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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

How’s a former high ranking Olympia competitor who slept for 16 hours a day while his woman worked a high paying job and he lifted and ate around the clock for an example of mooching.
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That sounds like an arrangement between those two people that has nothing to do with anyone outside that relationship to me…not “mooching”.[/quote]

The guy I speak of promptly left that woman after turning pro. [/quote]

Like I said before, maybe your perspective is off. People break up. In fact, they break up so often it is almost wrong to think any relationship outside of marriage will last longer than it takes that married couple to drive to divorce court.

If he was a “high ranking Olympia contestant” he was bringing money into the house due to endorsements…not to mention I am sure she enjoyed any “status” that may have brought along with sex.

I’m just making the point that you seem to throw these truly negative judgments at people based on the most limited of info mostly because of what seems to be some personal bias you have.

Nothing you have written yet describes mooching.[/quote]

I’m not sure how much this certain pro was making at the time, but MOST pros don’t earn a living above a poverty level from strictly being a bodybuilder. If they use their brains, like some amateurs and smart ones like Ben Pakulski, they can earn a decent living from coaching people, supplements, clothing, videos, websites, etc.
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Jay Cutler doesn’t seem to be doing too badly…or Phil Heath. Most pros aren’t “high level Olympia competitors”. We already know that bodybuilding alone won’t be making anyone rich for life. It is simply that judging someone as a “moocher” because their significant other let them sleep and train in priority is a little lame.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is simply that judging someone as a “moocher” because their significant other let them sleep and train in priority is a little lame.[/quote]

I see it as the significant other allowing herself to be mooched off, to be a moochee/spongee/freeloadee, so to speak.

As I said, we have different views on it. If I decided that I want to quit work and dedicate my life to training and round-the-clock eating and napping (not working), the men in my family and my friends and my future father-in-law, would flat out call me a “F------ BUM!” and would think my fiance to be nuts for allowing me to get away with that.

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Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is simply that judging someone as a “moocher” because their significant other let them sleep and train in priority is a little lame.[/quote]

Why?

It’s great to do what you want to do. I’m sure most people would want to do what they want to do. They just cannot and need to hold a job because they would starve to death and/or not have a place to live otherwise.

If you do what you want to do and let yourself be supported entirely by someone else, then you’re at the very least dependent. Though moocher is probably not the best word here. Dependent and whatever perjoratives you may choose to substitute probably fits better.

It should still be frowned upon if you’re a legal adult though.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women. [/quote]

Google “Ask a Schmoe” if you want to be entertained.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women. [/quote]

Google “Ask a Schmoe” if you want to be entertained. [/quote]

“Sponsor”…I like that. BTW, you’re looking stacked Brick (no sponsor).

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women. [/quote]

Google “Ask a Schmoe” if you want to be entertained. [/quote]

“Sponsor”…I like that. BTW, you’re looking stacked Brick (no sponsor).[/quote]

Thanks! (No muscle worship show.)

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women. [/quote]

Google “Ask a Schmoe” if you want to be entertained. [/quote]

Holy crap…that is yuck.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women. [/quote]

Google “Ask a Schmoe” if you want to be entertained. [/quote]

Holy crap…that is yuck.[/quote]

You read it?

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I read it. Crazy stuff. What amazes me is that there are plenty of other web forums where you can actually interact with Pros (active and retired) who all are pretty forthcoming about subjects that on here always seem to get a few people all upset.

The way I see it (and people can feel free to disagree), is that the sport is the way it is, and you can either accept it, focusing on the more positive stuff, or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything about bodybuilding is perfect and anyone who says otherwise is just stirring up shit.

S

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is simply that judging someone as a “moocher” because their significant other let them sleep and train in priority is a little lame.[/quote]

I see it as the significant other allowing herself to be mooched off, to be a moochee/spongee/freeloadee, so to speak.

As I said, we have different views on it. If I decided that I want to quit work and dedicate my life to training and round-the-clock eating and napping (not working), the men in my family and my friends and my future father-in-law, would flat out call me a “F------ BUM!” and would think my fiance to be nuts for allowing me to get away with that.
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That’s not what is typically going on. It isn’t some gym rat deciding to change his life to a full on bodybuilder and quitting on his responsibilities. It is guys that are already built and in the pursuit hooking up with a sugar momma type situation. Or a trust fund baby that is a gym bunny and wants the big bad guy in her gym.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is simply that judging someone as a “moocher” because their significant other let them sleep and train in priority is a little lame.[/quote]

I see it as the significant other allowing herself to be mooched off, to be a moochee/spongee/freeloadee, so to speak.

As I said, we have different views on it. If I decided that I want to quit work and dedicate my life to training and round-the-clock eating and napping (not working), the men in my family and my friends and my future father-in-law, would flat out call me a “F------ BUM!” and would think my fiance to be nuts for allowing me to get away with that.
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That’s not what is typically going on. It isn’t some gym rat deciding to change his life to a full on bodybuilder and quitting on his responsibilities. It is guys that are already built and in the pursuit hooking up with a sugar momma type situation. Or a trust fund baby that is a gym bunny and wants the big bad guy in her gym.
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Well, what if I actually thought I have a shot at being a natty pro, which even if I decide to compete in the near future, which I do plan on, CANNOT do? I cannot be a natty pro because I believe I do not have the genetics for it, and there is a limit to the amount of dedication I can put into this, realistically speaking.

But what if I was a delusional puppy, like many bodybuilders are, and say to myself, I am going to turn pro and find a woman to mooch off of. I still would be referred to as a bum by those in social and familial circle. It is also my personal pride that doesn’t allow me to mooch. I lost a job one time and worked part time because I did not want to just sit home and collect 400 bucks per week in UE benefits. I also did not want to sit home all day. There’s a limit to how many resumes one can send out, despite popular career “experts” saying “looking for a job is a full time job” when it isn’t. I seriously was not in the mood to have my fiance come home to me sitting around on the internet, eating, or doing other things leisurely. Not my cup of tea.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is simply that judging someone as a “moocher” because their significant other let them sleep and train in priority is a little lame.[/quote]

I see it as the significant other allowing herself to be mooched off, to be a moochee/spongee/freeloadee, so to speak.

As I said, we have different views on it. If I decided that I want to quit work and dedicate my life to training and round-the-clock eating and napping (not working), the men in my family and my friends and my future father-in-law, would flat out call me a “F------ BUM!” and would think my fiance to be nuts for allowing me to get away with that.
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That’s not what is typically going on. It isn’t some gym rat deciding to change his life to a full on bodybuilder and quitting on his responsibilities. It is guys that are already built and in the pursuit hooking up with a sugar momma type situation. Or a trust fund baby that is a gym bunny and wants the big bad guy in her gym.
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Well, what if I actually thought I have a shot at being a natty pro, which even if I decide to compete in the near future, which I do plan on, CANNOT do? I cannot be a natty pro because I believe I do not have the genetics for it, and there is a limit to the amount of dedication I can put into this, realistically speaking.

But what if I was a delusional puppy, like many bodybuilders are, and say to myself, I am going to turn pro and find a woman to mooch off of. I still would be referred to as a bum by those in social and familial circle. It is also my personal pride that doesn’t allow me to mooch. I lost a job one time and worked part time because I did not want to just sit home and collect 400 bucks per week in UE benefits. I also did not want to sit home all day. There’s a limit to how many resumes one can send out, despite popular career “experts” saying “looking for a job is a full time job” when it isn’t. I seriously was not in the mood to have my fiance come home to me sitting around on the internet, eating, or doing other things leisurely. Not my cup of tea. [/quote]

I get what your saying and agree with that in some ways. If a person is living his life, has a gf or fiancé,wife and decides he is gonna “go for it” and leave that life he is a douche in my view. But, if a younger guy finding his way and is wanting to pursue his “dream” isn’t in a relationship and have responsibilities and a trust fund gym bunny comes along with the opportunity or a sugar momma…then I wont hate on that choice

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
Muscle worship is just as much a fetish as feeding. It’s the seedy but lucrative underbelly of bodybuilding. The skinny non-lifters at the expos are the guys with the money. Some are there for men, some for women. [/quote]

Google “Ask a Schmoe” if you want to be entertained. [/quote]

Holy crap…that is yuck.[/quote]

You read it?[/quote]

Like two pages…yuck.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I read it. Crazy stuff. What amazes me is that there are plenty of other web forums where you can actually interact with Pros (active and retired) who all are pretty forthcoming about subjects that on here always seem to get a few people all upset.

The way I see it (and people can feel free to disagree), is that the sport is the way it is, and you can either accept it, focusing on the more positive stuff, or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend that everything about bodybuilding is perfect and anyone who says otherwise is just stirring up shit.

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Ok.

Did you ever have the offer of being “schmoed” and if not, are you not a bit disappointed?

Not because you wanted to, but because noone asked?

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I have not competed and I once was offered help by a very wealthy gay guy with a position way high up in public relations and marketing (think one of the biggest firms, with a former president as a client) who wanted to buy me food and supplements to vicariously live through me getting bigger.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Ok.

Did you ever have the offer of being “schmoed” and if not, are you not a bit disappointed?

Not because you wanted to, but because noone asked?[/quote]

Lol, I’ve certainly had some ‘odd’ emails. Usually requests for monthly “progress” photos in exchange for living expenses, some “I’d love to feel your biceps if we ever met” type stuff, but nothing really beyond that. When I did first start letting other gym rats and competitors (basically people I didn’t know yet, but had a flexing profile pic) add me on Facebook, I did quickly get a good amount of gay dudes sending requests and ‘pokes’.

Not my cup of tea, but I certainly never gave it much thought. No one goes into competing as a bodybuilder if they don’t understand that there’s a damn good chance that there will be photos of them wearing speedo existing in cyberspace forever more. If that gets you some attention (wanted or unwanted), you can take it as a compliment and go on with your life, or you can act on it.

S

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I have not competed and I once was offered help by a very wealthy gay guy with a position way high up in public relations and marketing (think one of the biggest firms, with a former president as a client) who wanted to buy me food and supplements to vicariously live through me getting bigger. [/quote]

Have you thought about writing novels?

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