buy all 5 non-doctor written books, and read them all. How do I, the consumer who previously knew nothing about nutrition, decide that what I read in your book is better than what I read in the other books? Because you cited sources that I’ll never refer to?

You understand the problem. I’m curious how you feel you overcome it.[/quote]

Unfortunately consumers who know nothing about nutrition already have to make that decision even between the credentialed doctors and best selling books.

You overcome it by writing a really good book.

I appreciate this and all, but I’m not in T-Nation to discuss my other work. If I want to see how I can improve my deadlift BAM I’m here… If I want to see what the best diet is for hypoglycemia this is not on my list of places to go, and that’s stuff the other material is about.

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[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years[/quote]

That is interesting. Is the OP doing this or just eating some other crap like twinkies?

It would be cool to see someone eat nothing but raw meat for a given time and see what kind of results are achieved.

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PureNasty, your answer to the “why should anyone listen to you” question was

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Why should anyone believe me? Because I provide valuable information that’s a hell of a lot more scientifically valid than several credentialed nutritionists telling beginners they need to eat 6 meals a day. [/quote]
So your reasoning was that, in your opinion you presented scientifically valid information.

But then you also said this:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
The fact is that almost every health topic has conflicting research so you have to weigh in on what side you believe in.
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Then you said that almost any health topic has conflicting research. So, what’s to say that the research you presented is the right stuff while the other research that contradicts yours is the wrong stuff?

And then went ahead and used this example:

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Maybe we can walk through this one…

Do you agree or disagree that sometimes credentialed doctors and nutritionists give really bad, unscientific advice?

You know there are plenty of doctors and nutritionists who say anything other than vegan diets are crap and you’re killing yourself. Do you agree or disagree that a vegan diet is the optimal diet for everyone?
[/quote]

Then you basically proved the point that I, along with several other people here, have been trying to make: just because it’s supposedly “backed by scientific research” doesn’t mean it isn’t completely idiotic and untrue.

So again, like has been asked a million times, WHAT MAKES YOUR RESEARCH/POINTS/CONCLUSIONS CORRECT and others wrong?

Where are your credentials and success stories that prove that YOU have the right information and that others are wrong?

Do you still not see what what we are saying? Why you?

EDIT: nevermind. Seeing your reply to Flipcollars post sums it all up.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]AliveAgain36 wrote:
http://www.vice.com/read/this-guy-has-eaten-nothing-but-raw-meat-for-five-years[/quote]

That is interesting. Is the OP doing this or just eating some other crap like twinkies?

It would be cool to see someone eat nothing but raw meat for a given time and see what kind of results are achieved.[/quote]

Guess you didn’t read the experiment either… Yeah I eat 6 lbs of raw meat over a 12 hour period after I work out. I then fast for 60 - 84 and repeat. So all my lifts to include the maxes today were under at least a 60 hour fast.