The Flame-Free Confession Thread

Training
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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of doing what works for the person what they enjoy. My training would be considered stupid by 90% of people. Too much volume too much cardio blah blah. I enjoy it and I progress so that what I do. But I also think everyone should be striving to learn more and tweak things. I do not understand the mentality of well if its broke don’t fix it ever. Even if its not broke maybe I can make it go faster or easier or corner better or be more efficient. Ect. But obv you don’t really want these thoughts so not sure why I typed this :slight_smile: actualky I am just trying not to study for foundations of medicine test on tues

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of doing what works for the person what they enjoy. My training would be considered stupid by 90% of people. Too much volume too much cardio blah blah. I enjoy it and I progress so that what I do. But I also think everyone should be striving to learn more and tweak things. I do not understand the mentality of well if its broke don’t fix it ever. Even if its not broke maybe I can make it go faster or easier or corner better or be more efficient. Ect. But obv you don’t really want these thoughts so not sure why I typed this :slight_smile: actualky I am just trying not to study for foundations of medicine test on tues
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You really don’t have to continually try to validate your beliefs and methods all the time, especially when it is unsolicited. I understand if I ask a question or you directly about it, but to interject every time someone says something in a statement just because it goes against your method or belief is pretty annoying. I really don’t care if your training approach works for you and I wish you wouldn’t care so much to try to prove that it does.

Think of it this way, unless someone asks an open question that your beliefs may give an answer or relative opinion to or someone asks you what you think, throwing high volume high cardio training at someone and telling them why it works when they didnt ask is the lifting equivalent of when an evangelical Christian comes to me unsolicited and says “i know your Jewish, and that works for you, but you really should read the teachings of the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your savior”.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of doing what works for the person what they enjoy. My training would be considered stupid by 90% of people. Too much volume too much cardio blah blah. I enjoy it and I progress so that what I do. But I also think everyone should be striving to learn more and tweak things. I do not understand the mentality of well if its broke don’t fix it ever. Even if its not broke maybe I can make it go faster or easier or corner better or be more efficient. Ect. But obv you don’t really want these thoughts so not sure why I typed this :slight_smile: actualky I am just trying not to study for foundations of medicine test on tues
[/quote]

You really don’t have to continually try to validate your beliefs and methods all the time, especially when it is unsolicited. I understand if I ask a question or you directly about it, but to interject every time someone says something in a statement just because it goes against your method or belief is pretty annoying. I really don’t care if your training approach works for you and I wish you wouldn’t care so much to try to prove that it does.

Think of it this way, unless someone asks an open question that your beliefs may give an answer or relative opinion to or someone asks you what you think, throwing high volume high cardio training at someone and telling them why it works when they didnt ask is the lifting equivalent of when an evangelical Christian comes to me unsolicited and says “i know your Jewish, and that works for you, but you really should read the teachings of the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your savior”.

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I don’t think he’s looking for validation from you at all. It more came off like your confessions really sound more like ‘I am straight up saying things that are in some cases empirically incorrect’ and trying to tell you that not all information is ‘too much information’ but is legitimate science that can lead to better use of your time in the gym, and a healthier and better looking you.

But you can go the asshole route with it sure that works too.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:
“Bulking” without assitance is really fucking stupid.
[/quote]

You mean like dirty bulking? Or just even the basic premise of gaining 20+lbs of muscle a year?

But if you mean getting bigger in general then I guess I’m really fucking stupid.

Another addition: Getting bigger is not the same as getting stronger. Telling someone who wants a bigger bench to eat more is fucking stupid. Especially in the context of weight classes.

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Everyone seems to regard Arnold as the greatest BBer of all time, yet in my opinion his legs weren’t big enough for the rest of his body, and I could say the exact same thing about Frank Zane. Am I the only one who thinks this? I don’t know about you guys, but to me they would’ve looked even better with a slightly bigger set of wheels.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of doing what works for the person what they enjoy. My training would be considered stupid by 90% of people. Too much volume too much cardio blah blah. I enjoy it and I progress so that what I do. But I also think everyone should be striving to learn more and tweak things. I do not understand the mentality of well if its broke don’t fix it ever. Even if its not broke maybe I can make it go faster or easier or corner better or be more efficient. Ect. But obv you don’t really want these thoughts so not sure why I typed this :slight_smile: actualky I am just trying not to study for foundations of medicine test on tues
[/quote]

You really don’t have to continually try to validate your beliefs and methods all the time, especially when it is unsolicited. I understand if I ask a question or you directly about it, but to interject every time someone says something in a statement just because it goes against your method or belief is pretty annoying. I really don’t care if your training approach works for you and I wish you wouldn’t care so much to try to prove that it does.

Think of it this way, unless someone asks an open question that your beliefs may give an answer or relative opinion to or someone asks you what you think, throwing high volume high cardio training at someone and telling them why it works when they didnt ask is the lifting equivalent of when an evangelical Christian comes to me unsolicited and says “i know your Jewish, and that works for you, but you really should read the teachings of the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your savior”.

[/quote]

I don’t think he’s looking for validation from you at all. It more came off like your confessions really sound more like ‘I am straight up saying things that are in some cases empirically incorrect’ and trying to tell you that not all information is ‘too much information’ but is legitimate science that can lead to better use of your time in the gym, and a healthier and better looking you.

But you can go the asshole route with it sure that works too.[/quote]

Apprecaite it red. That is what I was going for glad that it wasn’t so poorly written that no one got it. iPad typing tends to distort things I say because I go fast and don’t correct errors since typing is so frustrating.

Carryon

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[quote]Sutebun wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
“Bulking” without assitance is really fucking stupid.
[/quote]

You mean like dirty bulking? Or just even the basic premise of gaining 20+lbs of muscle a year?

But if you mean getting bigger in general then I guess I’m really fucking stupid.

Another addition: Getting bigger is not the same as getting stronger. Telling someone who wants a bigger bench to eat more is fucking stupid. Especially in the context of weight classes.[/quote]

Dirty bulking or the premis of gaining 20+ pounds of muscle in a year for an intermediate or advanced lifter.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of doing what works for the person what they enjoy. My training would be considered stupid by 90% of people. Too much volume too much cardio blah blah. I enjoy it and I progress so that what I do. But I also think everyone should be striving to learn more and tweak things. I do not understand the mentality of well if its broke don’t fix it ever. Even if its not broke maybe I can make it go faster or easier or corner better or be more efficient. Ect. But obv you don’t really want these thoughts so not sure why I typed this :slight_smile: actualky I am just trying not to study for foundations of medicine test on tues
[/quote]

You really don’t have to continually try to validate your beliefs and methods all the time, especially when it is unsolicited. I understand if I ask a question or you directly about it, but to interject every time someone says something in a statement just because it goes against your method or belief is pretty annoying. I really don’t care if your training approach works for you and I wish you wouldn’t care so much to try to prove that it does.

Think of it this way, unless someone asks an open question that your beliefs may give an answer or relative opinion to or someone asks you what you think, throwing high volume high cardio training at someone and telling them why it works when they didnt ask is the lifting equivalent of when an evangelical Christian comes to me unsolicited and says “i know your Jewish, and that works for you, but you really should read the teachings of the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your savior”.

[/quote]

I don’t think he’s looking for validation from you at all. It more came off like your confessions really sound more like ‘I am straight up saying things that are in some cases empirically incorrect’ and trying to tell you that not all information is ‘too much information’ but is legitimate science that can lead to better use of your time in the gym, and a healthier and better looking you.

But you can go the asshole route with it sure that works too.[/quote]

Apprecaite it red. That is what I was going for glad that it wasn’t so poorly written that no one got it. iPad typing tends to distort things I say because I go fast and don’t correct errors since typing is so frustrating.

Carryon[/quote]

Nothing was distorted, i understood your point fully, and I’m fairly confident you understood mine as well.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Waittz not flaming just devils advocate for one and maybe some suggested reading on another

Shaping a muscle- I agree its most likely isn’t possible (without seo) but there have been studies that show differential recruitment of muscle fibers depending on exercise,angle ect. A hypothesis could develop from that it you preferentially fatigue and work certain fibers rather than others you may be able to “shape” a muscle to some extent

Cardio being stupid- A I consider the examples you gave to be cardio :slight_smile: I assume you mean LISS than. There have been some good studies showing gene activation for glucose management along with a marked increase in fast burning genes. Also csrdio fasted has been shown up regulate autophagy (cellular clean up and repair basically) as well apoptosis of damaged cells supporting health and longevity. Suppversity has some great articles on studies along with their FB.

Not flaming again just some info/thought prolong possibly. [/quote]

This is exactly what I mean by too much information and too many opinions.[/quote]

I’m huge fan of doing what works for the person what they enjoy. My training would be considered stupid by 90% of people. Too much volume too much cardio blah blah. I enjoy it and I progress so that what I do. But I also think everyone should be striving to learn more and tweak things. I do not understand the mentality of well if its broke don’t fix it ever. Even if its not broke maybe I can make it go faster or easier or corner better or be more efficient. Ect. But obv you don’t really want these thoughts so not sure why I typed this :slight_smile: actualky I am just trying not to study for foundations of medicine test on tues
[/quote]

You really don’t have to continually try to validate your beliefs and methods all the time, especially when it is unsolicited. I understand if I ask a question or you directly about it, but to interject every time someone says something in a statement just because it goes against your method or belief is pretty annoying. I really don’t care if your training approach works for you and I wish you wouldn’t care so much to try to prove that it does.

Think of it this way, unless someone asks an open question that your beliefs may give an answer or relative opinion to or someone asks you what you think, throwing high volume high cardio training at someone and telling them why it works when they didnt ask is the lifting equivalent of when an evangelical Christian comes to me unsolicited and says “i know your Jewish, and that works for you, but you really should read the teachings of the Bible and accept Jesus Christ as your savior”.

[/quote]

I don’t think he’s looking for validation from you at all. It more came off like your confessions really sound more like ‘I am straight up saying things that are in some cases empirically incorrect’ and trying to tell you that not all information is ‘too much information’ but is legitimate science that can lead to better use of your time in the gym, and a healthier and better looking you.

But you can go the asshole route with it sure that works too.[/quote]

Apprecaite it red. That is what I was going for glad that it wasn’t so poorly written that no one got it. iPad typing tends to distort things I say because I go fast and don’t correct errors since typing is so frustrating.

Carryon[/quote]

Nothing was distorted, i understood your point fully, and I’m fairly confident you understood mine as well. [/quote]

It could be the fact I’m brain dead ATM but no I don’t. Your repose doesn’t correlate with my post.

I would never suggest my training to anyone. I don’t want my training validated as I stated I know most people would say its stupid, yet I don’t care.

The first part was basically saying I understand you doing your own thing no matter what others say. That’s cool

The second part was about too much information. I don’t think that’s true. Trying to apply too much and not giving something the long enough, and jumping between new diets and training I agree is dumb. But I just think we should try and constantly be learning even about things we once thought were dumb or didn’t work or go against our current knowledge. JM is a perfect example. Constantly tweaking his programs and diet. Yet most would say the first iteration was great. But he still constantly reads and discuss and tries some new stuff. That was all my point was.

Again not advocating my training. Just saying there is some research out there that might be interesting that goes against what you were saying. And you might want to look at it for yourself or I guess not :slight_smile: Truthfull, and not to be mean, I don’t care what anyone does on here or what they think of how I train. It’s all good. I just prefer learning lots even contradictions. It doesn’t mean I apply it all though. No idea if this cleared anything up

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[quote]JBL5 wrote:
Natural bodybuilding is like the paralympics. No one cares.[/quote]

Response not intended as a flame, but:

I think MORE people are likely to care about it than the alternative. The average dude isn’t going to use roids, so having something to look up to in a more realistic light ought to appeal to a large group (and judging by what I read around here, it does in fact interest a lot of people.)

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Confessions:
1). I don’t care what you think. For most anyway.
2) the posters above shouldn’t be arguing on this thread.
3) ignoring a person (not putting them on ignore) is an underutilized technique
4) not everything needs to be politicized.
5) the right-left dichotomy in US politics is false

Training:

  1. tbt works for most. You are probably not one of the few. Upper-lower is good too
  2. most people doing body part splits aren’t ready for that and probably never will be…Even though they claim that they are advanced.

3). There is way too much over thinking in a lot of people’s training without focusing on the basics.
4). I justly have a low opinion of my knowledge of training. I think if others realized their own limitations they’d have more success
5) finding a program that fits your schedule is MUCH better than trying (re: failing) to make your schedule fit your training.

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I think the genetics card is used poorly both as an excuse for being skinny/fat and also a poor excuse for thinking you can continuously gain at the same rate year after year.

I think many people are carrying far more fat than they realize…myself included.

I want to lose some fat but don’t like how skinny arms and chest already are

I dislike how the is supposed to be a lifting forum yet steriods are vilified and are a subject that shouldn’t be brought up

I laugh when people call discussions, arguments even though this is a forum where discussions are supposed to take place.

I enjoy how defensive people get when presented with information that goes against what they knew or their beliefs

People that say high rep training aren’t strong or don’t care about strength need to relearn what high rep training is. (Hint progression is still there)

I think a lot of people settle for average because they don’t want to put in the work it takes to be above avg

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Confessions:
1). I don’t care what you think. For most anyway.
2) the posters above shouldn’t be arguing on this thread.
3) ignoring a person (not putting them on ignore) is an underutilized technique
4) not everything needs to be politicized.
5) the right-left dichotomy in US politics is false

Training:

  1. tbt works for most. You are probably not one of the few. Upper-lower is good too
  2. most people doing body part splits aren’t ready for that and probably never will be…Even though they claim that they are advanced.

3). There is way too much over thinking in a lot of people’s training without focusing on the basics.
4). I justly have a low opinion of my knowledge of training. I think if others realized their own limitations they’d have more success
5) finding a program that fits your schedule is MUCH better than trying (re: failing) to make your schedule fit your training.

[/quote]

I really like all of this

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I think the genetics card is used poorly both as an excuse for being skinny/fat and also a poor excuse for thinking you can continuously gain at the same rate year after year.

I think many people are carrying far more fat than they realize…myself included.

I want to lose some fat but don’t like how skinny arms and chest already are

I dislike how the is supposed to be a lifting forum yet steriods are vilified and are a subject that shouldn’t be brought up

I laugh when people call discussions, arguments even though this is a forum where discussions are supposed to take place.

I enjoy how defensive people get when presented with information that goes against what they knew or their beliefs

People that say high rep training aren’t strong or don’t care about strength need to relearn what high rep training is. (Hint progression is still there)

I think a lot of people settle for average because they don’t want to put in the work it takes to be above avg[/quote]

another good one

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I want to blow a balloon til it pops, but it’ll never pop. It’ll keep expanding. All of the surrounding displaced matter pops. All of the subunits of matter integrate into the balloon volume. Once the space becomes emaciated and constricted, only then will the balloon. Thus recycling the universe.

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The old 20 rep breathing squat routine works if you’re a newbie. Some writers whom I have the utmost respect for dislike it, but I would recommend it to any beginner.

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[quote]mutantcolors wrote:

[quote]JBL5 wrote:
Natural bodybuilding is like the paralympics. No one cares.[/quote]

Response not intended as a flame, but:

I think MORE people are likely to care about it than the alternative. The average dude isn’t going to use roids, so having something to look up to in a more realistic light ought to appeal to a large group (and judging by what I read around here, it does in fact interest a lot of people.)

[/quote]

That may well be true, but for the wider public, its the freaky guys on magazine covers that get all the attention.
I liken it to the paralympics because seeing disabled/handicapped athletes compete is cool, but it’s not even comparable to watching Bolt set a world record in the 100m. Most people, IMO, want to see the absolute best of the best, not the best of those who have limitations imposed on them.

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I think biceps are overemphasized in BB and the back used to be under-emphasized. My biceps suck as a result of my beliefs and refusal to put consistent effort into them lol.

I also think it’s easy to get big biceps and I’ll prove myself right by the end of the year.

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I’m weak as fuck.