Death Penalty

Saw this story on the AP and thought this would be something to share. Is anybody on this forum anti D/P.

FYI - Vengence is the Lord’s but sometimes he subcontracts (was posted by a commentator on the article).

Utah firing squad executes convicted killer

DRAPER, Utah â?? A death row inmate who had used a gun to fatally shoot two men suffered the same fate Friday morning as he was executed by a team of marksmen â?? the first time Utah used the firing squad to carry out a death sentence in 14 years.

A barrage of bullets tore into Ronnie Lee Gardner’s chest where a target was pinned over his heart. Two minutes later an ashen Gardner, blood pooling in his dark blue jumpsuit, was pronounced dead at 12:17 a.m.

He was the third man to die by firing squad since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated capital punishment in 1976.

Unlike Gary Gilmore, who famously uttered the last words “Let’s do it” on Jan. 17, 1977, Gardner could muster few words before a black hood was fastened over his head. Asked if he had anything to say during the two minutes afforded him, Gardner said simply, “I do not, no.”

The five executioners, certified police officers who volunteered for the task and remain anonymous, stood about 25 feet away, behind a wall cut with a gunport, and were armed with matching .30-caliber Winchester rifles. One was loaded with a blank so no one knows who fired the fatal shot. Sandbags stacked behind Gardner’s chair kept the bullets from ricocheting around the cinderblock room.

Utah Department of Corrections Director Thomas Patterson said the countdown cadence went “5-4-3…” with the shooters starting to fire at the count of 2.

Gardner’s arm tensed and jerked back when he was hit. As the medical examiner checked for vital signs the hood was pulled back, revealing that Gardner’s head was tilted back and to the right, his mouth slightly open.

“I don’t agree with what he done or what they done but I’m relieved he’s free,” said Gardner’s brother, Randy Gardner, after the execution. “He’s had a rough life. He’s been incarcerated and in chains his whole damn life, now he’s free. I’m happy he’s free, just sad the way he went.”

The execution was witnessed by media representatives who are separated from witnesses for the victims or the condemned in rooms on opposite ends of the execution chamber behind reflective glass so they can’t be seen.

Gardner walked willingly to his execution, a stark contrast to the fatal escape attempt he undertook 25 years ago that resulted in his death sentence.

Gardner was sentenced to death after being convicted of murder in 1985 for the fatal courthouse shooting of attorney Michael Burdell during a failed escape attempt. Gardner was at the Salt Lake City court facing a murder charge in the shooting death of a bartender, Melvyn Otterstrom when he took a gun smuggled into him and he shot Burdell in the face as the attorney hid behind a door in the chaotic courthouse.

The execution process was set in motion in March when the U.S. Supreme Court rejected a request from Gardner’s attorney to review the case. On April 23, state court Judge Robin Reese signed a warrant ordering the state to carry out the death sentence.

At that hearing, Gardner politely declared, “I would like the firing squad, please.”

He told his lawyer he did it because he preferred to die that way. Gardner was allowed to choose between the firing squad and lethal injection because he was sentenced to death before Utah eliminated the firing squad as an option in 2004. State officials did not like the negative publicity fire squad executions generated.

Gardner, 49, chose his manner of death and then worked furiously with his lawyers to prevent it. They filed petitions with state and federal courts, asked a Utah parole board to commute his sentence to life in prison without parole, and finally unsuccessfully appealed to Utah Gov. Gary Herbert and the U.S. Supreme Court.

Gardner’s attorneys argued the jury that sentenced him to death in 1985 heard no mitigating evidence that might have led them to instead impose a life sentence. Gardner’s life was marked by early drug addiction, physical and sexual abuse and possible brain damage, court records show.

They also argued he could not get a “fair and impartial hearing” before Utah’s Board of Pardons and Parole because lawyers that represent the board work for the Utah attorney general’s office, which sought his death warrant and argued against the board commuting Gardner’s death sentence

The firing squad has been Utah’s most-used form of capital punishment. Of the 49 executions held in the state since the 1850s, 40 were by firing squad.

John Albert Taylor, who raped and strangled an 11-year-old girl, was the last person executed by firing squad on Jan. 26, 1996.

Historians say the method stems from 19th Century doctrine of the state’s predominant religion. Early members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believed in the concept of “blood atonement” â?? that only through spilling one’s own blood could a condemned person adequately atone for their crimes and be redeemed in the next life. The church no longer preaches such teachings and offers no opinion on the use of the firing squad.

Gardner, who once described himself as a “nasty little bugger” with a mean streak, spent his last day sleeping, reading the novel “Divine Justice,” watching the “Lord of the Rings” film trilogy and meeting with his attorneys and a bishop with the Mormon church. A prison spokesman said officers described his mood as relaxed. He had eaten his last requested meal â?? steak, lobster tail, apple pie, vanilla ice cream and 7UP â?? two days earlier.

Members of his family gathered outside the prison, some wearing T-shirts displaying his prisoner number, 14873. None witnessed the execution, at Gardner’s request.

“He didn’t want nobody to see him get shot,” Randy Gardner said. “I would have liked to be there for him. I love him to death. He’s my little brother.”

The American Civil Liberties Union decried Gardner’s execution as an example of what it called the United States’ “barbaric, arbitrary and bankrupting practice of capital punishment.” And religious leaders called for an end to the death penalty at an interfaith vigil in Salt Lake City on Thursday evening.

“Murdering the murderer doesn’t create justice or settle any score,” said Rev. Tom Goldsmith of the First Unitarian Church.

Burdell’s family opposes the death penalty and asked for Gardner’s life to be spared.

But Otterstrom’s family lobbied the parole board against Gardner’s request for clemency and a reduced sentence.

George “Nick” Kirk, was a bailiff at the courthouse the day of Gardner’s botched escape. Shot and wounded in the lower abdomen, Kirk suffered chronic health problems the rest of his life.

Kirk’s daughter, Tami Stewart, said before the execution she believed Gardner’s death would bring her family some closure.

“I think at that moment, he will feel that fear that his victims felt,” she said.

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a fitting end

Wow. He actually picked the firing squad. That takes some cojones.

Let’s just say that there were not many people around here that wanted that waste of space to take one more breath.

He was evil, and now he is dead.

Fuck that guy.

I wish that all D/P protesters were individually taxed to pay for the cost of lifetime, high security incarceration.

I’m not going to argue death penalty vs life in prison because I kinda believe in both, haha. But, firing squad is the only way to go out in my book.

I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

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Here is the best idea to deter murder, rape, and other horendious crimes against humanity. You have a one room jail cell with a chair in the middle of it. If you have been proven to have committed the crime including DNA and multiple eye witnesses including video footage then you sit in the chair. When someone does the next crime you are taken out of the chair and executed. The next person takes the chair in the middle of the room and then the cycle starts again. I know it is not perfect, but this would be a deterent.

The issue with execution not working today because there is way too long of a waiting period between the crime and the punishment. As we have seen above it took 25 years. You still get to live, not a great life because prison sucks, but you get to live. I have been in a maximum security prison with the general population. You want to talk about scarry. It was the prison that the guy know for the movie Texas Chainsaw Masacre was being held. I was there singing and we had 5 guys and 5 girls. They made us guys walk between the prisoners and the girls to get to the chapel. You want to talk about a tense moment. Yes there were guards around, but the inmates out numbered us 2 to 1.

Sorry I digressed. my point is that the governement needs to shorten the time between the crime and the punishment. This will make it a better deterent.

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

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People that take another human beings life deserve to die themselves…/done.

Why should the public be forced to pay to keep this scum alive for the next 40 years??

I don’t want to pay for that shit…do you?

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

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People that take another human beings life deserve to die themselves…/done.

Why should the public be forced to pay to keep this scum alive for the next 40 years??

I don’t want to pay for that shit…do you?[/quote]

Nope. That’s why I said I supported the death penalty. My point I made after that was that some people see the death penalty as some sort of deterrent against crime. It may be for some, but it will not be for others. I teach in an area where plenty of people have and will serve time in prison. It doesn’t and won’t deter them from breaking further laws. You can execute a criminal for murder, rape, etc., but I just doubt that most that will committ those crimes will be deterred by the possibility of being put to death.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

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Here is the best idea to deter murder, rape, and other horendious crimes against humanity. You have a one room jail cell with a chair in the middle of it. If you have been proven to have committed the crime including DNA and multiple eye witnesses including video footage then you sit in the chair. When someone does the next crime you are taken out of the chair and executed. The next person takes the chair in the middle of the room and then the cycle starts again. I know it is not perfect, but this would be a deterent.

The issue with execution not working today because there is way too long of a waiting period between the crime and the punishment. As we have seen above it took 25 years. You still get to live, not a great life because prison sucks, but you get to live. I have been in a maximum security prison with the general population. You want to talk about scarry. It was the prison that the guy know for the movie Texas Chainsaw Masacre was being held. I was there singing and we had 5 guys and 5 girls. They made us guys walk between the prisoners and the girls to get to the chapel. You want to talk about a tense moment. Yes there were guards around, but the inmates out numbered us 2 to 1.

Sorry I digressed. my point is that the governement needs to shorten the time between the crime and the punishment. This will make it a better deterent. [/quote]

Well, if anyone could really find the sure bet deterrent for crime then I hope they let us know. I know the current prison/legal system is far too lenient on criminals. Some are seriously too worried about a criminals rights. I don’t think a prisoner should be tortured or anything. I just believe that they should serve their time. I think that Atkins that was in the Manson family who was denied parole even though she was dying from cancer is a good example of what should be expected. She committed a heinous crime so should serve her time regardless of her current conditions.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Let’s just say that there were not many people around here that wanted that waste of space to take one more breath.

He was evil, and now he is dead.

Fuck that guy.

I wish that all D/P protesters were individually taxed to pay for the cost of lifetime, high security incarceration.[/quote]

It cost less than killing a man.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Let’s just say that there were not many people around here that wanted that waste of space to take one more breath.

He was evil, and now he is dead.

Fuck that guy.

I wish that all D/P protesters were individually taxed to pay for the cost of lifetime, high security incarceration.[/quote]

Also the death penalty is always on the table for any kind of disregard for any law no matter how small.

I went to jail for soliciting without a license, thankfully I had money in my wallet to bail me and my partner out and they didn’t come after me while serving a “arrest warrant.” Yes, this man committed a heinous crime, but as we have seen a bag of weed can lead to killed dogs, children, &c and they received the death penalty for small things without even going to trial or even being suspected.

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

[/quote]

Here is the best idea to deter murder, rape, and other horendious crimes against humanity. You have a one room jail cell with a chair in the middle of it. If you have been proven to have committed the crime including DNA and multiple eye witnesses including video footage then you sit in the chair. When someone does the next crime you are taken out of the chair and executed. The next person takes the chair in the middle of the room and then the cycle starts again. I know it is not perfect, but this would be a deterent.

The issue with execution not working today because there is way too long of a waiting period between the crime and the punishment. As we have seen above it took 25 years. You still get to live, not a great life because prison sucks, but you get to live. I have been in a maximum security prison with the general population. You want to talk about scarry. It was the prison that the guy know for the movie Texas Chainsaw Masacre was being held. I was there singing and we had 5 guys and 5 girls. They made us guys walk between the prisoners and the girls to get to the chapel. You want to talk about a tense moment. Yes there were guards around, but the inmates out numbered us 2 to 1.

Sorry I digressed. my point is that the governement needs to shorten the time between the crime and the punishment. This will make it a better deterent. [/quote]

Well, if anyone could really find the sure bet deterrent for crime then I hope they let us know. I know the current prison/legal system is far too lenient on criminals. Some are seriously too worried about a criminals rights. I don’t think a prisoner should be tortured or anything. I just believe that they should serve their time. I think that Atkins that was in the Manson family who was denied parole even though she was dying from cancer is a good example of what should be expected. She committed a heinous crime so should serve her time regardless of her current conditions.[/quote]

Lenient? What the shower stall rapes, the beatings from the guards, the obnoxious gas dropped on inmates because someone is not being subordinate? What would you rather happen?

What about the fear that you live with of upsetting the guards and being in danger of other inmates and the pressure to join prison gangs to watch your back?

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
I support the death penalty, but I don’t think it’s the be all end all of law enforcement. I honestly don’t think it’s going to prevent crime by scaring criminals into not wanting it. Afterall, some people serve time in prison and still continue to break laws. They most likely won’t be deterred by the death penalty. However, it will eliminate criminals once they have broken some laws.

The guy that killed Jessica Lunsford was sentenced to death after her murder but never really did anything to warrant the death penalty before that. I seriously doubt he would have been scared off of murdering her had he known he would receive the death penalty. I can’t speak for the guy in Utah either.

[/quote]

Here is the best idea to deter murder, rape, and other horendious crimes against humanity. You have a one room jail cell with a chair in the middle of it. If you have been proven to have committed the crime including DNA and multiple eye witnesses including video footage then you sit in the chair. When someone does the next crime you are taken out of the chair and executed. The next person takes the chair in the middle of the room and then the cycle starts again. I know it is not perfect, but this would be a deterent.

The issue with execution not working today because there is way too long of a waiting period between the crime and the punishment. As we have seen above it took 25 years. You still get to live, not a great life because prison sucks, but you get to live. I have been in a maximum security prison with the general population. You want to talk about scarry. It was the prison that the guy know for the movie Texas Chainsaw Masacre was being held. I was there singing and we had 5 guys and 5 girls. They made us guys walk between the prisoners and the girls to get to the chapel. You want to talk about a tense moment. Yes there were guards around, but the inmates out numbered us 2 to 1.

Sorry I digressed. my point is that the governement needs to shorten the time between the crime and the punishment. This will make it a better deterent. [/quote]

Well, if anyone could really find the sure bet deterrent for crime then I hope they let us know. I know the current prison/legal system is far too lenient on criminals. Some are seriously too worried about a criminals rights. I don’t think a prisoner should be tortured or anything. I just believe that they should serve their time. I think that Atkins that was in the Manson family who was denied parole even though she was dying from cancer is a good example of what should be expected. She committed a heinous crime so should serve her time regardless of her current conditions.[/quote]

Lenient? What the shower stall rapes, the beatings from the guards, the obnoxious gas dropped on inmates because someone is not being subordinate? What would you rather happen?

What about the fear that you live with of upsetting the guards and being in danger of other inmates and the pressure to join prison gangs to watch your back? [/quote]

Dangers from the other prisoners and gangs? I don’t see how this has anything to do with the legal system. If someone wants to participate in criminal activity then I guess they need to learn to live with criminals. If you feel differently, then let a convict come live in your house or in your neighborhood.

I have the perfect solution - prison island - just drop them off - prefereably an island way out in the middle of the Pacific. If they survive - good for them, if not - oh well. Don’t break the law . . . :slight_smile:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I have the perfect solution - prison island - just drop them off - prefereably an island way out in the middle of the Pacific. If they survive - good for them, if not - oh well. Don’t break the law . . . :)[/quote]

That would be awesome!.And just for a giggle or two drop a daisy cutter on their heads every couple years to cull it down a little.

I would also support a star chamber system.

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I have the perfect solution - prison island - just drop them off - prefereably an island way out in the middle of the Pacific. If they survive - good for them, if not - oh well. Don’t break the law . . . :)[/quote]

OOOhhhh - And we could have cameras on the island. Real Reality TV.

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I have the perfect solution - prison island - just drop them off - prefereably an island way out in the middle of the Pacific. If they survive - good for them, if not - oh well. Don’t break the law . . . :)[/quote]

OOOhhhh - And we could have cameras on the island. Real Reality TV.[/quote]

Death Race!

[quote]ron22 wrote:

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
I have the perfect solution - prison island - just drop them off - prefereably an island way out in the middle of the Pacific. If they survive - good for them, if not - oh well. Don’t break the law . . . :)[/quote]

OOOhhhh - And we could have cameras on the island. Real Reality TV.[/quote]

Death Race!

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Perfect!

WoW.

Didn’t Britain alrady try this with Australia?