[quote]Waittz wrote:
The average person in the gym strives too much for perfection. They aim for an ideal, or an end goal, without acknowledging their genetic short commings or limits. They put too much time and focus into ‘lagging’ muscles or details like rear dealts/biceps etc when they could be spending that time and effort on other things that would get overall better results. Think of the skinny dudes who hit arms twice a week but cant squat their bodyweight 10 times. Think of the average guy who spends 6 months focusing on ‘shoulders’ and fails to add any weight to their main lifts.
Unless you are going to get on stage, or make this your income provider, developing your body should be viewed like a poker, play the hand your are dealt and do you damndest to make the best out of it. Never go all in with a Jack high. [/quote]
Me when I was Hs. For 3 yrs all I did was incline bench, shoulder laterals and arms. 5 times a week. Talk about imbalances. Happy to say leg training and back training are now my favorites for the last 2 years
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Confession. People love to think PEDs are magic. No they aren’t. They are tool just like bb or a Hs machine. You figure out how to use it intelligently and work your ass off and then yes results will be good. Nutrition, and training have to be on point to get the best results. I’ve never understood those who use them as a crutch. You will never get everything out of them that way.
Also many things dictate response genetics being a large determiner of how well one responds to a certain dose and compound [/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Close friend of mine who is competing in USA’s in May. He in the last year has gone from a fairly lean 210ish to 255 with obliques showing using a shitload of gear. slin and GH included. He made more progress in 1.5 years than he has in the last 10 years of training solidly.[/quote]
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I am like 10,000 times happier at 12-14% bodyfat than I ever was 6-8%. [/quote]
This. Only with different BF % of course.
Being contest lean is cool but its hard to really enjoy life and even having that physique. I’m much happier being “fat”, strong, and able to enjoy doing things with family and friends.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
-I may strangle the next person who says “that’s just your genetics,” regardless of whether it pertains to limitations or accomplishments.
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Change your major before it’s too late.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I am like 10,000 times happier at 12-14% bodyfat than I ever was 6-8%. [/quote]
This. Only with different BF % of course.
Being contest lean is cool but its hard to really enjoy life and even having that physique. I’m much happier being “fat”, strong, and able to enjoy doing things with family and friends.
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Buckeye, I wouldn’t call what you’ve got “being fat”. Based on your avi you look damn good. And any teeny bopper, Hollister, or Abercrombie bitch (whether male or female) that says otherwise don’t understand what I real woman should look like and can go off themselves in the most painful way possible.
Good to hear about never being happier regarding your current physique. I was semi-serious only because I was curious if one could still see abs at that bodyfat (I assumed your estimate was accurate) and joking regarding the SO being happy. Its important, but a good SO will be happy with you regardless, especially if you’re happy with yourself.
Do BB Hip Thrusts in the gym and wink at someone if they stare. That will solve all of your problems.
If you have longer arms or your primarily hitting shoulders/tri’s with benching, move more towards other chest developing options - flyes, pec-deck, dips, etc. There are other options than bench. I’ve personally found that the leaner you get, the more your chest sticks/stands out.
Lonnie, I don’t want to speak for Ryan, but I think he was trying to say that PED’s are just another tool, meaning they can’t do everything for you, but they do indeed do quite a lot if used properly/effectively. I’ve never heard of a “bad responder” who ate, trained, and then actually did a solid PCT to get their natural T up to maintain their gains (though there is more to it than that, and keeping gains may require TRT after a certain point).
Do BB Hip Thrusts in the gym and wink at someone if they stare. That will solve all of your problems.
If you have longer arms or your primarily hitting shoulders/tri’s with benching, move more towards other chest developing options - flyes, pec-deck, dips, etc. There are other options than bench. I’ve personally found that the leaner you get, the more your chest sticks/stands out.
Lonnie, I don’t want to speak for Ryan, but I think he was trying to say that PED’s are just another tool, meaning they can’t do everything for you, but they do indeed do quite a lot if used properly/effectively. I’ve never heard of a “bad responder” who ate, trained, and then actually did a solid PCT to get their natural T up to maintain their gains (though there is more to it than that, and keeping gains may require TRT after a certain point).
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I’m hoping Lonnie was joking I didn’t think what I wrote showed I thought a Hs machine would be like PEDs
My chest blows. It started growing when I through rom out the window and worked in the range where my chest did the work. Did higher reps and more isolation works long with tempo work and didn’t worry about weight. Stupid long monkey arms and poor Mmc
If you have longer arms or your primarily hitting shoulders/tri’s with benching, move more towards other chest developing options - flyes, pec-deck, dips, etc. There are other options than bench. I’ve personally found that the leaner you get, the more your chest sticks/stands out.
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I’ve been primarily using floor press and cable flys, as of late. Now I just need to be patient and eat.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
-I may strangle the next person who says “that’s just your genetics,” regardless of whether it pertains to limitations or accomplishments.
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Change your major before it’s too late.[/quote]
I have Biochemistry this semester, there might be problems.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Confession. People love to think PEDs are magic. No they aren’t. They are tool just like bb or a Hs machine. You figure out how to use it intelligently and work your ass off and then yes results will be good. Nutrition, and training have to be on point to get the best results. I’ve never understood those who use them as a crutch. You will never get everything out of them that way.
Also many things dictate response genetics being a large determiner of how well one responds to a certain dose and compound [/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Close friend of mine who is competing in USA’s in May. He in the last year has gone from a fairly lean 210ish to 255 with obliques showing using a shitload of gear. slin and GH included. He made more progress in 1.5 years than he has in the last 10 years of training solidly.[/quote]
Please show me the HS machine that will do THIS[/quote]
This.
I don’t like to demonize juice, but it irks me just as much when people praise the hard work of pros with excellent genetics. If you’re training seriously, hard work is a given. It’s not an accomplishment, but a prerequisite. That’s the standard I would expect on a bb forum. Given their situation, the efforts they put in aren’t in excess of what any truly serious trainee does.
Put it this way… What separates, say Stu, from the average gym-goer - that’s hard work and dedication. What separates Kiyoshi Moody from Stu - that’s genetics. What separates Phil Heath from Kiyoshi Moody - PEDs.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Confession. People love to think PEDs are magic. No they aren’t. They are tool just like bb or a Hs machine. You figure out how to use it intelligently and work your ass off and then yes results will be good. Nutrition, and training have to be on point to get the best results. I’ve never understood those who use them as a crutch. You will never get everything out of them that way.
Also many things dictate response genetics being a large determiner of how well one responds to a certain dose and compound [/quote]
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Close friend of mine who is competing in USA’s in May. He in the last year has gone from a fairly lean 210ish to 255 with obliques showing using a shitload of gear. slin and GH included. He made more progress in 1.5 years than he has in the last 10 years of training solidly.[/quote]
Please show me the HS machine that will do THIS[/quote]
This.
I don’t like to demonize juice, but it irks me just as much when people praise the hard work of pros with excellent genetics. If you’re training seriously, hard work is a given. It’s not an accomplishment, but a prerequisite. That’s the standard I would expect on a bb forum. Given their situation, the efforts they put in aren’t in excess of what any truly serious trainee does.
Put it this way… What separates, say Stu, from the average gym-goer - that’s hard work and dedication. What separates Kiyoshi Moody from Stu - that’s genetics. What separates Phil Heath from Kiyoshi Moody - PEDs.
[quote]Majin wrote:
Put it this way… What separates, say Stu, from the average gym-goer - that’s hard work and dedication. What separates Kiyoshi Moody from Stu - that’s genetics. What separates Phil Heath from Kiyoshi Moody - PEDs. [/quote]
While I don’t want to be unfair to Stu, he did/does need some genetic blessing to have won the competitions that he has. Besides that, Kiyoshi’s status isn’t exactly crystal clear. What separates Phil from the rest of elite bodybuilders is mostly genetics but that’s what separates everyone really. Which is why playing the guessing game of “is he on gear” is ultimately useless.
All we can really say is that the geared people who have great physiques would likely still have success without PEDs, because the only way to get quality muscle at all is to WORK HARD, EAT, and RECOVER.
Gymnasts look totally badass, bodybuilders look horrible. Leanness is so much more appealing than bulk. Im yet to meet a chick that prefers 17 inch arms over a surfers abs
Human health is such a staggeringly complex science with so much individuality involved that none of us really know half as much as what we think we do
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories
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I’ve been primarily using floor press and cable flys, as of late. Now I just need to be patient and eat.[/quote]
I never could feel my chest doing any pressing until I tried floor and/or pin pressing where I start in the hole. Hoping to see some progress now that I have found that it works for me though.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories[/quote]
Then why I do I see the game changer make so mnay ppl not huge at all and I still question if they lift? For every person that has great results there are 3 that look like shit IMO
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I was only half joking. Steroids are “just a tool” but that’s like saying a jack hammer and a chisel are both “just tools.” Results may vary with each tool depending on the person, but the jack hammer is a game changer.
There is a reason there is “body building” and “natural body building” … They are two different categories[/quote]
Then why I do I see the game changer make so mnay ppl not huge at all and I still question if they lift? For every person that has great results there are 3 that look like shit IMO [/quote]
Agreed, many people on this very site that use look horrendous lol.
