[quote]Chushin wrote:
Welcome back?[/quote]
I am the Alpha. I was here at the beginning. I will be here at the end. I am the Omega. I am eternal. I have risen. 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Species wrote:
- People donât like liars cheats or frauds. We may not always be fair as a species, but a sense of fairness makes us believe competition is possible. Humans like fairness. Weâre hard wired for it. Weâre never going to celebrate the cheat. And itâs not human nature to support a fraud;[/quote]
Above I wrote:
Care to respond?[/quote]
I DID respond further above. Please keep up.
I said:
"I donât have to âknowâ that CT is taking anything, or has taken anything. As I said, we can calculate his BMI and estimate his BF % and compare it to the pretty large data set we have of natural and unnatural BBs. Given that the data set constitutes our âbestâ, CT is either a mutant from another planet, or heâs very unlikely to be natural. Itâs really pretty simple. "[/quote]
Like I wrote, you do not know that CT fletcher is taking anything and looking at a limited data set based mostly on one specific population to jump to an accusation doesnât make any sense.
You simply do not knowâŠand should leave it at that unless you have some other motive.[/quote]
You donât seem to have a good feel for logic, and for empirical evidence. Youâre high on your own opinions, and you argue very much like the fairer sex - which means in a nutshell, itâs damn near impossible to move you off an opinion once youâve formed one, and that no amount of logical discourse will result in anything other than you endlessly bickering.
Now that I got that off my chest
The data set is large. It consists of year after year of outliers (people that have competed, which would be alien to you), both natural and âaided.â We know their dimensions, we know their rough BMIâs (for comparison purposes) and we have this data set going back decades. We an even include natural and unnatural lifters. This data set consists of EXACTLY the people you claim to admire (those that achieved something, won contests, etc., and succeeded in the endeavor), not the âhave notsâ.
No, I donât have evidence that CT eats cheerios or injects test. His physique is evidence against him, unless heâs so much more advanced than all the other outliers, or perhaps heâs from mars?
Yeah, thatâs it. CT is a mutant, and all the other successful guys had to do drugs to get what he has naturally. Yup, sounds likely to me. LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.
Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]
âLook upâ to whomever you please. Itâs a personal thing. But personally, I donât âlook upâ to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c Iâm not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). Iâm more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But thatâs me.
The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), youâre going to get criticism.
Surely thatâs not unreasonable is it?[/quote]
Who specifically do you look up to?
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I donât. There are merely those I admire and/or respect.
Why does it matter who I look up to? Whatâs your point?
EDIT:
by the way, I LOVE your deadlift progression thread. nice work, nice programming. good stuff man.
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It just seemed odd to me that you donât look up to steroid user trainees when you also donât look up to natural trainees. I would imagine the qualifier would simply be âI donât look up to anyoneâ.
I ask because Iâm curious. Like I said, Iâm trying to find good examples for natural trainees to follow in modern times, due to the issues Iâve talked to before about stigmatizing success.
There is no âpointâ beyond that. Itâs a conversation.
I appreciate the accolades. I got inspired for ROM progression by Paul Anderson. Seems to be working.[/quote]
I have to sayâŠsomeone who looks up to absolutely no one in their desired field probably wonât get too far.
You have to have a solid goal in mind of what you are trying to achieve or else you are just spinning your wheels.[/quote]
Big sigh.
Please list your accomplishments in your chosen sport. Hold on, Iâll give you the space to do so below.
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Now that thatâs done, let me give you the reality. Youâve done nothing. Youâve never stepped on stage, and youâve never even dieted down to what would even approach contest shape. And your performance in CO was absolutely underwhelming. You look like a whiner, you donât carry yourself with any confidence, and on a size to performance ratio, you were probably the worst trainee in that trial.
If I had a nickle for every big fat guy in the gym thatâs âbodybuildingâ Iâd have even more time to post here
Bottom line, I am stronger than you, weigh less, was here before you, and will be here after youâre gone (if it suits me).
By the way, you do understand you can have a âsolid goalâ and not necessarily look up to someone. Tell me you at least understand that. LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]
Yes.
My goal isnât that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugeneâs level of muscle mass and have goals of more.
Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTSâŠand acrobatâŠand strongmen. He didnât have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.
He wasnât even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]
Do you take steroid professor X?[/quote]
No, I do not take steroid, Pj. Do you?
How would I know without a drug test?
Could you answer why you use someone who built their body before the invention of a bench press as your role model for physique just to avoid the chance of them using steroids?
That seems strange for someone who takes this seriously.[/quote]
More of your brilliant logic at work.
They didnât have a bench press, or that other silly hammer press crap you use (which is why you almost died and stroked out when you had to push the prowler), and thatâs why they havenât reached their maximum potential (because we all know fully developed pecs add 25lbs and 10 points on your BMI).
Yes! You nailed it. The lack of equipment explains the more than 10 point BMI disparities. LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Iâm more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.
I wouldnât want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.
Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
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I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.
I mean, letâs get seriousâŠif all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the moneyâŠwhen the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]
The above is actually the only cogent sentence you have contributed to this thread. Any experience there?
Musical interlude # 2 :
Will all the trolls in this thread be upstanding for your national anthem⊠please take a moment to think on your humble beginnings when bridges were meant to be lived under and not be burnedâŠ
summary of thread: internet tough guy is upset over fellow internet tough guys
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Welcome back?[/quote]
I am the Alpha. I was here at the beginning. I will be here at the end. I am the Omega. I am eternal. I have risen. :)[/quote]
Are you Smaug?
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.
Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]
âLook upâ to whomever you please. Itâs a personal thing. But personally, I donât âlook upâ to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c Iâm not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). Iâm more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But thatâs me.
The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), youâre going to get criticism.
Surely thatâs not unreasonable is it?[/quote]
Who specifically do you look up to?
[/quote]
I donât. There are merely those I admire and/or respect.
Why does it matter who I look up to? Whatâs your point?
EDIT:
by the way, I LOVE your deadlift progression thread. nice work, nice programming. good stuff man.
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It just seemed odd to me that you donât look up to steroid user trainees when you also donât look up to natural trainees. I would imagine the qualifier would simply be âI donât look up to anyoneâ.
I ask because Iâm curious. Like I said, Iâm trying to find good examples for natural trainees to follow in modern times, due to the issues Iâve talked to before about stigmatizing success.
There is no âpointâ beyond that. Itâs a conversation.
I appreciate the accolades. I got inspired for ROM progression by Paul Anderson. Seems to be working.[/quote]
I have to sayâŠsomeone who looks up to absolutely no one in their desired field probably wonât get too far.
You have to have a solid goal in mind of what you are trying to achieve or else you are just spinning your wheels.[/quote]
Big sigh.
Please list your accomplishments in your chosen sport. Hold on, Iâll give you the space to do so below.
<>
Now that thatâs done, let me give you the reality. Youâve done nothing. Youâve never stepped on stage, and youâve never even dieted down to what would even approach contest shape. And your performance in CO was absolutely underwhelming. You look like a whiner, you donât carry yourself with any confidence, and on a size to performance ratio, you were probably the worst trainee in that trial.
If I had a nickle for every big fat guy in the gym thatâs âbodybuildingâ Iâd have even more time to post here
Bottom line, I am stronger than you, weigh less, was here before you, and will be here after youâre gone (if it suits me).
By the way, you do understand you can have a âsolid goalâ and not necessarily look up to someone. Tell me you at least understand that. LOL[/quote]
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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
summary of thread: internet tough guy is upset over fellow internet tough guys[/quote]
At least they kept it out of the BSL forum this time.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]
I definitely want to look like this, and am willing to do anything to get there: forgo work, hustle, escort, jag off, suck, mooch, scrounge, walk to the gym instead of drive, move to the top of a mountain, ingest buckets of drugsâŠ
Nine-to-fivers: jerkoffs, chumps, weak.
Once again, thanks but no thanks, Pj92x. I mean what I say- with aspergerâs syndrome, its always a bit headfucking to do anything else. I am still equally interested in form and function and I will not get over the emotional blocks associated with bauhaus principles that I have in a hurry. All Iâll say is that IMO sport is a valid way of dealing with complex emotions without anybody getting hurt. Ritual aggression takes the sting out sometimes. Donât get involved with anybody who thinks sex is the answer to all their problems though- you will get hurt.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Iâm more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.
I wouldnât want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.
Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
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Yes, we can tell our children that itâs possible to go to a gym to work out either in the morning before work or in the late afternoon or evening after work and that itâs OK if a meal or workout is missed here and there because of a life stressor or other responsibility or holidays or weddings or funerals and that their muscles will not disintegrate for doing so and that responsible men donât put lifting above everything.
This is provided that our children do not have delusions involving pro bodybuilding even being a real career aspiration⊠except for about five men on this planet at any given time.
Many bodybuilders are gay and there are loads of gays who fetishize bodybuilders. It is a âsportâ pretty much funded and first heavily promoted by gays. The first magazines depicting male physiques were gay magazines. Many straight bros might not like that, but itâs true.
Not only are we speaking of men who donât want to work or are morally destitute, we are speaking of men who have the mentality of children.
Not when you speak in terms of homosexuals as a class of people in general terms like that, no you arenât, frankly.
[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
Not when you speak in terms of homosexuals as a class of people in general terms like that, no you arenât, frankly.[/quote]
What is ânot whenâ? I donât understand your post as I donât know what youâre referring to in my post.
Homosexuals are a class of people, as are heterosexuals. And why canât they be spoken about GENERALLY?
You said, âno, you arenâtâ. What arenât I?
Again, totally confusing post.
Thank you very much!
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]
Yes.
My goal isnât that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugeneâs level of muscle mass and have goals of more.
Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTSâŠand acrobatâŠand strongmen. He didnât have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.
He wasnât even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]
Do you take steroid professor X?[/quote]
No, I do not take steroid, Pj. Do you?
How would I know without a drug test?
Could you answer why you use someone who built their body before the invention of a bench press as your role model for physique just to avoid the chance of them using steroids?
That seems strange for someone who takes this seriously.[/quote]
More of your brilliant logic at work.
They didnât have a bench press, or that other silly hammer press crap you use (which is why you almost died and stroked out when you had to push the prowler), and thatâs why they havenât reached their maximum potential (because we all know fully developed pecs add 25lbs and 10 points on your BMI).
Yes! You nailed it. The lack of equipment explains the more than 10 point BMI disparities. LOL[/quote]
man professor x has leg injuries from the military. let it go.
[quote]Species wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Welcome back?[/quote]
I am the Alpha. I was here at the beginning. I will be here at the end. I am the Omega. I am eternal. I have risen. :)[/quote]
I knew I liked this guy
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Mostly for the love of self righteous indignation. Some people love being disillusioned in some strange morbid way.
The people that get on my nerves are the ones who are the self appointed straighteners of the record (the bald guy whoâs vids show up a lot here lately comes to mind). That is all he seems to do. I donât know how successful he may be, but it just seems like an unnecessary case of sour grapes to produce an endless amount of videos calling everybody else liars and cheats while claiming to have the real lowdown on how to get strong. Other S&C coaches that actually are doing well donât do that. Theyâre too busy helping people win. They also have the smarts to exercise some discretion instead of popping off like a giddy little 9 year old tattle tale.
Is it really good for the serious lifter? Itâs probably a moot point for anybody who is really dedicated. Theyâre going to do what they do because that is who they are, disenchanted youtube trainers be damned.
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YeahâŠyou donât see Joe DeFranco making videos bitching about how much everyone else sucks. He just educates and continues to train people, because thatâs what he loves to do.