Yeah, I’m all back too. I have this real aversion to bending my legs.
lol i just posted an article on this a few minutes ago in my log. of course it’ll take a year to show up. and they go so far to call it “roundback” pulling… but it’s more just on why the mechanics of a high hip setup is better for people with certain bodytypes… especially for experienced lifters with the strength to pull really heavy weights. definitely an interesting read at least. =+)
Snap: Cool. And thanks.
Mim and Cal: I think running is a hamstring dominant activity and my back is strong from prioritizing the pullups–that’s probably why I favor the DL form that I do. It’s really interesting how the body naturally defaults to a pulling style that favors its strengths. It is an extraordinary machine. Yes it is Nikki.
Bobbi and Cal, my fellow high ass deadlifters, any plans to work on getting your ass down or are you guys comfortable with your pulling style?
Deja: Thanks for the nod on the bench. I need to get my confidence up there and stop thinking about it so much. And that DL article was great. If only I could consider myself an experienced lifter, i’d press forward with my ass held high proudly. Unfortunately, at my level, I suspect my preffered form reveals weaknesses too–and ones probably worth addressing. But not yet!
yeah i no doubt support training submax weights with nice low hip, leg dominate form. especially lots of deficit deadlifting. but when you go for maxes…i’m more of the set the hips high if it fits your bodytype camp. =+)
Nope. You’ll pull the way your body is strongest and the way your levers work the best. Getting my legs stronger is a priority for the squat and that will certainly help my dead but plenty of top level deadlifters pull high. You see a lot more men pull this way than women but women are usually stronger in the hips and legs and do better “squatting” the weight up. I’m built more like a “boy” - wider shoulders, narrow hips, strong back - and it makes more sense for me to pull this way. If you have a wicked strong back, use it.
There’s a difference between pulling high and pulling with lumbar flexion (rounding). I pull high but my back doesn’t round. Yours didn’t appear to either. As long as you’re not pulling in flexion it’s plenty safe, just back dominant. If you bounce around youtube you can find loads of top deadlifters pulling the way we do, but 99% of them are men.
[quote]Bobbi Miller wrote:
There’s a difference between pulling high and pulling with lumbar flexion (rounding). I pull high but my back doesn’t round. Yours didn’t appear to either. As long as you’re not pulling in flexion it’s plenty safe, just back dominant. If you bounce around youtube you can find loads of top deadlifters pulling the way we do, but 99% of them are men. [/quote]
yeah nadia i thought ur spine position was fine too.
99% of them are dudes because the second a chick posts a hip high pull she gets six thousand comments on how “wrong” her form is.
I’m a female lobbying the criticism.
I see danger for injury when pulling that many reps with such stiff legs. But you make a good point about back positioning being an important factor. And perhaps some of you have wicked strong backs that can bear the brunt of the lift. I don’t.
I also see a huge difference between pulling for [many] reps and pulling max singles. Form starts to break down for many of us when the weight starts to approach max. I think that’s normal.
Snap, good point. How one feels about pulling with the back is directly proportional to how much back strength v. back pain/weakness one has. For me, I switched to sumo because it was easier on my lower back. So I admit to wincing when I see alot of back pulling.
Nadia has a strong back, and a strong everything-else as far as I can tell!
Lots of interesting info being exchanged here Nadia! I’ve never heard of “roundback” pulling - but I can imagine how it might work for some women. I think I’m all legs, so it would probably not be the best for me…
Imma check out Deja’s link naow.
Keep up the great work Nadia! Have a wonderful holidays 
hell yeah you have a strong back Nadia–with those incredible pullups, you have to be pretty superior in that area!
I really appreciate the discussion going on here too. It’s so different from my real life where my husband’s friends ask him why I’m trying to get so strong, where two of my male colleagues at work have P90x on their christmas wish list because they don’t want to do a program like 5-3-1 because they’re afraid of getting “too big,” and where my next door neighbor stands on her back deck repeatedly yelling my husband’s name while he is trying to flip a tire to ask him what he is doing.
The information, advice, support and criticism that I get here is most welcome because I understand that it is all spoken with an aim towards helping me to get stronger. So thank you all.
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
The information, advice, support and criticism that I get here is most welcome because I understand that it is all spoken with an aim towards helping me to get stronger. So thank you all. [/quote]
Very few regular folks understand “strong” as a goal for a female. “Toned” [argh!] they totally get.
I’m tone deaf.
[quote]nlmain wrote:
I’m tone deaf.[/quote]
HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yeah, the PW compound is sanctuary, that’s for sure.
[quote]dianab wrote:
If you’re having fun it’s all good.
I am a bit confused with your goals tho.
Are you looking to become stronger? If so, put the lifting first. That doesn’t have to be forever, but if you really want to break thru your rep maxes, it’ll go a long way to helping you.
If you are looking to be a better runner, it sounds like so far the weight training has helped you accomplish that. If you are looking to just be fit and healthy with a good mix of strength and cardiovascular endurance, it looks like you’ve got it down.
In regards to 531, there are some great logs in the Over 35 forum that might give you some ideas as well. I wouldn’t feel too bad about bastardizing the program, it’s a great template to give you a baseline, but I find each lift has it’s own set/rep scheme for each person. For me to increase my 1 rep max, 3 is the magic number, 5 is a warm-up and singles only apply to benching on any sort of “regular” basis. If I can perform more than 8 reps of any lift, then it’s not heavy enough. So to me, if you can pull 15 reps @155, this is not going to help your rep maxes as much as strength endurance.
Obviously that’s just one example, so it’ll be interesting to see more of your training.[/quote]
I realize this is a womens thread and Im not going to interfere. just one thing that really bothers me. when you said to go to the over 35 category. personally, i find age related threads highly insulting. Im not going to give my age. but why would she or anyone else have to go to an over anything thread. I consider myself at the very peak of my physical prowess. there is no difference between a 20 year old and a 40 year old woman or man or 35 yr old woman. the only difference exists in your mind and what main stream society tells you. 35 and over is a peak strength and muscle gaining time. look at all the top level powerlifters and bodybuilders, they are all in their mid to late 30s and 40s. I don’t care if i was 60, id never ever go into an age related thread. to me, thats saying, your not the person you once were, so you have to go into this group of other people who are no longer in their prime. to me its highly insulting.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
[quote]dianab wrote:
If you’re having fun it’s all good.
I am a bit confused with your goals tho.
Are you looking to become stronger? If so, put the lifting first. That doesn’t have to be forever, but if you really want to break thru your rep maxes, it’ll go a long way to helping you.
If you are looking to be a better runner, it sounds like so far the weight training has helped you accomplish that. If you are looking to just be fit and healthy with a good mix of strength and cardiovascular endurance, it looks like you’ve got it down.
In regards to 531, there are some great logs in the Over 35 forum that might give you some ideas as well. I wouldn’t feel too bad about bastardizing the program, it’s a great template to give you a baseline, but I find each lift has it’s own set/rep scheme for each person. For me to increase my 1 rep max, 3 is the magic number, 5 is a warm-up and singles only apply to benching on any sort of “regular” basis. If I can perform more than 8 reps of any lift, then it’s not heavy enough. So to me, if you can pull 15 reps @155, this is not going to help your rep maxes as much as strength endurance.
Obviously that’s just one example, so it’ll be interesting to see more of your training.[/quote]
I realize this is a womens thread and Im not going to interfere. just one thing that really bothers me. when you said to go to the over 35 category. personally, i find age related threads highly insulting. Im not going to give my age. but why would she or anyone else have to go to an over anything thread. I consider myself at the very peak of my physical prowess. there is no difference between a 20 year old and a 40 year old woman or man or 35 yr old woman. the only difference exists in your mind and what main stream society tells you. 35 and over is a peak strength and muscle gaining time. look at all the top level powerlifters and bodybuilders, they are all in their mid to late 30s and 40s. I don’t care if i was 60, id never ever go into an age related thread. to me, thats saying, your not the person you once were, so you have to go into this group of other people who are no longer in their prime. to me its highly insulting.
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Diana didn’t tell her to go to the Over 35 section for any reason other than because a lot of people there run the 5/3/1 protocol.
I’m in that Forum because I find certain commonalities with people my own age: being married, having kids, etc. Plus, I compete master’s. I will say that I’m not the person I once was. At 45, I’m stronger and fitter and hotter than ever. So to say that we are there because we think we’re “past our prime” is a bit insulting to me.
Rogue: I appreciate your comments. My mind is generally focused numbers other than my age–like how many pullups can I do; how much weight can I deadlift; how many miles can I run. But, I don’t ignore my age either. It makes me train harder and with greater intensity. I’ve done a fair amount of reading at the elitefts site and one of the comments that always gets me is “unless or until you’ve been lifting for 20 years…”
Well, fuck. I was 38 when I started strength training. I’m late to the party. As a result, and from my perspective, I need to be double fisted and chugging every day to catch up. I don’t miss training days; I prioritize them. I may not be able to articulate clear goals. But, I know that I don’t want leave potential on the table.
I certainly appreciate your opinion that age is not a handicap in the pursuit of strength. I think that too. And I mean to prove it. At the same time, my age precludes me from taking time for granted.
Also, like Ksnap, I did understand that diana was just trying to introduce me to some other folks using 5-3-1. She wasn’t dishing me cause I’m old. Ha!
[quote]Nadia Comeandeat wrote:
Rogue: I appreciate your comments. My mind is generally focused numbers other than my age–like how many pullups can I do; how much weight can I deadlift; how many miles can I run. But, I don’t ignore my age either. It makes me train harder and with greater intensity. I’ve done a fair amount of reading at the elitefts site and one of the comments that always gets me is “unless or until you’ve been lifting for 20 years…”
Well, fuck. I was 38 when I started strength training. I’m late to the party. As a result, and from my perspective, I need to be double fisted and chugging every day to catch up. I don’t miss training days; I prioritize them. I may not be able to articulate clear goals. But, I know that I don’t want leave potential on the table.
I certainly appreciate your opinion that age is not a handicap in the pursuit of strength. I think that too. And I mean to prove it. At the same time, my age precludes me from taking time for granted.
Also, like Ksnap, I did understand that diana was just trying to introduce me to some other folks using 5-3-1. She wasn’t dishing me cause I’m old. Ha![/quote]
old is a state of mind, nothing more. thats one reason i never ever tell my age. if someone asks, i just say id rather not say. its my belief, that people judge you based on your age. society in general does. and to be honest, i don’t like it. and i won’t be a part of that area. by not saying your age, you in effect eliminate yourself from age.
[quote]roguevampire wrote:
old is a state of mind, nothing more. thats one reason i never ever tell my age. if someone asks, i just say id rather not say. its my belief, that people judge you based on your age. society in general does. and to be honest, i don’t like it. and i won’t be a part of that area. by not saying your age, you in effect eliminate yourself from age.
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You must not be very old my friend. Because even as young as I am, the wrinkles around my eyes and the graying of my hair and pubes tells me that the phenomena of aging is real. No one is going to mistake me for twenty five. Yes, I have heard that exercise can effect positive changes at the cellular level, but time is a relentless opponent and physical decline is, albeit in varying degrees to be sure, the inevitable award of a long life.
Fortunately, our bodies are but one component of ourselves.
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Training today
5 mile run in the early am
Military 5-3-1 in the early pm
MP
50x5
55x3
60x10
barx5x5
Pullups 5x5
This is my second cycle with nothing going on in MP. Pullups totally sucked ass too. I chickened out on a max effort bw set and then I didn’t even have the strength to crank the volume to make myself feel better. The bar felt heavy and my body felt heavy. Good thing it’s time for a deload. I appear to need one.