The Official Rap Music Thread

[Airtruth]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:

See I guess thats where we disagree. I don’t think its a culture, in fact I’ll go as far as to say half the people claiming its a street culture never been in the streets.

Hip Hop is a style of music and yes a mode of expression all built around entertaining you. Whether making you dance, making you dream, inspiring you(negative or positive) its all music. Kids get lossed thinking its an actual culture and they are supposed to replicate the gang violence, hustling and other mindless endeavors these rappers rap about.

People (especially young people) replicate what they consume. If you knew anything about human psychology you’d know that.

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I only see one line of new post, what happened broke your fingers? I suspect your holding back, c’mon write more to prove you like to see yourself type.

[Big_Boss]

How can you deny hip-hop as being a culture? If you’ve followed hip-hop from its inception,how can you even question that?

Its not just about “mindless” kids copying artist with violence,hustling,etc. as you said…besides hip-hop doesn’t inspire hustling,violence,drugs…it was already there…society,poverty,etc. inspired those things. Its the environment that a lot of artists came from. Think about it…those artists wanted the world to know what they experienced…(think Public Enemy)

Unfortunately,those artists inspired and had such great impact on another generation of artists that “idolized” them(think NWA). That generation of artists impacted another generation of artists that inheritantly are “idolizing” the previous generation…and so on. Thats were it went down hill. Freedom of speech is very empowering…sometimes too empowering. Add cultural,societal influence to that.

Anyways,Hip-hop has its own language,slang,art,clothing,and dance. Its a culture that has impacted everything. Also,dance is not just entertainment…it is expression…especially to African-Americans.

Its roots as expression run alway back to our roots and traditions in Africa. Dance was spiritual and ritual,but of course it is entertainment now…but thats another story.

I think “true” hip-hop is dying because everything has pretty much already been said and expressed. There is lack of inspiration…sadly. Throw big music corporations in the mix and you have the recipe for disaster.

They just want to make money…they sign anybody to a record deal…talented or otherwise. Radio stations play junk that everybody knows is junk. There is no true respect for hip-hop as there once was. Thats why its dying out.

Now that I got that off my chest,…what yall think about Kanye’s new album??

[Big_Boss]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
How would you define the Hip-hop subculture?

One filled with bad taste in music, cloths and general comportment?

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and guys with makeup,long(sometimes colored)hair,and extra tight pants was good taste??

[EmilyQ]

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
How would you define the Hip-hop subculture?

One filled with bad taste in music, cloths and general comportment?

and guys with makeup,long(sometimes colored)hair,and extra tight pants was good taste??[/quote]

Lookin’ good, boys!

[Robert_P]

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
If absolutely necessary for definition purposes you want to claim subculture I’ll compromise, but even then considering a culture is defined by its music, actions, clothing, artwork, and influences. How would you define the Hip-hop subculture?[/quote]

This was partially answered, but I’d like to go into a bit more depth about it. Music is obvious, it’s what most people talk about when they mention hip hop.

Clothing, well, I think everyone my age has heard the sentence “Pull your pants up”. Also, hoodies, baggy shrits, pants and sweaters, bling, and many other elements could be considered typical of the subculture.

Artwork may be one of the less obvious elements, but a bboy will tell you it’s about 3 things: the music first of all, the dance as your expression of it, and graffiti to express everything else you may not be able to communicate through music or dance. Graffiti is an integral part of the subculture and should be considered art, which gets a bad rap (no pun intended) sometimes because it is done illegally.

Influences were already stated. It has influences from dancehall reggae, funk, is sometimes hard to tell from RnB, has soul elements, etc. Also, practically every modern rapper will name one of the “greats” as the person who inspired them, and those greats would again mention someone they were influenced by.

So, to make a long story short, I’d say the makings of a subculture are definitely there.

[Airtruth]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
How would you define the Hip-hop subculture?

One filled with bad taste in music, cloths and general comportment?

and guys with makeup,long(sometimes colored)hair,and extra tight pants was good taste??\

You’re making a logical fallacy, actually a fallacy of presumption, relative to my primary point.

I said I was not fond of rap music. I then made the comment above. But I never stated that I liked bands running around in tight pants and poofy hair. That is something that you are attempting to attribute to me. Hence, it has no merit.

What you should be telling me is why your music is good. Backed up by it’s relevance with in society.

But I do give you credit for at least engaging me minus the name calling and feeble attempts at censorship.

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Okay I’m starting to get upset. Just when I decided that playing with my scroll wheel was fun, you decide to shorten your posts. With your last few post I barely scrolled half a page. This is ridiculous I can’t win. I think i’ll just copy and past all your post into one.

[Big_Boss]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jtg987 wrote:
I find this too be the most enjoyable form of music and was interested in what other T-Nationers listen too

As long as you asked, I think rap music in general sucks ass. I’m a fan of old rock and roll.

Oh…and thanks for asking.

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My bad…I guess you should of been more specific of what “old” rock n roll you’re a fan of.

[Big_Boss]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

What you should be telling me is why your music is good. Backed up by it’s relevance with in society.
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Actually,you’re the one who is more inclined to prove your point. What good would it do to tell you why “my” music is good?? Its like an idiot getting mad because his grass grows even though he cuts it. You’re too convinced,therefore its a waste of my time.

If you had made an honest attempt at discussing your views,maybe you wouldn’t be treated as an ignorant asshole hijacking “The Official Rap Music Thread” for his own personal satisfaction…i’ve noticed you’re doing the same in other threads,too. You’re just a negative person. Get a life.

[JohnnyBlaze]

The best thing to do to a post hijacker is ignore them, then that gives them nothing to feed on

[meangenes]

[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
If absolutely necessary for definition purposes you want to claim subculture I’ll compromise, but even then considering a culture is defined by its music, actions, clothing, artwork, and influences. How would you define the Hip-hop subculture?

This was partially answered, but I’d like to go into a bit more depth about it. Music is obvious, it’s what most people talk about when they mention hip hop.

Clothing, well, I think everyone my age has heard the sentence “Pull your pants up”. Also, hoodies, baggy shrits, pants and sweaters, bling, and many other elements could be considered typical of the subculture.

Artwork may be one of the less obvious elements, but a bboy will tell you it’s about 3 things: the music first of all, the dance as your expression of it, and graffiti to express everything else you may not be able to communicate through music or dance. Graffiti is an integral part of the subculture and should be considered art, which gets a bad rap (no pun intended) sometimes because it is done illegally.

Influences were already stated. It has influences from dancehall reggae, funk, is sometimes hard to tell from RnB, has soul elements, etc. Also, practically every modern rapper will name one of the “greats” as the person who inspired them, and those greats would again mention someone they were influenced by.

So, to make a long story short, I’d say the makings of a subculture are definitely there.[/quote]

There four elements, four. C’mon.

The DJ.
The B-boy.
The MC.
The Graf Writer.

[jtg987]

[quote]meangenes wrote:

Anyone ever hear of a guy named Ohmega Watts? I just picked up on him about a month ago. He’s real good to not be heard of. Check him out.

The topic is The Official Rap Music Thread, not Micky act like an ignoramus.[/quote]

com is mos def that nigga lol… he has been so consistent that people shouldnt hate on him, i understand not everyone will like his music but they still should respect him, the man embodies hip hop even break danced when he was in melbourne

yeh i’ve been on ohmega watts for awhile definatly a dope mc

[jtg987]

[quote]wsk wrote:
UK hiphop often gets neglected.
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yeah it does, i’ll admit i generally dont listen too it either however this year on a whim i decided to buy the latest dizze rascal album, its possibly one of the best albums released in recent memory, great album

[jtg987]

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
This appearance is brought to you by the mindless little knit wit known as meangenes, who refuses to allow me to leave the thread. And has tried to squash my right to comment on an open thread in a public forum. Which as he can see by now…just doesn’t work.

(Shaking head) kids…

meangenes wrote:
Wow, maturity level check.

Mick as stated before. You don’t have an opinion of Hip Hop music or culture.

Now that is a foolish statement. If you said that in your opinion I didn’t have an informed opinion, that makes sense, even though you’d be wrong.

But, stating that I don’t have an opinion is just like…well like many of your posts, immature and stupid.

You don’t listen to Hip Hop and you are ignorant to the culture.

But I have listened to hip hop and I’m not ignorant to the culture.

Your opinion is not even creditable.

My opinion is different than your opinion. And that bothers you. Like I said before, in the real world (you know when you grow up) you’ll have to put up with conflicting opinions all the time.

So…why not start now junior?

Do you understand? You are not intelligent.

I’m not intelligent because I don’t agree with your take on rap music? Hey, I can’t argue with that logic.

You think you can come here and let your balls hang out.

Yea, I pretty much have already done that. It’s a message board moron not your house. If you want a private conversation start PMing, otherwise, grow some thicker skin and tough it out.

As I said before stop bickering about something that doesn’t concern you, and get a life.

But it does concern me. I’ve already explained how these threads work. If you don’t like it, you can leave, or grow the fuck up. I don’t care which.

I never thought I would be telling a grown man member of T-Nation how to act like more like a man.

I think you’d first have to be a man before you could tell anyone to act like one.

That means moving out of your parents basement and actually supporting yourself. You might be surprised that it’s a lot harder than posting on a rap thread. Now run along junior before you further embarrass yourself.

You are acting petty. Like a child, while grown people are trying to hold a real conversation about SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, something we find to be of significant cultural value. Non-cultured people such as yourself need not apply.

Yea, I see grown, mature people listening to rap everyday. Men on Wall Street. grown men with children. Men who hold important powerful positions…No wait…I guess I don’t. But I do see a lot of immature little knit wits like yourself listening to that shit. And you are so dense you can’t even stay on topic. You’ve let my one criticism from an early post throw you off.

LOL

And thanks for giving me yet another shot at you. Hopefully others who care more about me than rap music will also bring me back in.

Having fun yet?

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man if all you did was come in here too complain go kill yourself, seriously…i didnt want too hear some 50 year old loser or some 17 year old emo punk come into a thread about what rap music people listen too and complain cause they either dont understand the culture or choose too remain ignorant and then take the stance if i dont like it, it must be shit…

if you got such a problem with the content go listen too

krs one
rakim
talib kweli
kanye west
common
mos def
ice cube

and really the n word debate is stupid

yes im a 20 year old caucasian male, its a word, deal with it

[cevet]

-talib kweli
-mos def
-the roots
-hi tek
-strong arm steady
-j dilla
-jedi mind tricks
-masta ace
-dead prez
-tribe called quest
-roots manuva
-little brother

[JohnnyBlaze]

Yeah, Dizzee Rascal is pretty wicked.

Haven’t actually heard Kanye’s new album yet, but might have to get a bootleg copy off my brother, lol.

[Airtruth]

[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
If absolutely necessary for definition purposes you want to claim subculture I’ll compromise, but even then considering a culture is defined by its music, actions, clothing, artwork, and influences. How would you define the Hip-hop subculture?

This was partially answered, but I’d like to go into a bit more depth about it. Music is obvious, it’s what most people talk about when they mention hip hop.

Clothing, well, I think everyone my age has heard the sentence “Pull your pants up”. Also, hoodies, baggy shrits, pants and sweaters, bling, and many other elements could be considered typical of the subculture.

Artwork may be one of the less obvious elements, but a bboy will tell you it’s about 3 things: the music first of all, the dance as your expression of it, and graffiti to express everything else you may not be able to communicate through music or dance. Graffiti is an integral part of the subculture and should be considered art, which gets a bad rap (no pun intended) sometimes because it is done illegally.

Influences were already stated. It has influences from dancehall reggae, funk, is sometimes hard to tell from RnB, has soul elements, etc. Also, practically every modern rapper will name one of the “greats” as the person who inspired them, and those greats would again mention someone they were influenced by.

So, to make a long story short, I’d say the makings of a subculture are definitely there.[/quote]

The exact reason I say hip hop is not a culture there is not consistent dress, unless your going to say the likes of Common, Talib, andre 3000 and others are not part of hip hop. They don’t dress anything like 50. They don’t rock baggy shirts, hoodies, or huge sweaters.

Even Jay-z brought out the button up. Are you going to say he is not hip hop? For the last 2 years rappers have been wearing alot more suits, are they immediately casted out of hip hop culture?

Graffiti and intergral part? 90% of hip hop listeners in America have never done grafiti, not because its bad just because don’t care too. So none of these people who support the financial dynamics of hip hop by going to concerts and listening to records not a part of hip hop?

It is a music and dance which is an entertainment, and unless every type of music is a subculture you can not defind HipHop subculture by this.

I am not against confining the music to only people who like it, but generally when you call something a subculture you confine it to the style that it should be.

True HipHop fans are not confined to any one style but just good music. If its a pop song and it’s good then so be it, if it’s reggae country or whatever. But when you try to limit the rappers that are enjoying the great life from rapping and describing their life you are taking away from the essence of the music.

As people try to confine it, the record labels follow which is why you have all these copycat pre-made hit single artists, and a fifty cent that is locked into one formula. 50 of his last two albums is not the same 50 that grew into “Get rich or die trying”.

He said it himself he found a formula and tries to mimick it over and over to sell now. The only reason he can say that is because everybody feels hip hop should be one way. Thats not how it came about.