[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
No miracles there. Just dudes with tits and less cash.
[/quote]
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
You are missing the point that people on youtube are saying these guys have NO dedication and are NOT hard working and that the ONLY reason they are big is the juice. Did the 'roids make them big? Yes. Did they combine that with hard work and dedication in and out of the gym? Yes. [/quote]
Roids are the only way to get that big. However taking steroids in itself takes dedication, especially imp laces where it is illegal. And I think the people saying they have no dedication are either pro natural BBing, which is their opinion, not one I share or they think the fact they claim natty and CT and Kali call anyone saying CT or Kali is on roids of being “poot? butt motherfuckers” so really those comments are responses to personal attacks by CT and Kali.
I fail to see the difference between CT fletcher calling anyone who says he obviously used roods a weak undedicated poof butt motherfucker and some natty lifter in the comments saying they have no dedication and got their bodies from roids.
Like Nietzsche said good and evil were terms to describe what is in your best interests in society what is evil to the king is not eve to the peasant etc, the comments in the youtube videos and this thread represent the views and desires of two opposed groups with opposite viewpoints on one issue.
Whatever, I am sure CT fletcher does not give a single fuck what my poof butt ass thinks.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
A guy here called Liam openly sells gear, he is a trainer and was natural up until around two years ago. He told us he was taking gear and he said it was what we all know, a miracle drug that will add mass on you no matter what.[/quote]
I would say this is false considering the large number of people on steroids who are NOT that built.
We will have to disagree here. [/quote]
In one of the AAS studies didn’t they find people given steroids who didn’t work out gained 6-12 pounds of muscle? I am looking for it now and will post it up. I am pretty sure it was 6-12 pounds of LBM while living a regular, working, couch potato life. The people who worked out but were given a sugar pill or whatever it was gained something like 2-5 pounds and the people given AAS and worked out gained a lot more.
Will anyone who knows the study I am talking about post it? I think it may of been done in Japan.[/quote]
Is this the one you’re referring to?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101[/quote]
All the no exercise people got stronger in the bench press and squat by not working out at all? Come on. They might have been in the “no exercise” group but do you really think these guys signed up for a study where they get free steroids and they are just going to sit on the couch for 2 and a half months?
Also, 600mg’s a week right out of the gate is a lot of test.[/quote]
Not really. I once took 140,000 mg’s of test. I got so swole that I couldn’t move. They had to cut a hole in my wall and cart me out on a fork lift. They took me to the hospital where I was treated with a continous soy IV drip and fifteen hours a day of watching romantic comedies. [/quote]
Damn, they put you on EAP?
That is pretty crazy. I haven’t seen the Extreme Atrophy Protocol implemented in years. Most medical facilities aren’t equipped for such an aggressive treatment… You were lucky.[/quote]
Tell me about it. There was another guy there that wasn’t so fortunate. The swoleness was just too much and he died shortly after being admitted. The only good that came out of it was that they could finally determine his true LBM by performing an autopsy.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
…As I said guys who left high school with me and were 120lb nerds shitty genetics got incredibly swole from taking gear…
[/quote]
Stop it with this narrative.
Most guys who leave high school have one more good NATURAL growth spurt left in them that has nothing to do with gear.
That means, generally speaking, a 120 lbs high school senior is going to pack on significant muscle mass in the next 2 - 5 years of his life regardless of drugs and even regardless of whether he lifts or not.
I get so tired of stories of teenagers’ muscle gains and what they did to get them.
[/quote]
Agreed.
Someone at 120lbs should be able to gain 50lbs from breathing going from high school grad to adult unless they are as tall as Papa Smurf.
I don’t blame steroids for that…just like I wouldn’t look at a study that showed nearly the same muscle growth between placebos and steroid users.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I fail to see the difference between CT fletcher calling anyone who says he obviously used roods a weak undedicated poof butt motherfucker and some natty lifter in the comments saying they have no dedication and got their bodies from roids.[/quote]
Well, I do.
If CT was going to their jobs and calling them out, then it would be the same.
Once again, an opinion is not the same as insulting someone and calling them out constantly.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
I haven’t said that either. Nor will I unless and until I have 22 inch arms. Even then I would only know how I got them, not how other people did.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
I haven’t said that either. Nor will I unless and until I have 22 inch arms. Even then I would only know how I got them, not how other people did.
[/quote]
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
A guy here called Liam openly sells gear, he is a trainer and was natural up until around two years ago. He told us he was taking gear and he said it was what we all know, a miracle drug that will add mass on you no matter what.[/quote]
I would say this is false considering the large number of people on steroids who are NOT that built.
We will have to disagree here. [/quote]
In one of the AAS studies didn’t they find people given steroids who didn’t work out gained 6-12 pounds of muscle? I am looking for it now and will post it up. I am pretty sure it was 6-12 pounds of LBM while living a regular, working, couch potato life. The people who worked out but were given a sugar pill or whatever it was gained something like 2-5 pounds and the people given AAS and worked out gained a lot more.
Will anyone who knows the study I am talking about post it? I think it may of been done in Japan.[/quote]
Is this the one you’re referring to?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101[/quote]
All the no exercise people got stronger in the bench press and squat by not working out at all? Come on. They might have been in the “no exercise” group but do you really think these guys signed up for a study where they get free steroids and they are just going to sit on the couch for 2 and a half months?
Also, 600mg’s a week right out of the gate is a lot of test.[/quote]
Not really. I once took 140,000 mg’s of test. I got so swole that I couldn’t move. They had to cut a hole in my wall and cart me out on a fork lift. They took me to the hospital where I was treated with a continous soy IV drip and fifteen hours a day of watching romantic comedies. [/quote]
Damn, they put you on EAP?
That is pretty crazy. I haven’t seen the Extreme Atrophy Protocol implemented in years. Most medical facilities aren’t equipped for such an aggressive treatment… You were lucky.[/quote]
Tell me about it. There was another guy there that wasn’t so fortunate. The swoleness was just too much and he died shortly after being admitted. The only good that came out of it was that they could finally determine his true LBM by performing an autopsy.[/quote]
Omar Isurf? Brady Broseph?
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
A guy here called Liam openly sells gear, he is a trainer and was natural up until around two years ago. He told us he was taking gear and he said it was what we all know, a miracle drug that will add mass on you no matter what.[/quote]
I would say this is false considering the large number of people on steroids who are NOT that built.
We will have to disagree here. [/quote]
In one of the AAS studies didn’t they find people given steroids who didn’t work out gained 6-12 pounds of muscle? I am looking for it now and will post it up. I am pretty sure it was 6-12 pounds of LBM while living a regular, working, couch potato life. The people who worked out but were given a sugar pill or whatever it was gained something like 2-5 pounds and the people given AAS and worked out gained a lot more.
Will anyone who knows the study I am talking about post it? I think it may of been done in Japan.[/quote]
Is this the one you’re referring to?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101[/quote]
All the no exercise people got stronger in the bench press and squat by not working out at all? Come on. They might have been in the “no exercise” group but do you really think these guys signed up for a study where they get free steroids and they are just going to sit on the couch for 2 and a half months?
Also, 600mg’s a week right out of the gate is a lot of test.[/quote]
Not really. I once took 140,000 mg’s of test. I got so swole that I couldn’t move. They had to cut a hole in my wall and cart me out on a fork lift. They took me to the hospital where I was treated with a continous soy IV drip and fifteen hours a day of watching romantic comedies. [/quote]
Damn, they put you on EAP?
That is pretty crazy. I haven’t seen the Extreme Atrophy Protocol implemented in years. Most medical facilities aren’t equipped for such an aggressive treatment… You were lucky.[/quote]
Tell me about it. There was another guy there that wasn’t so fortunate. The swoleness was just too much and he died shortly after being admitted. The only good that came out of it was that they could finally determine his true LBM by performing an autopsy.[/quote]
Omar Isurf? Brady Broseph?[/quote]
*Isuf
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
You are missing the point that people on youtube are saying these guys have NO dedication and are NOT hard working and that the ONLY reason they are big is the juice. Did the 'roids make them big? Yes. Did they combine that with hard work and dedication in and out of the gym? Yes. [/quote]
Roids are the only way to get that big. However taking steroids in itself takes dedication, especially imp laces where it is illegal. And I think the people saying they have no dedication are either pro natural BBing, which is their opinion, not one I share or they think the fact they claim natty and CT and Kali call anyone saying CT or Kali is on roids of being “poot? butt motherfuckers” so really those comments are responses to personal attacks by CT and Kali.
I fail to see the difference between CT fletcher calling anyone who says he obviously used roods a weak undedicated poof butt motherfucker and some natty lifter in the comments saying they have no dedication and got their bodies from roids.
Like Nietzsche said good and evil were terms to describe what is in your best interests in society what is evil to the king is not eve to the peasant etc, the comments in the youtube videos and this thread represent the views and desires of two opposed groups with opposite viewpoints on one issue.
Whatever, I am sure CT fletcher does not give a single fuck what my poof butt ass thinks.[/quote]
There there, you’ll understand when you’re older. pats head
It’s the same old shit whenever someone is good at something, mental midgets will be rationalizing why they can’t measure up. Oh he’s a great guitar player? Well shit I could be one too if I practiced 6 hours a day like he does. What’s that, you’re a PhD? Well shit I could have had one too if I didn’t have kids and all these responsibilities. You have big muscles? Pffff, anyone can stick a needle in their ass bro, but can you do a one legged bosu ball squat??? Didn’t think so.
You don’t ask a man if he’s on gear. It’s not your business. A lot of things have to be done correctly to walk around lean at that bodyweight, and your desire to attribute the results to a single factor makes you a weak undedicated poof butt motherfucker. That’s all there is to it.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.[/quote]
Man, I don’t know who you are and you definitely don’t know who I am.
How do you keep assuming these things that you think other people think with such detail?
It’s ridiculous.
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
A guy here called Liam openly sells gear, he is a trainer and was natural up until around two years ago. He told us he was taking gear and he said it was what we all know, a miracle drug that will add mass on you no matter what.[/quote]
I would say this is false considering the large number of people on steroids who are NOT that built.
We will have to disagree here. [/quote]
In one of the AAS studies didn’t they find people given steroids who didn’t work out gained 6-12 pounds of muscle? I am looking for it now and will post it up. I am pretty sure it was 6-12 pounds of LBM while living a regular, working, couch potato life. The people who worked out but were given a sugar pill or whatever it was gained something like 2-5 pounds and the people given AAS and worked out gained a lot more.
Will anyone who knows the study I am talking about post it? I think it may of been done in Japan.[/quote]
Is this the one you’re referring to?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101[/quote]
All the no exercise people got stronger in the bench press and squat by not working out at all? Come on. They might have been in the “no exercise” group but do you really think these guys signed up for a study where they get free steroids and they are just going to sit on the couch for 2 and a half months?
Also, 600mg’s a week right out of the gate is a lot of test.[/quote]
Not really. I once took 140,000 mg’s of test. I got so swole that I couldn’t move. They had to cut a hole in my wall and cart me out on a fork lift. They took me to the hospital where I was treated with a continous soy IV drip and fifteen hours a day of watching romantic comedies. [/quote]
Damn, they put you on EAP?
That is pretty crazy. I haven’t seen the Extreme Atrophy Protocol implemented in years. Most medical facilities aren’t equipped for such an aggressive treatment… You were lucky.[/quote]
Tell me about it. There was another guy there that wasn’t so fortunate. The swoleness was just too much and he died shortly after being admitted. The only good that came out of it was that they could finally determine his true LBM by performing an autopsy.[/quote]
Omar Isurf? Brady Broseph?[/quote]
*Isuf[/quote]
That is a natural transformation. That is a sexy natty bastard. That is hard work. That is dedication. He also looks way hotter than CT.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.[/quote]
Man, I don’t know who you are and you definitely don’t know who I am.
How do you keep assuming these things that you think other people think with such detail?
It’s ridiculous.
[/quote]
You can’t have 22 inch arms naturally. Your lack of critical thinking is ridiculous.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
I haven’t said that either. Nor will I unless and until I have 22 inch arms. Even then I would only know how I got them, not how other people did.
[/quote]
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.[/quote]
Can I please please please see your friend’s 20+ inch arms @200 lbs that they magically got from taking roids???
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
I haven’t said that either. Nor will I unless and until I have 22 inch arms. Even then I would only know how I got them, not how other people did.
[/quote]
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.[/quote]
Can I please please please see your friend’s 20+ inch arms @200 lbs that they magically got from taking roids???[/quote]
I’d also love to see 22" arms on a 200 pounder.
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
I haven’t said that either. Nor will I unless and until I have 22 inch arms. Even then I would only know how I got them, not how other people did.
[/quote]
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.[/quote]
Can I please please please see your friend’s 20+ inch arms @200 lbs that they magically got from taking roids???[/quote]
Strawmen are not welcome here.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
A guy here called Liam openly sells gear, he is a trainer and was natural up until around two years ago. He told us he was taking gear and he said it was what we all know, a miracle drug that will add mass on you no matter what.[/quote]
I would say this is false considering the large number of people on steroids who are NOT that built.
We will have to disagree here. [/quote]
In one of the AAS studies didn’t they find people given steroids who didn’t work out gained 6-12 pounds of muscle? I am looking for it now and will post it up. I am pretty sure it was 6-12 pounds of LBM while living a regular, working, couch potato life. The people who worked out but were given a sugar pill or whatever it was gained something like 2-5 pounds and the people given AAS and worked out gained a lot more.
Will anyone who knows the study I am talking about post it? I think it may of been done in Japan.[/quote]
Is this the one you’re referring to?
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101[/quote]
All the no exercise people got stronger in the bench press and squat by not working out at all? Come on. They might have been in the “no exercise” group but do you really think these guys signed up for a study where they get free steroids and they are just going to sit on the couch for 2 and a half months?
Also, 600mg’s a week right out of the gate is a lot of test.[/quote]
Not really. I once took 140,000 mg’s of test. I got so swole that I couldn’t move. They had to cut a hole in my wall and cart me out on a fork lift. They took me to the hospital where I was treated with a continous soy IV drip and fifteen hours a day of watching romantic comedies. [/quote]
Damn, they put you on EAP?
That is pretty crazy. I haven’t seen the Extreme Atrophy Protocol implemented in years. Most medical facilities aren’t equipped for such an aggressive treatment… You were lucky.[/quote]
Tell me about it. There was another guy there that wasn’t so fortunate. The swoleness was just too much and he died shortly after being admitted. The only good that came out of it was that they could finally determine his true LBM by performing an autopsy.[/quote]
Omar Isurf? Brady Broseph?[/quote]
*Isuf[/quote]
That is a natural transformation. That is a sexy natty bastard. That is hard work. That is dedication. He also looks way hotter than CT.
[/quote]
I love Omar, but c’mon, bro. So ghey.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]GrizzlyBerg wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Again, that is a straw man. Where did I say you can be at a caloric deficit and go from 120 lbs to 200lbs? This is just a rubbish dullard response, not taking on any of the points I made.
[/quote]
Where does it say that I said you said that? HA! Checkmate Motherfucker! I made up a question out of the question you made up knowing that there is no answer to yours and therefore no answer to mine!
So, same dietary routine now means what ever you want it to without regard for amount or content?
Go on with your bad self. I am in awe.
[/quote]
OK you are right, dedication is what gets people 22 inch arms. [/quote]
I haven’t said that either. Nor will I unless and until I have 22 inch arms. Even then I would only know how I got them, not how other people did.
[/quote]
You wouldn’t know its beyond the humans ability to naturally have 22 inch arms? Well you are playing a part here.[/quote]
Can I please please please see your friend’s 20+ inch arms @200 lbs that they magically got from taking roids???[/quote]
Strawmen are not welcome here.[/quote]
You/your juiced up friends should read this. hopefully you will see how ridiculous 200 lbs with 22 inch arms is. You would have to be like 4’ 10".
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Strawmen are not welcome here.[/quote]
Are guys who claim that steroids are magic welcomed here?
Men grow until the age of 21 on average…meaning gaining weight from the age of high school to full adulthood is going to happen no matter what…ESPECIALLY if they only weigh 120lbs.
This does not mean steroids did it.