[quote]56x11 wrote:
When I joined this fiasco last week, there were (and still are) several agendas. And I’m rather amused, though not surprised, by how easily things are falling into place.
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[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
A guy with theories supporting his theories…
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It is becoming clear that this thread is, in fact, an ugly snake pit of Machiavellian scheming towards some end-game that is unknown to me.
I’ll just bow out and wait for the next video of a seemingly healthy and sane grown man eating entire packages of raw meat.
[quote]56x11 wrote:
And I’m rather amused, though not surprised, by how easily things are falling into place. [/quote]
A guy with theories supporting his theories and continuing to post on his current and prior experiments… How easily I fell for your cunning plan…
Wow you really are Wimp Lo…
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And here is our belle of the ball.
What’s the name of your current self-published ebook? Since you won’t give proof that it’s selling and getting positive reviews, I’d like to see for myself.
I told you earlier, I want you to become famous for this thread. That and several other friendly wagers I’ve got going…
And the reason I laughed (seriously laughed) when you posted that kung fu satire is because you only contradicted yourself - just like you’re trying to do now:
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I’m not trying to get one over on you.
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And yet you keep returning to respond to me. Whiteflash is correct in his assessment of you:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
…OP is clearly more than a little “off”. [/quote]
Everyone here - except you - knows this to be an undeniable fact.
Btw, the thread count, just as I said it would, has now climbed to over 10,000. Remember, when I joined in last week it was in 8,000 or so.
It is becoming clear that this thread is, in fact, an ugly snake pit of Machiavellian scheming towards some end-game that is unknown to me.
I’ll just bow out and wait for the next video of a seemingly healthy and sane grown man eating entire packages of raw meat.
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If, in the near future, our paths cross elsewhere, I’ll gladly answer any questions you may have as it pertains to this thread or training. For now, enjoy the theater and your second observation is priceless.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
616, let it go. OP is clearly more than a little “off”. [/quote]
I believe you’re missing the point of my posts.
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I think I am too…[/quote]
I think I got the point…
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…no, you didn’t get it…
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I’m still not getting it then.
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I’ll just bow out and wait for the next video of a seemingly healthy and sane grown man eating entire packages of raw meat.[/quote]
I should post one in the next couple days. Tonight is another eating/workout day. I finished my rotation so it’s back to the first workout in the first video. I wanted to address these changes first before I start posting other workouts. There’s already enough distractions in the thread…
Squat changes - going full depth, focus on keeping knees out.
Pull-up changes - extending all the way down for full ROM.
Shoulder press changes - moving head forward while pushing through.
In the meantime you can always check out my YouTube channel videos for more…
Squats - 165 lbs, full depth, 1x36
Pull-ups - body weight, 1x35
Shoulder press - 90 lbs, 1x27
After some reflection let me say this to all…
Hello my name is Bryan and I’m a beginning lifter. I’ve been lifting for a long time and haven’t made much progress in the last several years. I realize a big part of my issues is failing to self-evaluate my own workouts objectively. There are many things I stopped paying attention to that are very important.
That being said I’m still completing this experiment for the same reasons I started it. Again though, it’s an experiment not an end all. I’m interested in much more than the body composition side of it to include BMR adaptation and lipid profile.
I thought about some goals and first off I thought I should cut down to single digit body fat. I’m also going to use this time to address some basic lifting principles I’ve been ignoring. After I reach that goal and the experiment is done I’ll use standard, well-proven hypertrophy methodologies. I’m going to get a power rack, bench, and Olympic weight set so I can lift at home because I don’t have the time to go to the gym frequently enough right now.
At the current rate of weight loss (about 1 lbs every three days) I should get to single digit body fat well within 90 days even with a gradual slow down. My starting weight was also after I had fasted for 80 hours so my weight loss does not include significant quantities of water and glycogen losses.
Full depth breath set squats definitely felt different towards the end and I got burnt more quickly. Please let me know how you think I did this time. I did notice that my time to complete the full set was about the same so next time if I don’t get over 40 reps I want to make sure to increase my time to at least 4 minutes for the sake of progressing something. As an additional note these are done fully fasted so it would be expected my performance is at least slightly reduced compared to having proper pre-workout nutrition.
Thanks again for the pointer on the shoulder press. My sticking point on bench is locking out and in hindsight I think not locking out as well on my shoulder press could be a contributing factor to that. Please let me know how you think I did with the adjustment.
The squats look pretty good for it being the first time doing it this way.
Your knees are a little wobbly, but that’ll probably work its way out. Technically, it looks like you’re still a little above parallel on most of those reps (so was I)… for what you’re doing, I’d say it’s fine… but for training the squat pattern, this may work against you.
A couple months ago, someone posted something about different types of lifters competing in high rep work. I think the winner basically turned it into sets of sorts by doing a series, resting with the bar on back, another series, etc… might be an approach vs. cranking out singles towards the end.
Also, I think you greens are supposed to simulate partially digested food or something? That may justify adding vinegar to simulate stomach acid.
Much better depth on the squats. As you mentioned, going deeper changes everything. If you wanted to go past parallel (not saying this is my recommendation, just an observation), you’d need to drop the weigh even more to achieve similar reps, probably another 20 lbs. There’s one thing I really don’t like about your squats though. At the turnaround point, the instant you begin your ascent, your knees cave slightly, on each and every rep. This is something that I think you should focus on preventing. It’s a relatively common problem, and fortunately relatively easy to fix. Try to force your knees out at the turnaround, and maintain as much tension as possible. Your knees should have no lateral movement. Hopefully this makes sense, if not I can make a video to explain how I avoid this.
Pull ups are fine, good job.
On the overhead press, I don’t particularly like your forearm angle. You want your elbows to remain directly below your hands if possible, and right now they’re flaring. This is not a position of strength. My suggestion would be to either: move your grip out an inch to 2 inches with each hand, OR try to force your elbows inside. I personally prefer the former solution. The latter could result in elbow tendinitis or tendinosis if you don’t have the requisite shoulder flexibility.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
616, let it go. OP is clearly more than a little “off”. [/quote]
I believe you’re missing the point of my posts.
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I think I am too…[/quote]
I think I got the point…
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…no, you didn’t get it…
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I’m still not getting it then.[/quote]
56x11 is posting because he wants people to click on the thread, so they can see how off OP is.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
improvements all around, good stuff.
Much better depth on the squats. As you mentioned, going deeper changes everything. If you wanted to go past parallel (not saying this is my recommendation, just an observation), you’d need to drop the weigh even more to achieve similar reps, probably another 20 lbs. There’s one thing I really don’t like about your squats though. At the turnaround point, the instant you begin your ascent, your knees cave slightly, on each and every rep. This is something that I think you should focus on preventing. It’s a relatively common problem, and fortunately relatively easy to fix. Try to force your knees out at the turnaround, and maintain as much tension as possible. Your knees should have no lateral movement. Hopefully this makes sense, if not I can make a video to explain how I avoid this.
Pull ups are fine, good job.
On the overhead press, I don’t particularly like your forearm angle. You want your elbows to remain directly below your hands if possible, and right now they’re flaring. This is not a position of strength. My suggestion would be to either: move your grip out an inch to 2 inches with each hand, OR try to force your elbows inside. I personally prefer the former solution. The latter could result in elbow tendinitis or tendinosis if you don’t have the requisite shoulder flexibility.
Thanks for the T Nation shout-out.[/quote]
My knees definitely seem like my biggest issue with squats, but yeah I’ll just have to work on it. The wobble comes from the tendency for them to cave and my conscious effort to push them out. I’ll work on it and try to force them out prior to a corrective action. I may go ATG next time, but I definitely was going to work it in at some point.
For the overhead press it just doesn’t seem like my body’s most favorable lift. I did have my grip wider but I purposely pulled it in on recommendation to get a better lockout. I may switch to a close-grip, incline bench for this exercise because I have clean & press on my Group C rotation. Originally I scheduled military press for this, but I’m concerned if I go to that I may still have some flare or lockout issues.
The workout today was very humbling. Thanks again everyone who provided constructive criticism. I definitely think that going ATG is going to help me address my squat issues. I had to break up the set because it burnt me out so quick and I definitely think it highlights getting out of the hole as my area I need to focus on. I switched to narrow-grip incline bench because the lockout and grip of the shoulder press seemed to have some issues. The change I think highlighted my potential weaknesses with the shoulder press. I’ve been stuck with a 165 lbs 1RM max with shoulder press for a bit so I hope this change may help work on that.
I’m really pleased with the results so far and finding myself with more energy and less hunger as I adapt to the eating pattern. Other than that nothing too notable.
[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I had to break up the set because it burnt me out so quick and I definitely think it highlights getting out of the hole as my area I need to focus on.[/quote]
You and everyone else. That extra few inches of ROM makes ALL the difference, as you seem to be experiencing.
In my second month of the experiment I wanted to increase the “challenge for food” and I initially tossed around the idea of using a probability of getting a kill; however, I decided to use a more standard progression based approach and so I’m “missing a kill” once a week now. This means that I will workout and not eat, then have to workout the next day to eat. The following workout is a two day fast followed by a workout/gorging day like normal. This puts me on a weekly schedule as well.
Currently I’m doing my back to back workouts with squat and deadlifts. The first time I did this I thrashed my legs pretty good, but the second time it wasn’t that bad. Since the first time I decided I would get into a deep squat stance to stretch instead of bending over or just randomly doing it if I haven’t for a while. I want to work on my comfort and ability to get deep into the hole and it seems to be helping so far. My last squat work out I got 155x1x28, 155x1x8, 155x1x7 with ATG rest-pause which is moving in the right direction since my first attempt at ATG squats. I also feel a lot stronger in the start of the deadlifts.
Weight 159; Fasting period 84 hours; Moderate ketones.
Here’s my video on my latest workout. Please critique and trash where necessary.
Man the thing that sucks is I feel you’re getting a grip on your training, Squatting properly and resetting your DL’s to work on form. I’m not sure how often your training but rest pausing some sets of DL’s, Bench, and then some auxiliary work like cable rows seems like a decent set-up for someone to put on some strength. But I feel like you’re really not reaping much because of the inconsistencies in diet.
I’m still confused on what the goals of this are… strength? size? fat loss?
Your deadlift setup needs work. Don’t jerk the bar. That just looks awful. In the long run, your joints will hate you for this, particularly if you ever decide to lift something heavy. Get tight first. Your arms should be fully extended before you initiate the pull. Don’t start with your arms bent. It may seem like it’s helping you get momentum off the ground, but I can assure you it’s not.
It’s pretty clear at this point that you will not ever become strong doing what you’re doing, but there’s something impressive about your dedication. What you’re doing clearly isn’t easy. But I guess that’s where my problem with this whole thing is. The only reason your performance is impressive in any sense is the conditions you’ve imposed on yourself. If I didn’t know you weren’t eating, I would see absolutely nothing noteworthy here.
In my world, conditions are excuses. I don’t want to be strong ‘for a guy under 200 lbs’ or ‘strong for my height’ or ‘strong for a skinny guy’ or ‘strong for only having trained for X years’. Ultimately, I just want to be strong, no caveats. But of course you’re entitled to your own opinion, and I respect the fact that you feel it’s important in your own life to put this sort of diet/training to the test to see if it can deliver results.
I’m glad you aren’t sick, injured or dead. Three questions:
Are you planning on doing a productive diet and exercise program when you conclude the Predator Program?
Do you dream about spinach, kale or potatoes?
Have you considered growing a beard and wearing an airbrushed wolf t-shirt while you lift? I’ve found this to be quite effective as a stand-alone measure. It would dovetail with your training ethos quite well, I think.
