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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.

Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]

“Look up” to whomever you please. It’s a personal thing. But personally, I don’t “look up” to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c I’m not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). I’m more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But that’s me.

The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), you’re going to get criticism.

Surely that’s not unreasonable is it?[/quote]

Who specifically do you look up to?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.

Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]

“Look up” to whomever you please. It’s a personal thing. But personally, I don’t “look up” to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c I’m not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). I’m more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But that’s me.

The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), you’re going to get criticism.

Surely that’s not unreasonable is it?[/quote]

Who specifically do you look up to?
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I don’t. There are merely those I admire and/or respect.

Why does it matter who I look up to? What’s your point?

EDIT:

by the way, I LOVE your deadlift progression thread. nice work, nice programming. good stuff man.

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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.

Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]

“Look up” to whomever you please. It’s a personal thing. But personally, I don’t “look up” to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c I’m not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). I’m more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But that’s me.

The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), you’re going to get criticism.

Surely that’s not unreasonable is it?[/quote]

Who specifically do you look up to?
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I don’t. There are merely those I admire and/or respect.

Why does it matter who I look up to? What’s your point?

EDIT:

by the way, I LOVE your deadlift progression thread. nice work, nice programming. good stuff man.
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It just seemed odd to me that you don’t look up to steroid user trainees when you also don’t look up to natural trainees. I would imagine the qualifier would simply be “I don’t look up to anyone”.

I ask because I’m curious. Like I said, I’m trying to find good examples for natural trainees to follow in modern times, due to the issues I’ve talked to before about stigmatizing success.

There is no “point” beyond that. It’s a conversation.

I appreciate the accolades. I got inspired for ROM progression by Paul Anderson. Seems to be working.

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Here’s a thread that has more trolls than Skyrim in it

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This is my physique goal, but my “genetics” are â?¦ lacking.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:
This is my physique goal, but my “genetics” are â?¦ lacking.[/quote]
is that a bad dick joke?

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Musical interlude.

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Where the fuck is Chris Colucci?

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I think he’s the one in the biker leathers lol

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:
This is my physique goal, but my “genetics” are â?¦ lacking.[/quote]

You needn’t have any concerns about that. Your potential for making a complete dick of yourself is obvious.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
This is my physique goal, but my “genetics” are Ã?¢?Ã?¦ lacking.[/quote]

You needn’t have any concerns about that. Your potential for making a complete dick of yourself is obvious.
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Nice!

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
I will re-ask my question, as I think it got buried a long while ago.

Who SHOULD we look up to as a natural trainee?[/quote]

“Look up” to whomever you please. It’s a personal thing. But personally, I don’t “look up” to a drug infused guy squatting 1000 b/c I’m not going to follow his path (by taking drugs). I’m more impressed with the guy squatting 3x or more bwt drug free and equipment free. But that’s me.

The point is though, when you lie, or perpetrate a fraud (misrepresenting natural), you’re going to get criticism.

Surely that’s not unreasonable is it?[/quote]

Who specifically do you look up to?
[/quote]

I don’t. There are merely those I admire and/or respect.

Why does it matter who I look up to? What’s your point?

EDIT:

by the way, I LOVE your deadlift progression thread. nice work, nice programming. good stuff man.
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It just seemed odd to me that you don’t look up to steroid user trainees when you also don’t look up to natural trainees. I would imagine the qualifier would simply be “I don’t look up to anyone”.

I ask because I’m curious. Like I said, I’m trying to find good examples for natural trainees to follow in modern times, due to the issues I’ve talked to before about stigmatizing success.

There is no “point” beyond that. It’s a conversation.

I appreciate the accolades. I got inspired for ROM progression by Paul Anderson. Seems to be working.
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I got it. :slight_smile:

So you’re looking to “stand on the shoulders of a giant” so to speak? If that’s the case, you’re very wise. It’s just that I think that strength training is so variable - much more so than BB. In BB (in my opinion), there are just outer limits to how large/lean you can be naturally, and they are pretty well established empirically.

In strength sports, you have some guys that are very well leveraged, very neuro-muscularly efficient (apparently) that display ant like strength without an abundance of muscle mass, who can either be very fat, or very very lean (and drug free). I just think there are more true “outliers” in strength, than there are in BB. If someone can actually refute that, I think it’s a good discussion.

So now that I understand your Q a bit better, I guess my inspiration/emulation is more impersonal b/c I’m constantly searching/looking to training methodologies and movements. That’s why I am enamored by your progression scheme (even though conceptually it’s not novel, but we don’t see much of that methodology today - not sure why). So I guess, in a way, YOU inspired me.

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Favorite enhanced physique.

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favourite natural physique.

Alfred was gangster.

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Welcome back to the forums, Oleena :slight_smile:

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More on topic, back in the innocent 70s regular people looked at someone who was very muscular and automatically assumed :

  1. Said “uber muscular guy” was very strong, that he could kick everyone else’s ass and run fast and long without breathing hard, despite the “muscle bound” concept being pushed by some sports coaches.

  2. That he was naturally high testosterone and ergo virile, a “player” who’d fucked more than his fair share of women etc.

  3. That women actually loved the “buff bodybuilder” look more than any other look. This is why the first few Chippendale strippers were fresh off Muscle beach.
    This made them “idolize” that look especially since Arnold in his movies embodied all of these characteristics.

Today however we understand the specificity of strength, and the dichotomy between strength vs endurance, not to mention that being able to land a good punch is more about reach and handspeed which are genetic rather than beefy pectorals etc etc etc. Most people also understand that professional wrestling and the moves are not real… basically point 1 was thrown out of the window but thanks to American football and linebackers, people still (luckily) look at the everyday meathead and suspect he MIGHT possibly be physically dominant, at least until he ends up in a fight.

The ones who actually take to “recreational physique development” as a hobby are generally virgins and the socially awkward and/or those who were bullied as kids → these same are more comfortable deadlifting a 6 plate PR to Lordi’s blood red sandman than they are in a night club or party or talking to women in real life. This allows college kids to associate the bigger/bulkier physiques with “socially awkward” rather than “player”.

As for point 3, women have been attracted to a wide range of physiques but your face, your height and shoulder-waist-hip proportion are pretty much the “main deciding factors” of male attractiveness, followed by other attributes (including voice) that are relatively unaffected by lifting.

So since heterosexual everyday men and women have stopped “idolizing” the bodybuilder look they feel more comfortable taking them apart on an online forum/message board. WHY they take them down is a different issue as you fine gentlemen have covered in depth.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Favorite enhanced physique.[/quote]

Who is that?

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Favorite enhanced physique.[/quote]

Who is that? [/quote]

Jeff the snowman monson.

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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was always told to set long term goals that are extreme…because even if you do fall short, you will still be far beyond most.

That is why someone “unenhanced” may look to someone who has used steroids.

Because this isn’t about trying to BE someone else.

It is about finding the things that motivate you to push yourself to be more and more.

The only reason someone would avoid ever using someone enhanced as a source of inspiration is if they have some sort of bias already in place.

Otherwise they would know that inspiration is never about becoming someone else.[/quote]

This constitutes your opinion and mindset.

So did you start a thread to pontificate about the world according to YOU, and the whole exercise is rhetorical, or were you ever open to understanding why some people don’t support people that lie about drug use?
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