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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Profesor X. In your personal opinion, if you had to guess, would you say you think CT was natural or enhanced?[/quote]

I would say I don’t care…because my mind doesn’t work like that.

I know what it takes to look like that at that age…and you can’t buy it.

There is no way in hell I would ever be so disrespectful as to openly ask him on a public forum. That is another act that seems odd…following big guys around to question if they are natural openly.[/quote]

Damn. Just damn.

I don’t care that haters go onto videos and hate on the posters. But, I can form an opinion as to why. I knew this type of answer was coming. Supprised you didn’t throw in a crayon remark.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

So in other words yes you do but you don’t want to say so as acknowledging the obvious will go against your construct that steroids aren’t responsible for his size, and anyone his size.[/quote]

? There is nothing “obvious” to me about CT Fletcher and steroid use. I also do not base my inspiration on whether someone uses steroids or not alone.[/quote]

Now that is an answer I can understand

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

Damn. Just damn.

I don’t care that haters go onto videos and hate on the posters. But, I can form an opinion as to why. I knew this type of answer was coming. Supprised you didn’t throw in a crayon remark.[/quote]

What is strange about the fact that I don’t put “uses steroids” or “doesn’t use steroids” on a sign before I decide to listen to someone?

Someone’s use is a non-issue most of the time to me unless we are specifically discussing their hormones used.

I will remark on someone spending a great deal of time doing nothing but berating someone or simply accusing of steroid use with no proof.

I certainly hope that is explained well enough for you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I think basing everything you think about the effectiveness of a style training on if the person is natural or not is a poor way to see things.
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I agree, and it reminds me of when Greg Valentino put out a book on arm training. Sure, the guy’s oiled out of his mind, but as he would point out (and even flaunt old photos as much as he could), he had built a very decent physique long before he destroyed his appearance (in my personal opinion of course).

However, even Greg realized how hypocritical it would look if he claimed that his former training methods built his current physique.

Directing this back at the actual first post, people in this day and age have access to a hell of a lot more information than we did when we first started training. Also, even if I thought a certain pro was ‘on’ something back in the 80’s or early 90’s, I couldn’t pop online and have the actual guy email me his exact cycle!

Couple this with the rise of drug tested organizations, the understanding of pro-hormones and how easy it is to by-pass certain laws and slip past drug tests, how top competitors in different federations with very different drug guidelines look from each other, and suddenly you’ve got a fan base (if you can call it that) that is more than willing to voice discontent with the feeling that they’re being lied to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

Damn. Just damn.

I don’t care that haters go onto videos and hate on the posters. But, I can form an opinion as to why. I knew this type of answer was coming. Supprised you didn’t throw in a crayon remark.[/quote]

What is strange about the fact that I don’t put “uses steroids” or “doesn’t use steroids” on a sign before I decide to listen to someone?

Someone’s use is a non-issue most of the time to me unless we are specifically discussing their hormones used.

I will remark on someone spending a great deal of time doing nothing but berating someone or simply accusing of steroid use with no proof.

I certainly hope that is explained well enough for you.[/quote]

Yeah X that does explain your point a lot better to me than “I don’t care. My mind doesn’t work like that” It still would not have answered his question, but your other post about not seeing “obvious signs” of steroid use did. I had not read that post when I posted my first repsonse to your answer.

You ask a lot of questions here in threads and a lot of us give our answers (opinions). I would just like to see when people ask you a question, you give an answer or opinion. Which you eventually did. Instead of changing the topic to how that question doesn’t fit into your mentality.

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With Youtube especially, there is also the element of anonymity. It seems ridiculous, but for some people it really is its own form of entertainment to get on and light somebody up about something. You could put up a video of a nun giving candy to children and somebody would have something bad to say about it.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
With Youtube especially, there is also the element of anonymity. It seems ridiculous, but for some people it really is its own form of entertainment to get on and light somebody up about something. You could put up a video of a nun giving candy to children and somebody would have something bad to say about it.
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The sad and funny part is that it’s not always the depressed neckbeard. A lot of these people are kids. Not talking about people my age. Actual kids. Not so much in this context though. Just speaking generally.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

If this is in reference to posing for a homosexual, how does that relate to their intellect?[/quote]

Posing for homosexuals doesn’t have anything to do with stunted intellectual development. There are plenty of intelligent and intellectual people with their heads on straight who have posed nude for homosexual and heterosexual studios.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

WTF? You can look at SOME of any group but using that SOME as some platform to rant about an entire activity makes no sense.
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Sorry about that. I should have wrote many, because they are many. [/quote]

I guess you would know…after researching thousands of selfies.

I personally don’t see it much at all aside from a decade old grapefruit and Kai Greene in a Lucha Libre mask.[/quote]

Does the world revolve around YOU?

YOU don’t see it. I and OTHERS do.

I don’t research selfies. There just happens to be MILLIONS of them on every damn social media form there is, particularly fitness and bodybuilding ones.

Are you on other forums? Are you on Facebook or Google groups for bodybuilding and fitness? Do you know people who work in the industry?

Some selfies are tasteful and there’s nothing wrong with indulging at times.

Kai Greene masturbating with a grapefruit wouldn’t be considered sharing a selfie. It was done for a video for Muscle Hunks, a site for which quite a few pros and NPC guys posed and recorded for, Cormier and Rodney St. Cloud included and some others I can’t mention here (some of them have worked with… ).

Perhaps you don’t see some things. Others do.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Profesor X. In your personal opinion, if you had to guess, would you say you think CT was natural or enhanced?[/quote]

I would say I don’t care…[/quote]

And yet you started an entire thread to the fact that other people admit (albeit in their own sometimes arguably disrespectful manners) that they in fact do care whether certain individuals who thrust themselves into the public spotlight are actually what they make claim to be.

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Cormier :slight_smile:

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[quote]Yeah mate I know what you are saying. I have encountered similar problems, however, we probably brought it on by surrounding ourselves with cunts. Generally most people probably won’t encounter situations like we have, ours being the unfortunate minority.

In general your post was good and I agree with most of it but I doubt it applies to most people on here and thus should not be generalised but contextualised and appropriated in appropriate situations.[/quote]
Cool. Trolling and being an internet tough guy are both mug’s games in the end, though. Now I’m off to check my emails and have a shave before anybody else mentions the dreaded neckbeard. Once again, an old mate turned in the nick of time, we went for a beer and things are sorted for both of us. If you are serious in flirting, btw, look me up if I’m ever in devon or wherever you are- I still have a thing for army guys :smiley:

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Profesor X. In your personal opinion, if you had to guess, would you say you think CT was natural or enhanced?[/quote]

I would say I don’t care…[/quote]

And yet you started an entire thread to the fact that other people admit (albeit in their own sometimes arguably disrespectful manners) that they in fact do care whether certain individuals who thrust themselves into the public spotlight are actually what they make claim to be.

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Aaaaaaaaaand we have come full circle.

Mission - Increased forum traffic and shitshow

Mission Accomplished

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
With Youtube especially, there is also the element of anonymity. It seems ridiculous, but for some people it really is its own form of entertainment to get on and light somebody up about something. You could put up a video of a nun giving candy to children and somebody would have something bad to say about it.
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The sad and funny part is that it’s not always the depressed neckbeard. A lot of these people are kids. Not talking about people my age. Actual kids. Not so much in this context though. Just speaking generally.[/quote]

What happens when kids raised on that and ‘facebook friends’ have to enter the real world or work place?

In society, you learn that what you say and do has repercussions. The internet teaches the opposite.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Cormier :)[/quote]

Yeah…you’ve posted that same pic before…which means it is saved on your computer.

You can call that picture a hell of a lot of shit…but “gay porn” isn’t exactly it.

Once again, the difference between that and Sandow is a face mask and a midget.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yeah…you’ve posted that same pic before…which means it is saved on your computer. [/quote]

That’s correct.

I never called it gay porn, nor is it. Do you make stuff up?

That’s correct.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
With Youtube especially, there is also the element of anonymity. It seems ridiculous, but for some people it really is its own form of entertainment to get on and light somebody up about something. You could put up a video of a nun giving candy to children and somebody would have something bad to say about it.
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The sad and funny part is that it’s not always the depressed neckbeard. A lot of these people are kids. Not talking about people my age. Actual kids. Not so much in this context though. Just speaking generally.[/quote]

What happens when kids raised on that and ‘facebook friends’ have to enter the real world or work place?

In society, you learn that what you say and do has repercussions. The internet teaches the opposite.[/quote]

A lot of stuff happens to them. I’ve had to deal with them at work as apprentices. They’re weak , ignorant and largely inept- and they know it. If they don’t, they find out very quickly. Sometimes it takes a literal smack down (not my style, but I don’t shun it either). They learn what is real and appropriate by getting live feedback in real time.

Here’s a real one-A kid I was working with stepped on my lead (on purpose) as I was dragging it down the inside length of a barge. Heavy gauge lead weighs about a pound a foot and I was in a hurry humping along with about 200 feet of it. When he stepped on it it stopped dead and I got yanked hard by the shoulder, causing some tears to my pect, delt, upper trap, neck, etc. and inflammation to the main nerve that runs from spine to the shoulder. Simply put, fucked me up fast and badly. My arm went numb and kind of quit working.

I blew up on the kid and started straight for his throat. The foreman got into it and settled things down. The I had to go get iced up, report what happened and get to my doctor. He described it as a stinger that happens to QBs when they get shoulder blasted, and I should go home, rest-ice-tylenol-yadda yadda yadda. Meanwhile word spread around the crew what he did. Now he’s looking at 12 big ugly bad ass motherfuckers who circled up around him and made it really clear that he did something very wrong.

Then the supervisor sat him down for the official action, next time he’s fired, and for him to formally apologize. Along with that he still wasn’t allowed to eat lunch with us for a couple of weeks.

So he went from being a high school kid and world of warcraft warrior to learning about what happens in real life when you screw up, with real consequence and he changed. Last I checked he was actually doing pretty well. Some of them can’t take that type of feedback and challenge to their self image. They recede back into their comfort zone, go somewhere else, do something else, what ever.

I had the same things growing up on a wrestling team too. Run at the mouth, horse around or slack in practice and the coach would literally kick your ass back into line. If he didn’t your opponent in the next match would. Some of us stuck with it, some didn’t.

I don’t see it a whole lot differently with weight lifting either. If a kid acts like a douche in the gym when he’s supposed to be spotting someone they’re both going to find out and learn some lessons real quick.

A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

That’s correct. [/quote]

So what is your point? Some people are ok doing “physique art”. Are you saying it is bad?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
A good question now is- who is going to be there to put them back in line?[/quote]

No one apparently…mostly because of the apathy shown towards how they act on line.

You have bald skinny dudes calling out guys the size of O’Hearn. Internet has given voice to the average Walmart shopper to comment on those who can do more in some area.