He isn’t fooling me, he’s a piece of shit. Whether or not he dies in a chair or of natural causes, he’s still going to burn in hell. The only thing we can do is speed up the process.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Most would agree there APPEARS to be bias in the system wrt race.
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California is 44% white. 39% of the people on death row are white. 8 of the 11 people executed in California are white.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Will you and the prof be there for Scott Peterson on his day of need?
I think one of you might.
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As it stands now? Of course not. I would say the same thing if this were 1981 and we were discussing Tookie’s case. Who knows what your kids will be discussing in 30 years depending on his actions from this point on. The issue…for what must be the 5th time…is and always has been “thirty years”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
How do you think your problems would be related? Racial bias? Because someone was evaluated for rehabilitation?
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Racial Bias. If the system is biased even with all of its checks and balances to ensure fair trials, then adding subjective factors , even evidence like doing good things for fellow inmates can and would introduce racial bias.
That is why our system is law-based. You break the law , you go to jail if its an arrestable offense. It is idiotic to ignore this and i would go even further to say that people would be uniformly opposed to this, even 30 or 40 years down the road.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The guy was pretty into bodybuilding.[/quote]
Just heard he hasn’t decided on a last meal yet.
Guess he’s still debating P&F vs P&C.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Most would agree there APPEARS to be bias in the system wrt race.
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California is 44% white. 39% of the people on death row are white. 8 of the 11 people executed in California are white.
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Hence my capitalization of appears sir. It is a common NAACP argument for doing away with the death penalty because it is racially biased. The info provided disputed that.
Now you further reinforced it.
[quote]futuredave wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The guy was pretty into bodybuilding.
Just heard he hasn’t decided on a last meal yet.
Guess he’s still debating P&F vs P&C.
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It doesn’t matter he’s gonna die…Go for steak lobster and oysters on the half. Skip the salad get some chocolate milk and cream good stuff and a bananas foster w/ ice cream for desert.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Will you and the prof be there for Scott Peterson on his day of need?
I think one of you might.
As it stands now? Of course not. I would say the same thing if this were 1981 and we were discussing Tookie’s case. Who knows what your kids will be discussing in 30 years depending on his actions from this point on. The issue…for what must be the 5th time…is and always has been “thirty years”.[/quote]
Whatever. Get over yourself. You keep trying to use the very system that DIDN"T kill him30 years ago, to now save his sorry life. The same one where in your own words, you would have watched him die. the same way you would watch Peterson now. Do you see the hypocrisy and irony in your damn thought process.
Give it a blow. The man dies in 4 hours. I’m not happy about that a man is about to die. I get no joy. But I’ll lose no sleep, because I feel a rightly convicted man is paying the ultimate price.
As a side note for the umpteenth time, he’s been evaluated by staff psychologist, he’s had his case reviewed ad-nauseum by all levels of the judiciary and now the Governor and Supreme Court have weighed in. I’d say enough peoiple have looked at the case and found his potential rehabilitation did not outweigh his crime. To me, that’s fair enough
[quote]futuredave wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The guy was pretty into bodybuilding.
Just heard he hasn’t decided on a last meal yet.
Guess he’s still debating P&F vs P&C.
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Boooooooo.
Hissssssss.
That bad thing is that I laughed.
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Most would agree there APPEARS to be bias in the system wrt race.
…
California is 44% white. 39% of the people on death row are white. 8 of the 11 people executed in California are white.
Hence my capitalization of appears sir. It is a common NAACP argument for doing away with the death penalty because it is racially biased. The info provided disputed that.
Now you further reinforced it.[/quote]
I was just watching O’Reilly where the statistic is that when the victims are white and the defendant is black, the black defendant is 80% more likely to get the death penalty. I will have to look for this in writing or for a more reliable source considering where that came from.
He looks pretty big…I wonder what his program is like…
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Will you and the prof be there for Scott Peterson on his day of need?
I think one of you might.
As it stands now? Of course not. I would say the same thing if this were 1981 and we were discussing Tookie’s case. Who knows what your kids will be discussing in 30 years depending on his actions from this point on. The issue…for what must be the 5th time…is and always has been “thirty years”.
Whatever. Get over yourself. You keep trying to use the very system that DIDN"T kill him30 years ago, to now save his sorry life. The same one where in your own words, you would have watched him die. the same way you would watch Peterson now. Do you see the hypocrisy and irony in your damn thought process.[/quote]
No, I don’t. You are denying that someone could change in 30 years? Are you saying this is beyond the scope of understanding and that until eternity, this should never be evaluated?
I’m not exactly tossing and turning tonight either. I wasn’t aware that the issue was all about this one man. You are the only who seems to be unable to see past “Tookie” and understand what is being said.
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As a side note for the umpteenth time, he’s been evaluated by staff psychologist, he’s had his case reviewed ad-nauseum by all levels of the judiciary and now the Governor and Supreme Court have weighed in. I’d say enough peoiple have looked at the case and found his potential rehabilitation did not outweigh his crime. To me, that’s fair enough[/quote]
I have already said that whatever Arnold decided, I would be cool with because of the crimes committed. Again, take Tookie out of the equation if it is impossible for you to see this issue with him standing in it.
[quote]AK47 wrote:
He looks pretty big…I wonder what his program is like…[/quote]
He apparently looked up to Arnold. I seriously doubt he was worried about block training. Good genetics, plenty of food and hard work ethic in the gym equals “big as fuck”. Sometimes it isn’t about the program alone.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Professor X wrote:
sasquatch wrote:
Will you and the prof be there for Scott Peterson on his day of need?
I think one of you might.
As it stands now? Of course not. I would say the same thing if this were 1981 and we were discussing Tookie’s case. Who knows what your kids will be discussing in 30 years depending on his actions from this point on. The issue…for what must be the 5th time…is and always has been “thirty years”.
Whatever. Get over yourself. You keep trying to use the very system that DIDN"T kill him30 years ago, to now save his sorry life. The same one where in your own words, you would have watched him die. the same way you would watch Peterson now. Do you see the hypocrisy and irony in your damn thought process.
No, I don’t. You are denying that someone could change in 30 years? Are you saying this is beyond the scope of understanding and that until eternity, this should never be evaluated?
Give it a blow. The man dies in 4 hours. I’m not happy about that a man is about to die. I get no joy. But I’ll lose no sleep, because I feel a rightly convicted man is paying the ultimate price.
I’m not exactly tossing and turning tonight either. I wasn’t aware that the issue was all about this one man. You are the only who seems to be unable to see past “Tookie” and understand what is being said.
As a side note for the umpteenth time, he’s been evaluated by staff psychologist, he’s had his case reviewed ad-nauseum by all levels of the judiciary and now the Governor and Supreme Court have weighed in. I’d say enough peoiple have looked at the case and found his potential rehabilitation did not outweigh his crime. To me, that’s fair enough
I have already said that whatever Arnold decided, I would be cool with because of the crimes committed. Again, take Tookie out of the equation if it is impossible for you to see this issue with him standing in it.[/quote]
That’s truly idiotic. Never once have I posted that a person can’t change. I have stated that a 4 time convictted cold blooded murderer is probably not rehabilitatable. But have always left open the fact that people could change.
In fact I used the change over time thing to equate to President Bush> When you and the other haters bring up his college past. So for the last time–people can change,even that though doesn’t mean they deserve clemency.
Does that now clarify to you what–if you would take the time to actually read my posts instead of just reacting to them–I am saying.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
AK47 wrote:
He looks pretty big…I wonder what his program is like…
He apparently looked up to Arnold. I seriously doubt he was worried about block training. Good genetics, plenty of food and hard work ethic in the gym equals “big as fuck”. Sometimes it isn’t about the program alone.[/quote]
This does bring into debate though some of the overanalyzed nonsense about what to eat and when. Monitoring P&F and P&C and all the other minutiae that people think has to be strictly adhered to to make any gains in their bodies.
I think we all could agree that he has less than optimal training conditions for like 30 years and he still maintains some serious size and muscularity.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Either way… these are this man’s last living hours. I wonder what is going through his mind- so few of us actually know when we are going to die, to the minute.
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He’s kind of angry. From what i read, he’s even refusing a last meal. I agree , he could have done all of those things. If you founded a sucessful gang , you can start up a fortune 500 company no problem. But i bet he’s mad at himself for killing those people. He could have easily ordered a lower crip to do it for him why do it himself? And without getting into this debate he knew
what might happen as a result of those robberies but heck, made some people lie down so he could shotgun them in the back. Crazy
[quote]sasquatch wrote:
That’s truly idiotic.
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Wait a second. You jump on Vroom for talking down to you (as you took it), but now my posts are idiotic? As long as the gloves are off.
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Never once have I posted that a person can’t change. I have stated that a 4 time convictted cold blooded murderer is probably not rehabilitatable. But have always left open the fact that people could change.[/quote]
So, you are arguing the point made because…
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In fact I used the change over time thing to equate to President Bush> When you and the other haters bring up his college past. So for the last time–people can change,even that though doesn’t mean they deserve clemency.[/quote]
If they have changed, then what are we killing them for? The issue is whether the act of killing someone in retribution for an act is humane enough for us to casually accept it as a way of life without trying to change it at all. I haven’t seen anyone on this board attempt to excuse the act of murder. The question is, how does us murdering the murderer put us above them?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
He is not stupid- he is an intelligent being, one who clearly shows unbelievable leadership skills…one that, if he had been born in a white suburb, might be a CEO now…or maybe governor, mulling the fate of a controversial gangbanger.
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This is one of the most asinine things I have ever seen posted. Anywhere.
Strange premise you have there Irish.
You mean the key difference between a decent person and a murderous thug is a “white suburb”? This is such a symptom of the modern leftist victim mentality, it is disgusting. Statements like this should be offensive to everyone…regardless of what group you
belong to.
An overwhelming majority of people that live or have lived in urban shitholes don’t wind up like this guy.
A real man would say it doesnt fucking matter where you happen to have been born. You’ll play the hand you were dealt and conduct yourself as an honorable, decent human being no matter what. There are plenty of people that come from absolutely nothing and make successes out of themselves and even if they never see any real success, they’re still decent people.
Being poor or growing up in a bad environment is an excuse for losing your humanity. What the fuck?
Chirst…Im really getting scared about where this country is headed.
I hate violence , and i don’t like guns either. I hate people that rob and murder esp those in gangs. The family of the victims deserve retribution even though that is a pretty ugly word. Let it be done and God have mercy on all parties esp Tookie
The Classic Children’s Tale
By Stanley “Tookie” Williams
Once upon a time, down a bright sunny alley behind a magical cottage in a faraway kingdom called Compton, lived a little quacky ducky named Tookie. Tookie was brave and strong and all of the other duckies knew to respect him, because otherwise Tookie and his friend Sammy Sawed-Off would mess you up bad, understand?
One day, Tookie was feeling very, very sad, because he had run out of Kools. “Who will help me get my Kools?” he said. “I will help you get your Kools!” said Blackie. So Tookie and Blackie drove to the 7-Eleven in Tookie’s Monte Carlo.
“Give me some Kools!” Tookie asked Clerky Ducky. Clerky Ducky gave him the Kools, but he was very very slow, so Tookie greased the quacker with Sammy Sawed-Off. “Boom!” said Sammy.
“Ha ha!” laughed Tookie. “Listen to Clerky’s funny sounds! Gurgle gurgle gurgle!”
“Shit, Took, you one crazy mail chute muthaducka,” said Blackie, who was so scared he dropped his Big Gulp.
Tookie was so proud of what a good job he had done that he started new duck club that he called the Quacks. He gave all of his Quacks friends pretty blue bonnets and Tec-9s. “If you see any muthaducka wearing a red bonnet, pop a cap in they ducktail,” said Tookie.
The Quacks all loved Tookie and all the other duckies feared him, and soon he was King of all of Compton. But Tookie was still sad because he needed some money. So he drove his Monte Carlo to the Brookhaven Motel on Vermont.
“Give me some money!” said Tookie to Mister slanty eyed Hotel Duck and his family.
“You get out my motel!” yelled Mister Hotel Duck, in his stupid ching-chong Chinaduck voice.
“Boom! Boom! Boom!” boomed Sammy Sawed-Off, who turned their buddaheads into ching chong duck chop suey.
Then something very very bad happened. Blackie the Ducky turned into a stool pigeon. He went to the Piggies and ratted on Tookie. Tookie was very sad, because he knew then he should have killed Blackie at the 7-Eleven when he had his chance. The Piggies took away his best friend Sammy Sawed-Off, and put him in the Palmdale coop with the naughty duckies.
“Who is the new fish?” said some mean duckies in the exercise yard, watching Tookie do his bench presses. This made Tookie and his Quack friends angry, so they messed 'em up bad and made them into their bitches, and that was the end of that shit.
Still, Tookie was very sad because the piggies were going to roast him. He layed in the coop and wrote appeals. He dreamed of freedom and payback for that punkass bitch Blackie, who had flown up north and was serving time for capping some Canadian geese. Then Tookie had a very very good idea: he would write a book of his adventures for ducklings.
The beautiful and powerful and noisy swans from Malibu heard about Tookie and his happy duckling books. There was Susan and Barbra and Sean and Danny and Whoopie and Bianca, and their friend Jamie the Fox. Together they honked, and what a loud noise the beautiful swans made! “Honk! Honk! Free Tookie the Ducky!” they honked. “Tweet tweet!” cried Tim the Robbin.
But Arnold, the King of the Piggies, was very mean and did not listen to their beautiful swan song. Finally, his wise Councilpigs told him: “if you roast Tookie then the Quacks will set all of Compton on fire. And then your goose will be cooked.”
Just about then, something magical happened: King Arnold turned into a chicken. Tookie was pardoned, and he flew to Europe where the beautiful swallows gave him prizes and awards for his wonderful books. The beautiful swans in Malibu cheered and honked and offered Tookie documentaries and walk-on cameos. Tookie eventually returned to Compton and the Quacks had a big celebration with hats and cake and 40s and Tec-9s.
And all the other ducks in Compton? Those bitches remembered they better watch their ducktails. And they lived fearfully ever after.
THE END