[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I think biceps are overemphasized in BB and the back used to be under-emphasized. My biceps suck as a result of my beliefs and refusal to put consistent effort into them lol.
I also think it’s easy to get big biceps and I’ll prove myself right by the end of the year.[/quote]
I hate you for that bicep comment. Teach me how to grow them plz
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’m weak as fuck. [/quote]
That makes two of us, lol.
lol in ^
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I think biceps are overemphasized in BB and the back used to be under-emphasized. My biceps suck as a result of my beliefs and refusal to put consistent effort into them lol.
I also think it’s easy to get big biceps and I’ll prove myself right by the end of the year.[/quote]
I hate you for that bicep comment. Teach me how to grow them plz [/quote]
I could be talking out of my butt. We’ll see by the end of the year. The plan is pinwheel curls with straps (wrist cocked back and hand against db if going lighter) and then any type of curl with my palms up. wrists cocked back on these too usually
I am like 10,000 times happier at 12-14% bodyfat than I ever was 6-8%.
[quote]ChristNhero wrote:
Everyone seems to regard Arnold as the greatest BBer of all time, yet in my opinion his legs weren’t big enough for the rest of his body, and I could say the exact same thing about Frank Zane. Am I the only one who thinks this? I don’t know about you guys, but to me they would’ve looked even better with a slightly bigger set of wheels.[/quote]
Flame free response, as impressive as the wheels on todays monsters are…the Arnold/Zane look is aesthetic as FUQ! Greek God status.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’m weak as fuck. [/quote]
I’m strong as fuck.
jk.
I am growing in disdain for the idea that folks with impressive bodypart ‘x’ must know some “secret” to developing it. Here’s the reality - they most likely train or do very similar exercises to you, its their genetics that make their ‘x’ bodypart look better. That and more time doing the exercise and weight used - not the exercise itself.
Anyone can get big on drugs. I’ve been frequenting and reading a forum for the past year that proves this. If a certain dose doesn’t work, you increase it and eat more. The only way you mess up is you don’t eat enough to recover to the extent the drugs will allow or you didn’t train enough to stimulate growth - more than likely the former than the latter. As they say on the forum - anyone can get to 220lbs relatively lean while on. Take enough of the stuff and it will happen - though there’s no garauntees you can go pro or that you’ll look amazing - that’s genetics.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I am like 10,000 times happier at 12-14% bodyfat than I ever was 6-8%. [/quote]
But do you still have abs and is your wife/girlfriend happy with that look? (semi-serious)
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I am growing in disdain for the idea that folks with impressive bodypart ‘x’ must know some “secret” to developing it. Here’s the reality - they most likely train or do very similar exercises to you, its their genetics that make their ‘x’ bodypart look better. That and more time doing the exercise and weight used - not the exercise itself.
Anyone can get big on drugs. I’ve been frequenting and reading a forum for the past year that proves this. If a certain dose doesn’t work, you increase it and eat more. The only way you mess up is you don’t eat enough to recover to the extent the drugs will allow or you didn’t train enough to stimulate growth - more than likely the former than the latter. As they say on the forum - anyone can get to 220lbs relatively lean while on. Take enough of the stuff and it will happen - though there’s no garauntees you can go pro or that you’ll look amazing - that’s genetics.[/quote]
Guess I need to up my drug dose and eating!
I have seen people be on a decent amount of drugs and not gain shit. Probably due to lack of eating. I just never understood why you would waste so much money and then not do something as routine as eating enough.
Not really a confession, but anyway…
If you consider yourself a bodybuilder and dont use strict form on all of your iso arm work, IMO you are wasting your energy and time.
I cant think of any reason someone would get as good or greater benefit from using a hefty amount of body-english for iso arm work rather than keeping the form at least mostly tight.
I would agree. I figured you might respond. I’m not saying you can take it and sit around, but the solution to getting bigger is honestly eat more and take more. One of their famous quotes on that forum is “you’re only as big as your dose.” And there are a number of big guys there, far outweighing the small ones (pun intended).
I have a co-worker who admits to running dbol in college, said he got nothing but fat from it. Why? Because he continued to drink beer, didn’t follow a solid diet, and just did the same old thing in the gym. Take the same mini-man, same dosage, feed him a high protein diet with proper carbs/fats, and get him consistently to the gym, and he’d probably have gained 10-15lbs since it was his first cycle. I’m not claiming steroids do everything, I’m saying the drugs do their thing regardless, you just have to feed what they can do. Its not an exact science, otherwise bro’s wouldn’t be getting huge with it, only those who had doctors or coaches would be able to.
Note relatively lean isn’t bodybuilding stage lean, but 10-12% is no problem for the guys on cocktails. Remember they are running everything they can afford to get their hands on - steroids, gh, and slin. I saw Waylander post on there after leaving this forum, he gained 20lbs off of using slin the first time… damned impressive as his weight and physique were already looking solid.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I would agree. I figured you might respond. I’m not saying you can take it and sit around, but the solution to getting bigger is honestly eat more and take more. One of their famous quotes on that forum is “you’re only as big as your dose.” And there are a number of big guys there, far outweighing the small ones (pun intended).
I have a co-worker who admits to running dbol in college, said he got nothing but fat from it. Why? Because he continued to drink beer, didn’t follow a solid diet, and just did the same old thing in the gym. Take the same mini-man, same dosage, feed him a high protein diet with proper carbs/fats, and get him consistently to the gym, and he’d probably have gained 10-15lbs since it was his first cycle. I’m not claiming steroids do everything, I’m saying the drugs do their thing regardless, you just have to feed what they can do. Its not an exact science, otherwise bro’s wouldn’t be getting huge with it, only those who had doctors or coaches would be able to.
Note relatively lean isn’t bodybuilding stage lean, but 10-12% is no problem for the guys on cocktails. Remember they are running everything they can afford to get their hands on - steroids, gh, and slin. I saw Waylander post on there after leaving this forum, he gained 20lbs off of using slin the first time… damned impressive as his weight and physique were already looking solid. [/quote]
No doubt there. Close friend of mine who is competing in USA’s in May. He in the last year has gone from a fairly lean 210ish to 255 with obliques showing using a shitload of gear. slin and GH included. He made more progress in 1.5 years than he has in the last 10 years of training solidly.
I think the big issue (and I probably should have better stated it in my original comment), is that the drugs don’t just do everything. You can’t take them and do nothing and get big. If you add drugs and continue your inactive, unhealthy lifestyle, don’t expect a change.
If you understand how to eat, are consistent with training, and add a stimulus like drugs, you are going to blow up. That is why all experienced guys on PED’s who genuinely care about newbies say, get your shit in line before thinking about the drugs. The initial response will always be your greatest response, don’t waste it (just like newbie gains when starting lifting). If you can handle the eating and training, and are willing to take big doses (dependent on your response), there is no stopping you becoming a monster to the general public and “big” to those who are into lifting. In that sense to me, it is a magical thing. You really don’t change or do anything special when taking it, you just add more of what you’re already doing (more food, more weight).
The degree of work ethic was the same before taking the PED’s, the PED’s just put those results into hyperdrive.
Along the lines of the dosage talk, After talking with a few guys and looking back over my younger self’s thinking, I think most naturals GROSSLY over estimate what they are capable of (and because no one talks about it, the drugs others use are largely to blame)
A buddy of mine who has been training for probably 5 years, who was recently up to a chubby 220 and has slowly and intelligently dieted down to 190 (and wants to get to 180 because he isnt lean enough yet) STILL thinks he can realistically get back up to 220 and be leaner than he is now. He had no hesitation when I questioned that he wanted to be 40 pounds heavier and leaner than we will be at 180… None at all.
This was basically my exact story several times over. Get to a fat 220… Diet down. “Lean gain” back up to 220 so I’ll be nice a lean when I’m back up to that weight… Get fat again. Fuck it, I need to get to 240 and THEN diet to 220… Did that, Fat as shit.
Obviously everyone is different, but really for most guys in the 5’9-5’11 range I really think a lean 180-190 is about what you can expect after a decade or so. Give it another decade of brutality and you probably get that up about 10-15 pounds, but Idont see many people I KNOW are natty’s walking around at 200+ lean.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I am growing in disdain for the idea that folks with impressive bodypart ‘x’ must know some “secret” to developing it. Here’s the reality - they most likely train or do very similar exercises to you, its their genetics that make their ‘x’ bodypart look better. That and more time doing the exercise and weight used - not the exercise itself.
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^THIS. I’ve known too many people with a standout bodypart or two, who did nothing brilliant, or killer intense to develop them. All it means is that they naturally had an inclination for those muscles or movements, otherwise everything else would be in proportion, and there would be no standouts.
Despite the occasional BS articles sometimes attributed to Yates on his calf training, in person he always maintained that his came easy, and he wasn’t the guy to give brilliant advice on them. IMO using one or two bodyparts that obviously trump your others are proof of anything other than genetic predisposition is just silly in most instances.
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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Along the lines of the dosage talk, After talking with a few guys and looking back over my younger self’s thinking, I think most naturals GROSSLY over estimate what they are capable of (and because no one talks about it, the drugs others use are largely to blame)
A buddy of mine who has been training for probably 5 years, who was recently up to a chubby 220 and has slowly and intelligently dieted down to 190 (and wants to get to 180 because he isnt lean enough yet) STILL thinks he can realistically get back up to 220 and be leaner than he is now. He had no hesitation when I questioned that he wanted to be 40 pounds heavier and leaner than we will be at 180… None at all.
This was basically my exact story several times over. Get to a fat 220… Diet down. “Lean gain” back up to 220 so I’ll be nice a lean when I’m back up to that weight… Get fat again. Fuck it, I need to get to 240 and THEN diet to 220… Did that, Fat as shit.
Obviously everyone is different, but really for most guys in the 5’9-5’11 range I really think a lean 180-190 is about what you can expect after a decade or so. Give it another decade of brutality and you probably get that up about 10-15 pounds, but Idont see many people I KNOW are natty’s walking around at 200+ lean.[/quote]
Nice one. There are several levels to this self-deception drama I think:
Level 1: Those who never seriously dieted down in their BBing life (the typical perma-bulkers) - they don’t know shit (being open-minded and reading about it on here will not help much)
Level 2: Those who did seriously diet down at least once in their BBing life, but not for a contest - they think they know, but really don’t
Level 3: Those who did one proper BBing prep - they basically know, but might still overestimate their progress until the 2nd show (saying vs secretly believing)
Level 4: The BBing veterans with 2+ shows under their belts - they know.
I’m a Level 2 myself.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lol in ^
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I think biceps are overemphasized in BB and the back used to be under-emphasized. My biceps suck as a result of my beliefs and refusal to put consistent effort into them lol.
I also think it’s easy to get big biceps and I’ll prove myself right by the end of the year.[/quote]
I hate you for that bicep comment. Teach me how to grow them plz [/quote]
I could be talking out of my butt. We’ll see by the end of the year. The plan is pinwheel curls with straps (wrist cocked back and hand against db if going lighter) and then any type of curl with my palms up. wrists cocked back on these too usually[/quote]
I’m just under the impression my biceps hate me
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I am growing in disdain for the idea that folks with impressive bodypart ‘x’ must know some “secret” to developing it. Here’s the reality - they most likely train or do very similar exercises to you, its their genetics that make their ‘x’ bodypart look better. That and more time doing the exercise and weight used - not the exercise itself.
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^THIS. I’ve known too many people with a standout bodypart or two, who did nothing brilliant, or killer intense to develop them. All it means is that they naturally had an inclination for those muscles or movements, otherwise everything else would be in proportion, and there would be no standouts.
Despite the occasional BS articles sometimes attributed to Yates on his calf training, in person he always maintained that his came easy, and he wasn’t the guy to give brilliant advice on them. IMO using one or two bodyparts that obviously trump your others are proof of anything other than genetic predisposition is just silly in most instances.
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I like taking advice from someone whos has a body part that is ok but was seriously lagging most of his lifting career. Means he had to put in work to make it grow
Confession. People love to think PEDs are magic. No they aren’t. They are tool just like bb or a Hs machine. You figure out how to use it intelligently and work your ass off and then yes results will be good. Nutrition, and training have to be on point to get the best results. I’ve never understood those who use them as a crutch. You will never get everything out of them that way.
Also many things dictate response genetics being a large determiner of how well one responds to a certain dose and compound
The average person in the gym strives too much for perfection. They aim for an ideal, or an end goal, without acknowledging their genetic short commings or limits. They put too much time and focus into ‘lagging’ muscles or details like rear dealts/biceps etc when they could be spending that time and effort on other things that would get overall better results. Think of the skinny dudes who hit arms twice a week but cant squat their bodyweight 10 times. Think of the average guy who spends 6 months focusing on ‘shoulders’ and fails to add any weight to their main lifts.
Unless you are going to get on stage, or make this your income provider, developing your body should be viewed like a poker, play the hand your are dealt and do you damndest to make the best out of it. Never go all in with a Jack high.