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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was always told to set long term goals that are extreme…because even if you do fall short, you will still be far beyond most.

That is why someone “unenhanced” may look to someone who has used steroids.

Because this isn’t about trying to BE someone else.

It is about finding the things that motivate you to push yourself to be more and more.

The only reason someone would avoid ever using someone enhanced as a source of inspiration is if they have some sort of bias already in place.

Otherwise they would know that inspiration is never about becoming someone else.[/quote]

This constitutes your opinion and mindset.

So did you start a thread to pontificate about the world according to YOU, and the whole exercise is rhetorical, or were you ever open to understanding why some people don’t support people that lie about drug use?
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You must be new here.[/quote]

An incarnation of one of the dozens of posters who have replied with the exact same wording to X.

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Seems appropriate.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Seems appropriate. [/quote]

LMAO, bravo!

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[quote]Depression Boy wrote:
More on topic, back in the innocent 70s regular people looked at someone who was very muscular and automatically assumed :

  1. Said “uber muscular guy” was very strong, that he could kick everyone else’s ass and run fast and long without breathing hard, despite the “muscle bound” concept being pushed by some sports coaches.

  2. That he was naturally high testosterone and ergo virile, a “player” who’d fucked more than his fair share of women etc.

  3. That women actually loved the “buff bodybuilder” look more than any other look. This is why the first few Chippendale strippers were fresh off Muscle beach.
    This made them “idolize” that look especially since Arnold in his movies embodied all of these characteristics.
    [/quote]

I was with you until you went off the reservation with the following:

[quote]Today however we understand the specificity of strength, and the dichotomy between strength vs endurance, not to mention that being able to land a good punch is more about reach and handspeed which are genetic rather than beefy pectorals etc etc etc. Most people also understand that professional wrestling and the moves are not real… basically point 1 was thrown out of the window but thanks to American football and linebackers, people still (luckily) look at the everyday meathead and suspect he MIGHT possibly be physically dominant, at least until he ends up in a fight.

The ones who actually take to “recreational physique development” as a hobby are generally virgins and the socially awkward and/or those who were bullied as kids → these same are more comfortable deadlifting a 6 plate PR to Lordi’s blood red sandman than they are in a night club or party or talking to women in real life. This allows college kids to associate the bigger/bulkier physiques with “socially awkward” rather than “player”.

As for point 3, women have been attracted to a wide range of physiques but your face, your height and shoulder-waist-hip proportion are pretty much the “main deciding factors” of male attractiveness, followed by other attributes (including voice) that are relatively unaffected by lifting. [/quote]

The internet seems to be strong lately with the spirit of psychoanalysis. You would think every other person on line just graduated into psychiatric residency.

Simply put, over the course of someone’s life, the initial drive that pushed them into lifting for the very first time has to evolve into something more to keep someone doing it for a life time especially to the extreme some of us may be after.

I just see “insecure” thrown around so much quite often by people who often come across as “insecure”. No one can be pegged as squarely as you wrote here unless they have the character of a cartoon.

I can agree with this.

I also think the internet just provides that safety cushion. It is like people who honk their horn freely on the freeway but would never confront someone face to face.

The internet is the new courage?

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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

  1. People don’t like liars cheats or frauds. We may not always be fair as a species, but a sense of fairness makes us believe competition is possible. Humans like fairness. We’re hard wired for it. We’re never going to celebrate the cheat. And it’s not human nature to support a fraud;[/quote]

Above I wrote:

Care to respond?[/quote]

I DID respond further above. Please keep up.

I said:

"I don’t have to “know” that CT is taking anything, or has taken anything. As I said, we can calculate his BMI and estimate his BF % and compare it to the pretty large data set we have of natural and unnatural BBs. Given that the data set constitutes our “best”, CT is either a mutant from another planet, or he’s very unlikely to be natural. It’s really pretty simple. "[/quote]

Like I wrote, you do not know that CT fletcher is taking anything and looking at a limited data set based mostly on one specific population to jump to an accusation doesn’t make any sense.

You simply do not know…and should leave it at that unless you have some other motive.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.

Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]

“Look up” to whomever you please. It’s a personal thing. But personally, I don’t “look up” to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c I’m not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). I’m more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But that’s me.

The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), you’re going to get criticism.

Surely that’s not unreasonable is it?[/quote]

Who specifically do you look up to?
[/quote]

I don’t. There are merely those I admire and/or respect.

Why does it matter who I look up to? What’s your point?

EDIT:

by the way, I LOVE your deadlift progression thread. nice work, nice programming. good stuff man.
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It just seemed odd to me that you don’t look up to steroid user trainees when you also don’t look up to natural trainees. I would imagine the qualifier would simply be “I don’t look up to anyone”.

I ask because I’m curious. Like I said, I’m trying to find good examples for natural trainees to follow in modern times, due to the issues I’ve talked to before about stigmatizing success.

There is no “point” beyond that. It’s a conversation.

I appreciate the accolades. I got inspired for ROM progression by Paul Anderson. Seems to be working.[/quote]

I have to say…someone who looks up to absolutely no one in their desired field probably won’t get too far.

You have to have a solid goal in mind of what you are trying to achieve or else you are just spinning your wheels.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]

Yes.

My goal isn’t that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugene’s level of muscle mass and have goals of more.

Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTS…and acrobat…and strongmen. He didn’t have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.

He wasn’t even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]

Yes.

My goal isn’t that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugene’s level of muscle mass and have goals of more.

Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTS…and acrobat…and strongmen. He didn’t have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.

He wasn’t even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]

Do you take steroid professor X?

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]

Yes.

My goal isn’t that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugene’s level of muscle mass and have goals of more.

Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTS…and acrobat…and strongmen. He didn’t have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.

He wasn’t even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]

Do you take steroid professor X?[/quote]

No, I do not take steroid, Pj. Do you?

How would I know without a drug test?

Could you answer why you use someone who built their body before the invention of a bench press as your role model for physique just to avoid the chance of them using steroids?

That seems strange for someone who takes this seriously.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]

Yes.

My goal isn’t that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugene’s level of muscle mass and have goals of more.

Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTS…and acrobat…and strongmen. He didn’t have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.

He wasn’t even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]

Do you take steroid professor X?[/quote]

No, I do not take steroid, Pj. Do you?

How would I know without a drug test?

Could you answer why you use someone who built their body before the invention of a bench press as your role model for physique just to avoid the chance of them using steroids?

That seems strange for someone who takes this seriously.[/quote]

I didn’t, I said Omar Isuf, Nick Wright, Vince G. And the poster asked how I knew they were natural, so I then posted people who were definitely natural.

When I brought up natural people to look up to, I was asked in a way, well you can’t know they are natural, so I said those pioneers were people worthy of being a natural lifters role model.

No I am not on steroids, though I would be open to using them if I ever want to get bigger and dedicate serious time to it. I mean if you are dedicated to something you do whatever you can to succeed in it.

By the way I liked your TNation videos. You are a big dude.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]

Yes.

My goal isn’t that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugene’s level of muscle mass and have goals of more.

Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTS…and acrobat…and strongmen. He didn’t have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.

He wasn’t even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]

I agree with your Sandow point. He is a legend and the OG and much respect. But, his physique is not that impressive for modern time. We have so much more knowledge about training the body it is redic. He was strong as shit, built very well, and if a person today has his build I would think it is a good job but I would not be really impressed with it, even if done natural.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.[/quote]

Dontcha like freshly prepared grapefruit?

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.[/quote]

Dude…he is paying your rent, your supplement bill and your gym membership.

The least you could do is sweep in your underwear.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Picture of Kai Greene
Does anyone here want to look more like this than they want to look like Eugen Sandow?[/quote]

Yes.

My goal isn’t that extreme, but some lifters have passed up Eugene’s level of muscle mass and have goals of more.

Sandow holds a place as one of the first PHYSIQUE ARTISTS…and acrobat…and strongmen. He didn’t have access to a bench press let alone all of the equipment we have now.

He wasn’t even at his absolute potential as far as muscle mass.[/quote]

I agree with your Sandow point. He is a legend and the OG and much respect. But, his physique is not that impressive for modern time. We have so much more knowledge about training the body it is redic. He was strong as shit, built very well, and if a person today has his build I would think it is a good job but I would not be really impressed with it, even if done natural. [/quote]

Exactly.

If Sandow were alive today, even he would be disappointed with that progress.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.[/quote]

Dontcha like freshly prepared grapefruit?
[/quote]

Not that much.

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[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.[/quote]

Dontcha like freshly prepared grapefruit?
[/quote]

Not that much. [/quote]

Fussy eater.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.[/quote]

Dude…he is paying your rent, your supplement bill and your gym membership.

The least you could do is sweep in your underwear.[/quote]

Maybe I could just do yard work with just shorts on, while he stays inside.
Honestly had to think what i would do for rent, food, supps, and gym membership. That’s the best I could come up with.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I’m more disappointed that a lot of those guys do gay porn than steroids.

I wouldn’t want my kid growing up thinking that appearing in gay porn is something he has to do to get yoked.

Unless of course it is just coincidence that they are bodybuilders that just happen to be gay.
[/quote]

I think it is more that the network they fall into has a ton of gay guys willing to give out money just for having a picture taken.

I mean, let’s get serious…if all you want to do all day is eat, lift, eat and lift then why work hard for the money…when the guy down the street will cover all of your food and supplement bills if you just fix breakfast in his house naked every other Tuesday?[/quote]

I do not agree with you here. If you or someone else would want to do that, go ahead knock yourself out, but no thanks.[/quote]

Dontcha like freshly prepared grapefruit?
[/quote]

Not that much. [/quote]

Fussy eater.[/quote]

Ha