The Predator Program

[quote]56x11 wrote:
I never stated that I or anyone else knows everything there is to know regarding getting stronger and more muscular.

However, there are those who are so far off any semblance of reality, they deserve, in turns, pity and ridicule.

Your ability to rationalize and twist various information to fit your ideal of what is correct is nothing short of astounding. I’ve no doubt there are psychology students who are intrigued with you in the same manner an entomologist would be fascinated to discover a new species of a gnat.

And your posts only confirm what I stated about the theater of the absurd. I sincerely wish you’d post more videos. You can take the mantle of the T-Nation forum nutjob emeritus. It’s been vacant for quite some time and this forum isn’t what it used to be. Some will express indignation. Others, such as myself, will welcome a new source of tragicomedy.
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I of course beg to differ on what you consider close to reality. My diet experiments to date have produced some results completely contrary to what mainstream health sciences would suggest, so yes I’m going to continue to theorize and experiment.

I’m not posting here because I want praise. I do want critique it’s the only way I’ll get better. So in that terms… Thanks.

If I keep posting videos and keep getting critique and I keep working on it one day I hope to hear I’m getting better or job well done.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

I of course beg to differ on what you consider close to reality. My diet experiments to date have produced some results completely contrary to what mainstream health sciences would suggest, so yes I’m going to continue to theorize and experiment.

I’m not posting here because I want praise. I do want critique it’s the only way I’ll get better. So in that terms… Thanks.

If I keep posting videos and keep getting critique and I keep working on it one day I hope to hear I’m getting better or job well done.
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LoRez made an insightful comment regarding how some of the posters here have exploited this thread to get their daily dose of schadenfreude. That’s par for the course.

I, for one, find this to be illuminating on diverse levels, and not necessarily for the reasons you intended…but again, that’s par for the course.

So, by all means, forge on!

[quote]56x11 wrote:
LoRez made an insightful comment regarding how some of the posters here have exploited this thread to get their daily dose of schadenfreude. That’s par for the course.

I, for one, find this to be illuminating on diverse levels, and not necessarily for the reasons you intended…but again, that’s par for the course.

So, by all means, forge on![/quote]

By all means!

But just because other people are having their fun poking at whatever for whatever reason doesn’t mean at all it’s causing me any misery. I live for this stuff - the good and the bad. If you don’t learn how to respond to people who think you’re absurd you won’t learn to communicate to many people…

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
I’ve come up with what I have dubbed The Predator Program. I’ll be starting the program soon and wanted to get some feedback on what people thought.

Here’s the quick version… It’s all all meat diet based on gorging one day then fasting two and workouts that consist of 3 sets of balls-to-the-wall breathing sets.

I dabbled with the program on test run for two weeks with great results. Lately I’ve been using the exercise methodology but not the diets. When I do breathing sets of squats I’m usually working with 185 - 225 lbs for 40 - 50 reps. For squats particularly the workout you get from one intense breathing set is insane. I often have to take a 5 - 10 minute break after to recover. I’m left with burning, cramping legs while sucking up air.

Before this becomes a novel too I’ll end it abruptly… So thoughts? Comments? Insults?

EDIT: Pasting discussion below since the link wasn’t allowed.

Intro

While researching diet and nutrition I often look to nature to analyze how animals eat because animals live relatively free from obesity and chronic diseases. Since humans are still an animal I believe natural eating patterns can give us clues about what matters with our diet. A good example is how chimpanzees stuff their face with fruits. Some nutritionists have cautioned against eating too much fruit because of the sugar content; however, if we look to nature we see they can do it without issue. If they can do it why canâ??t we? If you dig into studies on fruit consumption it confirms that fruit consumption actually has an inverse relationship with incidence of diabetes yet contributions of insulin spikes is a big part of why fruit consumption is recommended to be restricted. It is clear evidence that natural sugar consumption shouldnâ??t be demonized or grouped with added sugar consumption.

So if animals eat in healthy ways what animals can we most closely mimic in diet? Contrary to many vegetarian proponents we cannot mimic vegetarian diets very well. Most vegetarians are grazers and literally spend the entire day eating. The pure volume of food they eat and time it takes to eat it is not feasible for a modern diet. Additionally many grazers eat grasses and other foods that the human digestive system cannot break down properly. We actually eat closer to a predatorâ??s diet which is based on large, infrequent meals which is an eating pattern that is possible to accomplish.

I propose that if we mimic activity and diet close to a predatorâ??s activity and diet that there may be some significant health and strength benefits.

Diet

A predator eats meat and only meat. Part of the problem with our current eating habits is when we do eat meat weâ??re eating a small amount usually with a variety of other foods to include carbohydrates. Carbohydrates actually speed up the digestion of the meal by helping push the food out. This is why fiber is associated with decreased cholesterol levels as itâ??s inhibiting fat absorption; however, this is also doing things like inhibiting the uptake of fat soluble vitamins. It is a rarity to find a food in nature that has both significant quantities of fat and carbohydrates. Perhaps these are all indications we shouldnâ??t be consuming fat and carbohydrates together in the same meal?

They also eat it raw and consume everything. Cooking meat helps breakdown fats and connective tissue, but cooking meat makes the protein tougher to digest. While it may be speculated that cooking is what led to our current brain development, this is merely speculation. Ancient tribes focused on consuming the organ meat as the organ meat is nutritionally superior to muscle meat. In fact the Indians used to give the muscle meat (steak) to the dogs. Additionally wild animals have far less fat than the modern cow, so itâ??s not like the prevalence of fat and fatty connective tissue in modern meat is close to what ancient tribes were consuming. I do believe in consuming all the fat with meat though â?? any predator in the wild would not let this go to waste. Fats have a lot of good properties like hormone precursors.

When a lion makes a kill it gorges 2 â?? 3 times eating upwards of 75 lbs of meat each time. It then will not eat for a couple days. I regularly discuss in health forums the impact of 24 hour eating patterns which is a very little impact no matter how you eat. The body stores enough glycogen for up to 3 days and digestion takes 30+ hours. Due to these two facts little will change with different eating patterns over 24 hours; however, if you go on a longer pattern that depletes glycogen levels physiological differences may occur. Predators are on eating patterns that are greater than 24 hours so perhaps there is benefit to eating similarly.

So the diet is going to be consuming raw, untrimmed beef to include organ meat each day. I will eat around at least 3 lbs of beef in each sitting consuming at least 6 lbs of beef each day. I will subsequently fast for 2 days after an eating day.

Exercise

Exercise causes physiological changes as a means of adaption for survival. One of the wonderful things about exercise is the body cannot tell if youâ??re running from a cheetah for survival or on a treadmill for fun â?? it will adapt either way. What happens though if we start signaling to the body that weâ??re physically conditioned enough already? Would it stagnate and no longer try to adapt? What do you think youâ??re signaling to your body if you quit when it gets tough? I believe part of the reasons why animals in the wild are so much stronger than humans is that our bodies have learned they do not need to change to survive. I believe we can change that by implementing a balls-to-the-wall workout strategy that mimics real world survival situations.

In the wild there is no warm up. When a predator has an opportunity for a kill or a prey has to evade a predator there is no stretching, pyramid progression, or other warm up. It is act now, do now, or die. While warm ups are still a common piece of many routines there is little scientific evidence to suggest they have any benefit. Warming up does allow you to perform better, but performance does not necessarily equate to grow or physiological change.

In the wild there arenâ??t multiple sets. If a prey fails to evade a predator itâ??s dead. When a predator goes for a kill if it fails it doesnâ??t try again on the same herd at the same time. One set. One balls-to-the-wall set. Do or die. Besides, if the purpose of lifting weights is to exhaust your muscles there is no better way to do so then an all out set. By only completing sets like this I believe itâ??s also signaling to the body there will be no easy physical demands which could cause greater physiological response.

In the wild there isnâ??t a set routine. Every single time a predator makes a kill the physical exertion will be at least a little different.

The exercise routine is going to consist of singular sets for each group of muscles. Each set will be a breathing set. A breathing set is a technique where you complete as many reps as possible, catch your breath, and repeat until you can no longer perform a single repetition. There will be no warm up, cool down, or supporting work.

Weight Loss

I did a test run of this program for two weeks and had great results although the diet was the toughest diet I have ever done. The hunger I felt after fasting days was the deepest, most intense huger I have ever felt and Iâ??ve done a water fast for a week. I felt like a beast in the gym and had weight loss results that were on par with diets that were around 1,000 calories per day which is about half of the average caloric intake on the diet. In fact the reason why I started this was to test theories on weight loss.

Iâ??ve often discussed nutrient timing and intermittent fasting. Since most implementations have a 24 hour cycle there are no physiological differences in energy usage over 24 hours as glycogen depletion is likely not to occur. The body stores enough glycogen for 3 days and complete digestion takes 30+ hours. Recent research on nutrient timing is showing this concept has less and less scientific credence and I agree.

What this all implies though is that nutrient timing and intermittent fasting on scales larger than 24 hours can have physiological impact. I theorized that if the eating pattern could induce ketosis within a cycle that the pattern can have physiological differences. Additionally on the eating days the intake was large enough that entropy (inefficiency) could increase causing a net reduction in available calories. As a third impact itâ??s possible that my overall BMR will be higher, as compared to a diet creating a consistent caloric deficit, which increases expenditure.

The behavior of BMR in my prior health experiments shows that after gorging my BMR increases the very next day. I also found that whether on a low calorie diet or a fasting diet my BMR was consistently the same which means a consistent low calorie diet wonâ??t have any BMR advantages.

The three of these factors means less efficient energy utilization, less efficient energy absorption, and more energy expended compared to diets with consistent, low calorie intakes. The theory and initial results are in agreement. While this is a very tough eating pattern to maintain I believe it could be the most effective eating pattern for weight loss that still allows high overall nutrient and protein intake.

Putting it all together

Since the first meal is consumed after a kill this means that the first meal will come after exercise. It also means that all exercise will be in a fasted state.

Since in the wild everything is a little different each time, Iâ??m going to vary the weight and stance/grip every time. The weight may cause a decrease in reps, but Iâ??m going to try to do small enough changes that I can still get around the same number of reps. After working on breathing sets I may be able to increase reps even with increases in weights. Even if the same number of repetitions are done the total time and â??chunksâ?? of repetitions will likely be different. By â??chunkâ?? I mean the number of reps between breathing breaks.

All breathing sets will be done to the point that I cannot complete a single repetition with a 10 â?? 15 second breathing break.

There will be three different routines.

	Group A		Group B			Group C

Lower Squats Deadlift Clean & Press
Back Pull-ups Horizontal BB Row Reverse DB Flys
Chest/tris Military press Bench press Cable Flys

Squats will be done without racking the weight to box depth or at least parallel. Pull-ups will be done starting with a slightly wider than shoulder width pronated grip moving to a neutral grip when I canâ??t do a chunk of three. Deadlift will be done with a pronated grip moving to a mixed grip if my grip strength starts failing. The BB row will be done with a supinated grip. Cable flys will be done from a decline to neutral position. All other exercises will be done according to standard methods and techniques varying by the prescribed methods.

The diet will start with fasting. On fasting days Iâ??ll be trying to keep activity to a minimum. Only water will be consumed.

I will embark on this program for 90 days.

Prior to this program I have been having a relatively low rate of training (2 hours a week) and consider myself well recovered. I have also been consuming a very nutrient rich, diverse diet and do not consider myself at risk for any nutritional deficiency during this time.

Summary

While the Predator Diet is well backed with scientific evidence that it will help induce weight loss, I acknowledge the Predator Program is not something that I have significant evidence will cause increases in mass and/or strength. Nature has developed in ways we canâ??t always understand, but has produced marvels. It is common for engineering to look to nature to solve problems and I believe this program has the potential to illicit major physiological changes. If you are interested in trying this program with me I would love to hear about it or your end results. [/quote]

Feedback: I enjoyed the read, thank you. You write well, and obviously have put a great deal of thought into this. Perhaps you should start with your self and keep a detailed journal honestly detailing your body’s response to this experiment. This is the internet so pictures of your 90day journey would go a long way might give you some credibility. Maybe some training vids-- 50 rep breathing squats…start there. Look forward to the follow up.

A lot of discussion here about how humans used to eat. This was posted a while back and I thought it was pertinent.

[quote]guerra463 wrote:
Maybe some training vids-- 50 rep breathing squats…start there. Look forward to the follow up.
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OP posted a vid a few days ago. It included his workout and meal. I don’t know if it’s still here or if he took it down.

With sufficient encouragement from others, he may post more.

This thread will reach its inevitable conclusion. And when it does, how the OP behaves won’t surprise many.

As I stated yesterday, I find this thread illuminating - just not for the reasons the OP intended.

[quote]56x11 wrote:
OP posted a vid a few days ago. It included his workout and meal. I don’t know if it’s still here or if he took it down.

With sufficient encouragement from others, he may post more.

This thread will reach its inevitable conclusion. And when it does, how the OP behaves won’t surprise many.

As I stated yesterday, I find this thread illuminating - just not for the reasons the OP intended.
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It’s the most bonkers shit I have read on here in a long time. File me under ‘naysayer’.

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]guerra463 wrote:
Maybe some training vids-- 50 rep breathing squats…start there. Look forward to the follow up.
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OP posted a vid a few days ago. It included his workout and meal. I don’t know if it’s still here or if he took it down.

With sufficient encouragement from others, he may post more.

This thread will reach its inevitable conclusion. And when it does, how the OP behaves won’t surprise many.

As I stated yesterday, I find this thread illuminating - just not for the reasons the OP intended.
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Oh yes oh wise seer of all. You know exactly how I’m going to act and the illumination is yours alone. Congratulations for your esteemed being…

P.S. Yes I’m going to post more vids and updates because this thread is about the experiment and that’s part of it - no encouragement needed. I don’t care who likes it and who doesn’t. I’m in it for the critique so I can get better.

[quote]1 Man Island wrote:
A lot of discussion here about how humans used to eat. This was posted a while back and I thought it was pertinent.[/quote]

Yes, it’s a good video and her point is taken but there are a lot of holes in several of her arguments.

[quote]ChongLordUno wrote:
It’s the most bonkers shit I have read on here in a long time. File me under ‘naysayer’.
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Filed.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]guerra463 wrote:
Maybe some training vids-- 50 rep breathing squats…start there. Look forward to the follow up.
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OP posted a vid a few days ago. It included his workout and meal. I don’t know if it’s still here or if he took it down.

With sufficient encouragement from others, he may post more.

This thread will reach its inevitable conclusion. And when it does, how the OP behaves won’t surprise many.

As I stated yesterday, I find this thread illuminating - just not for the reasons the OP intended.
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Oh yes oh wise seer of all. You know exactly how I’m going to act and the illumination is yours alone. Congratulations for your esteemed being…

P.S. Yes I’m going to post more vids and updates because this thread is about the experiment and that’s part of it - no encouragement needed. I don’t care who likes it and who doesn’t. I’m in it for the critique so I can get better.
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And the predictable response that doesn’t surprise anyone who has read your posts.

You say you’re in it for the critique but act defensive when anyone states anything that contradicts you.

Like I said, predictable.

Why stop at posting the vids here? Why not create a you tube account? I believe you owe it to those outside of T-Nation to this tragicomedy.

[quote]ChongLordUno wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
OP posted a vid a few days ago. It included his workout and meal. I don’t know if it’s still here or if he took it down.

With sufficient encouragement from others, he may post more.

This thread will reach its inevitable conclusion. And when it does, how the OP behaves won’t surprise many.

As I stated yesterday, I find this thread illuminating - just not for the reasons the OP intended.
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It’s the most bonkers shit I have read on here in a long time. File me under ‘naysayer’.
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Oh, it’s spectacular.

I genuinely hope this goes viral.

[quote]56x11 wrote:
And the predictable response that doesn’t surprise anyone who has read your posts.

You say you’re in it for the critique but act defensive when anyone states anything that contradicts you.

Like I said, predictable.

Why stop at posting the vids here? Why not create a you tube account? I believe you owe it to those outside of T-Nation to this tragicomedy. [/quote]

Genuis! Except for the fact that when people said I shouldn’t do partials and need to work on full depth, mentioned SAID, and other comments I listened and am going full depth from now on. Like I said, all powerful seer.

I’ve got a YouTube channel you should check it out. HealthSatoriProject

I self-published a book last February too on all my experiments.

So yeah my work is a lot more than this… Working on another book now too. Again though, my work has been all diet related and not specific to exercise.

What happened to the bananas diet…? Did Freelee the banana girl steal your thunder?

And be sure to give us updates on your water only experiment.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:

[quote]56x11 wrote:
And the predictable response that doesn’t surprise anyone who has read your posts.

You say you’re in it for the critique but act defensive when anyone states anything that contradicts you.

Like I said, predictable.

Why stop at posting the vids here? Why not create a you tube account? I believe you owe it to those outside of T-Nation to this tragicomedy. [/quote]

Genuis! Except for the fact that when people said I shouldn’t do partials and need to work on full depth, mentioned SAID, and other comments I listened and am going full depth from now on. Like I said, all powerful seer.

I’ve got a YouTube channel you should check it out. HealthSatoriProject

I self-published a book last February too on all my experiments.

So yeah my work is a lot more than this… Working on another book now too. Again though, my work has been all diet related and not specific to exercise.[/quote]

Yes, I can see that you give a few concessions here and there but still cling to your notions which are doomed to fail. This is what I was referring to and not these token mea culpas you provide. Everyone, at this point, knows this…except you.

Publishing one or two ebooks means nothing in this day and age. Find a valid publisher, make the best seller list, and then you can gloat.

Your you tube channel’s lack of popularity is just another reflection of how sad and comical your endeavors are. But of course, you’d never admit this to yourself; it’s not in your nature. You simply rationalize yourself as a misunderstood genius when the truth is very far off.

After this 90-day trial is over, you’ll crawl back in here to rationalize why it didn’t work.

No one needs a crystal ball to see all this. That’s why they’ve either ignored you, mocked you, or pitied you.

The next time I meet a skinny-fat kid who thinks he can come up with his own brilliant methods, I’ll be sure to tell him about this thread. If he wants to chase windmills for the rest of his life, then he’ll deserve the same fate as you.

You’ve set yourself up nicely to be the T-Nation village idiot.

You look exactly the same from the videos you made a year ago to the videos you made recently. And a guy as skinny as you who flails on body weight exercises clearly has not made progress in the strength department.

What happened to the bananas diet…? Did Freelee the banana girl steal your thunder?

And be sure to give us updates on your water only experiment.

Guys like you are a special breed. It’s as if you’re afraid of failing on the more tried and true methods, so you concoct these bizarre schemes and ultimately end up with no results at all. You go on these endless quests, chasing your windmills. The more people try to steer you in the right path, the more indignant and self-righteous you become. And ultimately, people either ignore you, mock you, or pity you.

Like I stated before, I can easily see psychology students intrigued by you the way an entomologist would be intrigued by a new species of a gnat.

None of this is surprising. And your next response will be just as predictable as how you’ll look in your next videos - which btw, I’ll be glad to pass along to ensure your place in that special internet hall of fame.

[quote]PureNsanity wrote:
Days 1 - 3

Fasting. No workouts.

Day 4

Weight 171 lbs

Squats, box depth, 175 lbs 1x50ish breathing set
Pull-ups, body weight, 1x40ish breathing set
Shoulder press, 90 lbs, 1x30ish breathing set

Supplemented 15g BCAA and 5g L-Glutamine peri-workout.

Meals - 3 lbs 85% ground beef, 1.5 lbs beef liver, 2 lbs eye of round roast

Consumed 3,200 mg Betaine-HCL prior to liver and roast meal

Video documentation

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Holy shit this is fuckin nuts.

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but on your presses there may be a couple changes you make that would help you out a bit. A pretty close grip usually works well. I go about an inch out from the smooth. You don’t necessarily have to go that close, but experiment with bringing your grip in. Also, as soon as the bar is high enough, push your head through. It looked like you had the bar in front of you the entire time, but if you can push your head through and don’t shrug up with your traps, but think about pulling them back, that should give you a stronger lockout.

is this real?

Are you really just eating nothing but meat, then fasting for 2 days, repeat?

[quote]csulli wrote:
Holy shit this is fuckin nuts.

I don’t know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but on your presses there may be a couple changes you make that would help you out a bit. A pretty close grip usually works well. I go about an inch out from the smooth. You don’t necessarily have to go that close, but experiment with bringing your grip in. Also, as soon as the bar is high enough, push your head through. It looked like you had the bar in front of you the entire time, but if you can push your head through and don’t shrug up with your traps, but think about pulling them back, that should give you a stronger lockout.[/quote]

I do keep my head back. I’ll work on that thanks.

[quote]Yogi wrote:
is this real?

Are you really just eating nothing but meat, then fasting for 2 days, repeat?[/quote]

Yes. Day 11 now.