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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?[/quote]

No one apparently…mostly because of the apathy shown towards how they act on line.

You have bald skinny dudes calling out guys the size of O’Hearn. Internet has given voice to the average Walmart shopper to comment on those who can do more in some area.[/quote]

Why should or would someone’s size make them exempt from being called out as a liar?

Yes, some people who happen to shop at Walmart have the ability to call someone out as a liar. Something wrong with this?

I happen to go to Walmart sometimes myself.

How should we get the world to act in line with your liking?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

That’s correct. [/quote]

So what is your point? Some people are ok doing “physique art”. Are you saying it is bad?[/quote]

I already told you I consider tasteful nude photography to be an art.

If Colt Studio offered me $3,000 plus all expenses paid weekend to literally STAND THERE and give a serious look into the camera, as Tom Prince and Rusty Jeffers did, I’d strongly consider it. I’m semi-nude in my avi here.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?[/quote]

No one apparently…mostly because of the apathy shown towards how they act on line.

You have bald skinny dudes calling out guys the size of O’Hearn. Internet has given voice to the average Walmart shopper to comment on those who can do more in some area.[/quote]

Why should or would someone’s size make them exempt from being called out as a liar? [/quote]

That quote from O’Hearn didn’t have any lies in it.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
With Youtube especially, there is also the element of anonymity. It seems ridiculous, but for some people it really is its own form of entertainment to get on and light somebody up about something. You could put up a video of a nun giving candy to children and somebody would have something bad to say about it.
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The sad and funny part is that it’s not always the depressed neckbeard. A lot of these people are kids. Not talking about people my age. Actual kids. Not so much in this context though. Just speaking generally.[/quote]

What happens when kids raised on that and ‘facebook friends’ have to enter the real world or work place?

In society, you learn that what you say and do has repercussions. The internet teaches the opposite.[/quote]

A lot of stuff happens to them. I’ve had to deal with them at work as apprentices. They’re weak , ignorant and largely inept- and they know it. If they don’t, they find out very quickly. Sometimes it takes a literal smack down (not my style, but I don’t shun it either). They learn what is real and appropriate by getting live feedback in real time.

Here’s a real one-A kid I was working with stepped on my lead (on purpose) as I was dragging it down the inside length of a barge. Heavy gauge lead weighs about a pound a foot and I was in a hurry humping along with about 200 feet of it. When he stepped on it it stopped dead and I got yanked hard by the shoulder, causing some tears to my pect, delt, upper trap, neck, etc. and inflammation to the main nerve that runs from spine to the shoulder. Simply put, fucked me up fast and badly. My arm went numb and kind of quit working.

I blew up on the kid and started straight for his throat. The foreman got into it and settled things down. The I had to go get iced up, report what happened and get to my doctor. He described it as a stinger that happens to QBs when they get shoulder blasted, and I should go home, rest-ice-tylenol-yadda yadda yadda. Meanwhile word spread around the crew what he did. Now he’s looking at 12 big ugly bad ass motherfuckers who circled up around him and made it really clear that he did something very wrong.

Then the supervisor sat him down for the official action, next time he’s fired, and for him to formally apologize. Along with that he still wasn’t allowed to eat lunch with us for a couple of weeks.

So he went from being a high school kid and world of warcraft warrior to learning about what happens in real life when you screw up, with real consequence and he changed. Last I checked he was actually doing pretty well. Some of them can’t take that type of feedback and challenge to their self image. They recede back into their comfort zone, go somewhere else, do something else, what ever.

I had the same things growing up on a wrestling team too. Run at the mouth, horse around or slack in practice and the coach would literally kick your ass back into line. If he didn’t your opponent in the next match would. Some of us stuck with it, some didn’t.

I don’t see it a whole lot differently with weight lifting either. If a kid acts like a douche in the gym when he’s supposed to be spotting someone they’re both going to find out and learn some lessons real quick.

A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?[/quote]

This is a good post. I have literally worked with people who felt the duties of the job were optional and usually they were younger than 30 years old.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

That’s correct. [/quote]

So what is your point? Some people are ok doing “physique art”. Are you saying it is bad?[/quote]

I already told you I consider tasteful nude photography to be an art.

If Colt Studio offered me $3,000 plus all expenses paid weekend to literally STAND THERE and give a serious look into the camera, as Tom Prince and Rusty Jeffers did, I’d strongly consider it. I’m semi-nude in my avi here. [/quote]

You wrote this:

Whom are you referring to if you now find physique art to be ok?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?[/quote]

No one apparently…mostly because of the apathy shown towards how they act on line.

You have bald skinny dudes calling out guys the size of O’Hearn. Internet has given voice to the average Walmart shopper to comment on those who can do more in some area.[/quote]

How can you tell the difference between anybody in the comments section of youtube and anybody at your gym?

With the anonymity and ability to falsify you could be lifting right next to or talking face to face with exactly the person you’re complaining about and never know it.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

How can you tell the difference between anybody in the comments section of youtube and anybody at your gym?[/quote]

I can’t.

I can tell you that the guys I work out around on a regular basis wouldn’t spend any time on line tearing someone apart like we are discussing. They are usually the type on the receiving end of that spiteful eye.

I guess what I mean is…I hang around guys who are in real life like what they are mostly on line.

I’ve met pushharder. He’s the same on here as he is in real life…strong, rough looking and experienced. He wouldn’t be the type to spend any time tearing down CT Fletcher.

If anything, he would be willing to train with him.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
With Youtube especially, there is also the element of anonymity. It seems ridiculous, but for some people it really is its own form of entertainment to get on and light somebody up about something. You could put up a video of a nun giving candy to children and somebody would have something bad to say about it.
[/quote]
The sad and funny part is that it’s not always the depressed neckbeard. A lot of these people are kids. Not talking about people my age. Actual kids. Not so much in this context though. Just speaking generally.[/quote]

What happens when kids raised on that and ‘facebook friends’ have to enter the real world or work place?

In society, you learn that what you say and do has repercussions. The internet teaches the opposite.[/quote]

A lot of stuff happens to them. I’ve had to deal with them at work as apprentices. They’re weak , ignorant and largely inept- and they know it. If they don’t, they find out very quickly. Sometimes it takes a literal smack down (not my style, but I don’t shun it either). They learn what is real and appropriate by getting live feedback in real time.

Here’s a real one-A kid I was working with stepped on my lead (on purpose) as I was dragging it down the inside length of a barge. Heavy gauge lead weighs about a pound a foot and I was in a hurry humping along with about 200 feet of it. When he stepped on it it stopped dead and I got yanked hard by the shoulder, causing some tears to my pect, delt, upper trap, neck, etc. and inflammation to the main nerve that runs from spine to the shoulder. Simply put, fucked me up fast and badly. My arm went numb and kind of quit working.

I blew up on the kid and started straight for his throat. The foreman got into it and settled things down. The I had to go get iced up, report what happened and get to my doctor. He described it as a stinger that happens to QBs when they get shoulder blasted, and I should go home, rest-ice-tylenol-yadda yadda yadda. Meanwhile word spread around the crew what he did. Now he’s looking at 12 big ugly bad ass motherfuckers who circled up around him and made it really clear that he did something very wrong.

Then the supervisor sat him down for the official action, next time he’s fired, and for him to formally apologize. Along with that he still wasn’t allowed to eat lunch with us for a couple of weeks.

So he went from being a high school kid and world of warcraft warrior to learning about what happens in real life when you screw up, with real consequence and he changed. Last I checked he was actually doing pretty well. Some of them can’t take that type of feedback and challenge to their self image. They recede back into their comfort zone, go somewhere else, do something else, what ever.

I had the same things growing up on a wrestling team too. Run at the mouth, horse around or slack in practice and the coach would literally kick your ass back into line. If he didn’t your opponent in the next match would. Some of us stuck with it, some didn’t.

I don’t see it a whole lot differently with weight lifting either. If a kid acts like a douche in the gym when he’s supposed to be spotting someone they’re both going to find out and learn some lessons real quick.

A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?[/quote]

This is a good post. I have literally worked with people who felt the duties of the job were optional and usually they were younger than 30 years old. [/quote]

Thanks, kind of a mega post by my standards.

Aside from working with them, I’ve been one. The coach tuned me up a coupe of times. The older guys at work have straightened me out on a couple of occasions, and some bigger guys in the gym have reigned me in on talking smack.

We all start somewhere, not often at the top either.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Whom are you referring to if you now find physique art to be ok?[/quote]

My view on nude photography has always been liberal.

In talking about adult responsibility and intellect amongst hardcore bodybuilders, I was speaking of the loads of moochers and do-nothings so common amongst them.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Whom are you referring to if you now find physique art to be ok?[/quote]

My view on nude photography has always been liberal.

In talking about adult responsibility and intellect amongst hardcore bodybuilders, I was speaking of the loads of moochers and do-nothings so common amongst them.
[/quote]

But…could it be your perspective is off?

Kai Greene used to dance for money. I wouldn’t call that “mooching”. It may not be your chosen path or mine…but what does intellect have to do with it?

I knew a guy in med school who was a dancer on the side. He’s practicing now. His “intellect” seems to have held up.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kai Greene used to dance for money. I wouldn’t call that “mooching”. It may not be your chosen path or mine…but what does intellect have to do with it?
[/quote]

I doubt ‘dancing’ would be perceived by many as mooching. Still, you have to acknowledge that there is a certain stereotype that a good number of BBers seem to propagate. I know that I have personally known and been friendly with many an NPC (some national level) competitor who lived off their girlfriends all while selling gear out of their cars, and leaving town on weekends to “train” special clients. Heck, I could rattle off names of guys at my last gym who rather than hold down typical 9-5 jobs, made their weekly scratch via ‘muscle worship’ sessions.

Now, while I can admit that these chosen activities may not have any bearing whatsoever on intellect, I don’t think you’re going to have people unanimously agree that these are paths that reflect what most of us would have our offspring select to pursue.

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kai Greene used to dance for money. I wouldn’t call that “mooching”. It may not be your chosen path or mine…but what does intellect have to do with it?
[/quote]

I doubt ‘dancing’ would be perceived by many as mooching. Still, you have to acknowledge that there is a certain stereotype that a good number of BBers seem to propagate. I know that I have personally known and been friendly with many an NPC (some national level) competitor who lived off their girlfriends all while selling gear out of their cars, and leaving town on weekends to “train” special clients. Heck, I could rattle off names of guys at my last gym who rather than hold down typical 9-5 jobs, made their weekly scratch via ‘muscle worship’ sessions.

Now, while I can admit that these chosen activities may not have any bearing whatsoever on intellect, I don’t think you’re going to have people unanimously agree that these are paths that reflect what most of us would have our offspring select to pursue.

S[/quote]

I want my off spring to be able to think deeper about people as far as character than going off of something like this to judge others.

Yes, I know some smart people who don’t have regular jobs. One of the smartest business people I know hasn’t worked a real job in years (makes poor life decisions at times but has the ability to succeed if focused).

I would rather someone not resort to stripping or dancing or selling drugs if they feel it degrades them. Far be it from me, however, to judge someone’s character on whether they danced or not alone. Upbringing has a lot to do with that.

All in all, I am questioning Brickhouse’s responses…which seem liberal at throwing negative remarks but conservative in explaining any detail behind them.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kai Greene used to dance for money. I wouldn’t call that “mooching”. It may not be your chosen path or mine…but what does intellect have to do with it?
[/quote]

I doubt ‘dancing’ would be perceived by many as mooching. Still, you have to acknowledge that there is a certain stereotype that a good number of BBers seem to propagate. I know that I have personally known and been friendly with many an NPC (some national level) competitor who lived off their girlfriends all while selling gear out of their cars, and leaving town on weekends to “train” special clients. Heck, I could rattle off names of guys at my last gym who rather than hold down typical 9-5 jobs, made their weekly scratch via ‘muscle worship’ sessions.

Now, while I can admit that these chosen activities may not have any bearing whatsoever on intellect, I don’t think you’re going to have people unanimously agree that these are paths that reflect what most of us would have our offspring select to pursue.

S[/quote]

Skip Hill had a rant article in Elitefts about the mooching that commonly occurs in todays bodybuilding that I thought was interesting and somewhat related to your post if you haven’t read it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kai Greene used to dance for money. I wouldn’t call that “mooching”. It may not be your chosen path or mine…but what does intellect have to do with it?
[/quote]

I doubt ‘dancing’ would be perceived by many as mooching. Still, you have to acknowledge that there is a certain stereotype that a good number of BBers seem to propagate. I know that I have personally known and been friendly with many an NPC (some national level) competitor who lived off their girlfriends all while selling gear out of their cars, and leaving town on weekends to “train” special clients. Heck, I could rattle off names of guys at my last gym who rather than hold down typical 9-5 jobs, made their weekly scratch via ‘muscle worship’ sessions.

Now, while I can admit that these chosen activities may not have any bearing whatsoever on intellect, I don’t think you’re going to have people unanimously agree that these are paths that reflect what most of us would have our offspring select to pursue.

S[/quote]

I want my off spring to be able to think deeper about people as far as character than going off of something like this to judge others.

Yes, I know some smart people who don’t have regular jobs. One of the smartest business people I know hasn’t worked a real job in years (makes poor life decisions at times but has the ability to succeed if focused).

I would rather someone not resort to stripping or dancing or selling drugs if they feel it degrades them. Far be it from me, however, to judge someone’s character on whether they danced or not alone. Upbringing has a lot to do with that.

All in all, I am questioning Brickhouse’s responses…which seem liberal at throwing negative remarks but conservative in explaining any detail behind them.[/quote]

How’s a former high ranking Olympia competitor who slept for 16 hours a day while his woman worked a high paying job and he lifted and ate around the clock for an example of mooching.

Yes, people judge character. Was the world ever different? Please, tell me a time and place where there was no judgments made. And surprisingly, you of all people is speaking negatively of judgment while having a huge gripe with the character of anonymous and hostile internet posters.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kai Greene used to dance for money. I wouldn’t call that “mooching”. It may not be your chosen path or mine…but what does intellect have to do with it?
[/quote]

I doubt ‘dancing’ would be perceived by many as mooching. Still, you have to acknowledge that there is a certain stereotype that a good number of BBers seem to propagate. I know that I have personally known and been friendly with many an NPC (some national level) competitor who lived off their girlfriends all while selling gear out of their cars, and leaving town on weekends to “train” special clients. Heck, I could rattle off names of guys at my last gym who rather than hold down typical 9-5 jobs, made their weekly scratch via ‘muscle worship’ sessions.

Now, while I can admit that these chosen activities may not have any bearing whatsoever on intellect, I don’t think you’re going to have people unanimously agree that these are paths that reflect what most of us would have our offspring select to pursue.

S[/quote]

Skip Hill had a rant article in Elitefts about the mooching that commonly occurs in todays bodybuilding that I thought was interesting and somewhat related to your post if you haven’t read it.
[/quote]

I like Skip a lot. Can you provide link or search term I can use?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

How’s a former high ranking Olympia competitor who slept for 16 hours a day while his woman worked a high paying job and he lifted and ate around the clock for an example of mooching.
[/quote]

That sounds like an arrangement between those two people that has nothing to do with anyone outside that relationship to me…not “mooching”.

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@ProfessorX

Leroy called out CT Fletcher and said his body is a result of steroids, said CT gives advice that is horrible because "people on steroids nearly can’t overtrain and natural guys lifting can’t do anything but injure themselves following his lies, which are predicated on a lie that he is natural doing this training.

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I would be very interested in watching a natural trainee overtrain.

I feel as though most tend to suffer from chronic undertraining.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I would be very interested in watching a natural trainee overtrain.

I feel as though most tend to suffer from chronic undertraining.[/quote]

lol, yeah. I think the majority of people in the gym were extatic(sp) when they found out about over training.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I would be very interested in watching a natural trainee overtrain.

I feel as though most tend to suffer from chronic undertraining.[/quote]

What makes you think a natural trainee is incapable of clinical overtraining? You’re almost certainly correct with your second statement, but it really doesn’t change anything, the average don’t have to be ‘accomplishing’ a task for it to be possible.