According to KTLA, an administrator at Alhambra High School has resigned after a former student posted a Youtube video of a phone conversation she had with her abuser.
Jamie Carrillo recorded video of an emotional phone conversation that showed her calling her alleged female abuser and demanding answers.
Jamie says the former coach, who has since been identified as Andrea Cardosa, began sexually molesting her when she was just 12 years old. Cardosa resigned last Friday, and the police are now investigating.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I know we are supposed to be civilised and all but does anyone else think rape should be death penalty? Especially raping children, jesus christ.[/quote]
Death by hanging or a firing squad.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I know we are supposed to be civilised and all but does anyone else think rape should be death penalty? Especially raping children, jesus christ.[/quote]
Death by hanging or a firing squad.[/quote]
Firing squad is how I would want to go, apparently lethal injection could be awful, as people who were accidentally injected with one of the chemicals said it felt like jet fuel burning in her body. Electric chair is horrific and gas chamber is too.
Pedophiles should get the electric chair
Rapists get the gas chamber/injection
Firing squad is quick and relatively painless. I think gangsters, murderers in the second degree etc should get that.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I know we are supposed to be civilised and all but does anyone else think rape should be death penalty? Especially raping children, jesus christ.[/quote]
Death by hanging or a firing squad.[/quote]
Firing squad is how I would want to go, apparently lethal injection could be awful, as people who were accidentally injected with one of the chemicals said it felt like jet fuel burning in her body. Electric chair is horrific and gas chamber is too.
Pedophiles should get the electric chair
Rapists get the gas chamber/injection
Firing squad is quick and relatively painless. I think gangsters, murderers in the second degree etc should get that.
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Yup but someone is fighting for their rights
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
It seems somewhat contradictory to post this: “What if they are wrongly convicted?”
along with this:
" 1) Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot."
IMO, if two people are both convicted to 10 years in prison, they quality of their life while incarcerated should not be different based on what their crime was. Slippery slope to say the least.
You’re probably not being very serious with that statement though.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Firing squad is how I would want to go, apparently lethal injection could be awful, as people who were accidentally injected with one of the chemicals said it felt like jet fuel burning in her body. Electric chair is horrific and gas chamber is too.
Pedophiles should get the electric chair
Rapists get the gas chamber/injection
Firing squad is quick and relatively painless. I think gangsters, murderers in the second degree etc should get that.
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I’m a big fan of “death by what ever your crime is”. rapists get raped, murderers get killed how ever they killed their victim, ect.
What’s worse about this is, the statute of limitation might have run out on this, so the molester may not be able to be prosecuted for this crime.
She may be prosecuted if she did this more recently, but not in the case of Jamie Carrillo.
Also, there is a California law which states that you cannot record a phone call with someone unless they know about it. So this very Youtube video could be thrown out as evidence.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
Sorry but it really does not, it only costs more because of security and other things that are billed up hugely and really are totally unnecessary.
How much does a bullet to the head cost?
And can you show me how many people are executed wrongly?
How about only those who are definitely guilty are executed, people who kill a little girl, rape and dump her body. They leave their seamen inside her, traces of the girls hair are found in his clothes, there is CCTV footage of him two streets from where the body is dumped etc. That is evidence that in my mind warrants the death penalty.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
What’s worse about this is, the statute of limitation might have run out on this, so the molester may not be able to be prosecuted for this crime.
She may be prosecuted if she did this more recently, but not in the case of Jamie Carrillo.
Also, there is a California law which states that you cannot record a phone call with someone unless they know about it. So this very Youtube video could be thrown out as evidence.
Fucking sickening. [/quote]
Unless the recording was made at the request of a cop the fact that it was gathered illegally by a civilian means there’s no 4th am. problem. Unless some Cal.-specific statute governs admissibility it should come in.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
What if they are wrongly convicted? Wrongful convictions are far more common than people realize. You can’t undo a death penalty…
It costs WAY more to kill a prisoner than is does to house them for the rest of their life. I have two thoughts on this:
Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot.
Death is too easy for these fuckers.[/quote]
It seems somewhat contradictory to post this: “What if they are wrongly convicted?”
along with this:
" 1) Put the rapists and child molesters in General Population instead of allowing them access to Punk City (protective custody) or;
B) Lock them in a fucking hole for the rest of their natural life. No contact with anyone. No TV. No library. Just sit and rot."
IMO, if two people are both convicted to 10 years in prison, they quality of their life while incarcerated should not be different based on what their crime was. Slippery slope to say the least.
You’re probably not being very serious with that statement though.
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Its also a line that anti death penalty people use in a biased argument. They say don’t kill them thats wrong because its horrible, instead let them rot in prison its worseâ?¦
So you are arguing against the death penalty but trying to convince others to be against it by pretending life is worse. It is a false arguments used to convince.Not based on actual belief ins hat they are saying.
Yeah, it’s a false dichotomy, but ask yourself this: What good does it do? Why do people have to be punished for things? What earthly good has it ever done? Ever? You can’t make people be nice. All you can do is keep them apart until such time as they’ve forgiven each other, forgot about the whole thing or otherwise got over the whole thing.
Which leads up to my point:
What is the good of going over old wounds? It’s not good to dwell on these things. You are not responsible for the trauma that other people have inflicted on you, and it’s not wise to assume responsibility for anything you can’t control.
Again, it’s an honest question. I’ve arrived at a time in my life where I just don’t know anymore, and carrying on regardless is the only thing that works. I know by experience though, that that makes you harder and colder. Who knows, really?
[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
Yeah, it’s a false dichotomy, but ask yourself this: What good does it do? Why do people have to be punished for things? What earthly good has it ever done? Ever? You can’t make people be nice. All you can do is keep them apart until such time as they’ve forgiven each other, forgot about the whole thing or otherwise got over the whole thing.
Because there is such a thing as right, wrong and the law. Not everyone can be nice? well I’m sure murdering someone isn’t nice and you can’t make anyone be nice or follow the law but there has to be consequences for people’s actions
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
Reasonable people make mistakes; cops lie; witnesses lie; and prosecutors lie. Evidence that looks airtight one day sometimes isn’t and is later proved to be absolutely false. The biggest problem with a death penalty is trying to undo a mistake.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
For people who are convicted beyond a shadow of a doubt, just hang them that same day. [/quote]
Reasonable people make mistakes; cops lie; witnesses lie; and prosecutors lie. Evidence that looks airtight one day sometimes isn’t and is later proved to be absolutely false. The biggest problem with a death penalty is trying to undo a mistake.
[quote]Der_Steppenwolfe wrote:
Yeah, it’s a false dichotomy, but ask yourself this: What good does it do? Why do people have to be punished for things? What earthly good has it ever done? Ever? You can’t make people be nice. All you can do is keep them apart until such time as they’ve forgiven each other, forgot about the whole thing or otherwise got over the whole thing.
Which leads up to my point:
What is the good of going over old wounds? It’s not good to dwell on these things. You are not responsible for the trauma that other people have inflicted on you, and it’s not wise to assume responsibility for anything you can’t control.
Again, it’s an honest question. I’ve arrived at a time in my life where I just don’t know anymore, and carrying on regardless is the only thing that works. I know by experience though, that that makes you harder and colder. Who knows, really?[/quote]
I’ve been questioned on this recently. I’ve heard arguments that it’s best to forgive, that ‘the best revenge is leading a good life’, and how you shouldn’t hold grudges and that you shouldn’t be angry about the past. To those people, I would show them this video and say ‘Tell that to this girl.’
Justice is personal. If you do not believe in a higher power, then justice, one would hope, is meted out through the legal system and other human beings, and only exists because we as a society says it exists.
Crimes and transgressions should not go unpunished. Whether it discourages or prevents future problems is arguable. But my personal sense of justice says that the people who wrong you should pay in some way. ‘Lead a good life’ might be a fitting quote to put on bodies of victims, like a calling card of a serial rapist or comic supervillan. ‘Lead a good life’ or forgiveness should never lead to a lighter sentence or acquittal. The victim has a right to justice.
