The Fat People... Are They for Real?

Disclaimer: All of my opinions are based off of observation of society and the words ‘mostly’ ‘usually’ and other adverbs are used with no other factual backing then my own experiences.

[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Devils advocate here, but do you guys have the same hatred towards people who are alcoholics, or drug addicts? Similar to obesity, it is very hard to get sober or ‘thinner’. Imagine if you were 250 pounds of fat… no muscle, no cardiovascular… getting up a flight of stairs might give you a heart-attack.

Obesity is really a shitty situation because not only is it extremely unhealthy like drug addiction, there is a huge social stigma because you can’t hide the fact that you are fat.
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This is exactly what makes the obese so different from drug addicts (ill include alcoholics here as it is basically a drug).

People who are on drugs are usually impaired to the point where when they see themselves in the mirror, they appear as normal people (and i can justify this because i know ALOT of drug addicts) Drug users become drug addicts in a flash, one day your just dabbling, a month later your sniffing lines off the top of a toilet.

Throughout the course of this change, the user is usually too impaired by the drugs to realize what is happening to him/her. Food does not impair your judgement. You dont get high and not realize what your doing after you eat a donut.

I find it hard to believe people get fat without realizing it. How do you not notice your clothes getting tighter, and that giant gut protruding out from under your tshirt?[quote]

How do people get there in the first place? That is what needs to be addressed the most. I think parents should be held accountable for how they raise their kids.

If you are buying liters of soda, not cooking for your family, and letting your children spend all day on their asses playing video games, you are a destroying your children’s chances of living a healthy life. That is borderline child-abuse and neglect in my opinion.[/quote]

Ill agree with you here. A majority of obese people most likely learn bad eating habits and neglect for physical health from there parents. These parents also (mostly in the extreme cases) have some underlying mental issues suffered in there own childhood that causes them to spoil there children.

You know the parents im talking about. They’re the parents in wal-mart being drug around by the “im a little boss” child with a shopping cart full of shit they dont need, all because they are afraid to say no, and when they do say no to something, the child throws a hissy fit and causes a scene.

I really believe it comes down to a lack of disciplining children in todays society. In our parents (or grandparents for some of us) day, acting like that would have meant one thing, an ass-whooping. Children today do not fear there parents.

I know im going to catch some heat for this, but a child who is spanked, even if its only once or twice in the early years, lives with a certain respect for his/her parents. You know that when they say no, they mean no and thats that.

Generation after generation of these children raised in this increasingly liberal hippy non violent, be your childs friend bullshit become more and more spoiled, immature and impatient. Impatience breads obesity.

Taken from : http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/14/earlyshow/living/parenting/main617562.shtml

Really? I learned respect early, and when my parents spoke, I listened.

[quote]Class_0f_2009 wrote:

fuck u bro u jus jealous that im bigger and stronger than u! LOL! homo![/quote]

ahhh i get it now

<-------- wasn’t aware that being obese didn’t qualify as a health issue in and of itself.

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.

Posting in what will be an epic thread
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x2

[quote]Makavali wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.

Posting in what will be an epic thread

x2[/quote]

what? is legendaryblaze going to start a hate thread about dumber posters now? And how creepy he has been stalking me for years.

monster.

and to clarify for the idiot, I wasn’t objecting to the subject matter, it was the plethora of same type threads.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Makavali wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.

Posting in what will be an epic thread

x2

what? is legendaryblaze going to start a hate thread about dumber posters now? And how creepy he has been stalking me for years.

monster.

and to clarify for the idiot, I wasn’t objecting to the subject matter, it was the plethora of same type threads.

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Stalking you? I said reading your posts. When someone posts in a thread i am viewing, i tend to read what they write. It was meant to say that i am not a newcomer and not lashing out at you randomly.

Thank you for pointing out that we’ve had alot of these threads lately. If it wasn’t for your acute observational skills, i don’t think any of us would have realized it!

We’re on a body building/power lifting website, it’s only fucking normal that threads are going to revolve around the same handful of topics.

Here’s an idea, next time someone posts about gun laws, Obama or Iran in the politics sub-forum, make sure to make a post stating

"wow another post about Iran/Obama/guns

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around"

Go back to posting in SAMA and sucking off rainjack cause he reminds you of yo’ pop-ah.

You have a nice ass btw FAP FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Makavali wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.

Posting in what will be an epic thread

x2

what? is legendaryblaze going to start a hate thread about dumber posters now? And how creepy he has been stalking me for years.

monster.

and to clarify for the idiot, I wasn’t objecting to the subject matter, it was the plethora of same type threads.

Stalking you? I said reading your posts. When someone posts in a thread i am viewing, i tend to read what they write. It was meant to say that i am not a newcomer and not lashing out at you randomly.

Thank you for pointing out that we’ve had alot of these threads lately. If it wasn’t for your acute observational skills, i don’t think any of us would have realized it!

We’re on a body building/power lifting website, it’s only fucking normal that threads are going to revolve around the same handful of topics.

Here’s an idea, next time someone posts about gun laws, Obama or Iran in the politics sub-forum, make sure to make a post stating

"wow another post about Iran/Obama/guns

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around"

Go back to posting in SAMA and sucking off rainjack cause he reminds you of yo’ pop-ah.

You have a nice ass btw FAP FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP.
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yeah… you have spent way too much time reading my posts, creepy
if you spent any time in PWI you would know that “wow another abortion, gun control, obama thread” is said quite a bit. Or in Supplements way too many carb cyling, are eggs bad for you, what protein powder is best, threads.

who cares if you are a newcomer or not? You are just another loser 2009 joiner.
Probably some high school kid with anger issues.
If you’ve got any other personal insults to hurl at me, feel free to PM me so we don’t hijack the thread with your schoolyard leg humping.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
speakman wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
BLAH BLAH
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Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…

Want a cookie?
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Go back and read my post CAREFULLY… I think you misunderstood what I was saying…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:

Re-read your own post and you’ll see you are the one who used the term “subculture.” And you were right the first time. Not everyone who has sex is into hardcore BDS. And everyone talks about BDS… at least in the plant where I work…

What? Bodybuilding is a “sub-culture” also but I am pretty sure there are quite a few people on the planet that are into building their bodies up who follow bodybuilding. That doesn’t change the fact that we don’t know how many of these people exist so acting like they are so few in number makes no sense.

You don’t know how many there are just like I don’t. For all you know, 80% of the morbidly obese people on the planet may view getting fatter as their sexual fetish. Why pretend like the majority need sympathy when this could equally NOT be the case?[/quote]

I was fat and I can assure you I didn’t view it in a positive sexual light. My chubby co-workers rolled their eyes at your suspicions about them when I brought it up at work.

Where did you get that I was asking for sympathy for fat people?

I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy.

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Makavali wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Stalking you? I said reading your posts. When someone posts in a thread i am viewing, i tend to read what they write. It was meant to say that i am not a newcomer and not lashing out at you randomly.

Thank you for pointing out that we’ve had alot of these threads lately. If it wasn’t for your acute observational skills, i don’t think any of us would have realized it!

We’re on a body building/power lifting website, it’s only fucking normal that threads are going to revolve around the same handful of topics.

Here’s an idea, next time someone posts about gun laws, Obama or Iran in the politics sub-forum, make sure to make a post stating

"wow another post about Iran/Obama/guns

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around"

Go back to posting in SAMA and sucking off rainjack cause he reminds you of yo’ pop-ah.

You have a nice ass btw FAP FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP.
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While the FAPs were a nice touch, thats no way to talk to a lady, be it on the internet or in real life. You also need to learn to pick and choose your battles son, as if you want to get anywhere in life, youre going to need to know when you should lash out with vulgarity and verbal abuse, and when to just ignore people.

Did that post about a trend in recent threads make any personal attacks on you? Did the post make you look bad or really even offend you? I certainly dont think it did, so why embarrass yourself with childish banter for no reason? Now i know right now your thinking ‘man this guy called me out imma gonna flame him good’, and as this is a free internet forum you have every right to do so.

Im sure a couple of other like minded individuals will posts some LOLs, just be sure to think about what I said next time you cuss at home and mommy sits you in the corner with a bar of soap in your mouth.

[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:

I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy. [/quote]

I am not defending fat people here, as I am usually the first one to shake the rack of plates when a fat person walks into my restaurant. However, human beings have a tendency to fear that which we do not understand. This trait is clear throughout our history as we have strived to abolish all people, cultures, religious practices, and other things to which we are ignorant.

As we in the ‘fit’ community spend the greater part of our lives focused on our physical health, and striving through all means possible to achieve our athletic goals, its hard for us to grasp the idea of being okay with being fat. Thus our own insecurities lead us to lash out at that which we do not understand.

Ironically, I am completely grossed out by that cottage cheese looking fat that you see on thighs and asses. I have a “chunky” friend who thinks its funny to hike up his shorts and chase after me.

Turns me right into a little bitching screaming and running away man that shit is so nasty. It just wiggles and jiggles, and not the good kinda of wiggle and jiggle like other fat-based bodily appendages, the bad kind of wiggle and jiggle like that beet-flavored jello mold your aunt sends you.

[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:

I was fat and I can assure you I didn’t view it in a positive sexual light. My chubby co-workers rolled their eyes at your suspicions about them when I brought it up at work.[/quote]

Wait…you brought up obesity as a sexual fetish at work and thought someone into that would not only freely admit it AT WORK, but you apparently singled out the morbidly obese co-workers you presently have to ask them this?

Wow, lady.

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Where did you get that I was asking for sympathy for fat people?

I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy. [/quote]

Stay out of their business? If I’m in the health field, isn’t their health part of my business? How am I all in their business by making an observation in public? I already wrote that I do not hate obese people, however, their actions are illogical unless they want to remain obese. Why defend those actions as if they make sense?

[quote]Champ1989 wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Makavali wrote:
detazathoth wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

Stalking you? I said reading your posts. When someone posts in a thread i am viewing, i tend to read what they write. It was meant to say that i am not a newcomer and not lashing out at you randomly.

Thank you for pointing out that we’ve had alot of these threads lately. If it wasn’t for your acute observational skills, i don’t think any of us would have realized it!

We’re on a body building/power lifting website, it’s only fucking normal that threads are going to revolve around the same handful of topics.

Here’s an idea, next time someone posts about gun laws, Obama or Iran in the politics sub-forum, make sure to make a post stating

"wow another post about Iran/Obama/guns

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around"

Go back to posting in SAMA and sucking off rainjack cause he reminds you of yo’ pop-ah.

You have a nice ass btw FAP FAPFAPFAPFAPFAP.

While the FAPs were a nice touch, thats no way to talk to a lady, be it on the internet or in real life. You also need to learn to pick and choose your battles son, as if you want to get anywhere in life, youre going to need to know when you should lash out with vulgarity and verbal abuse, and when to just ignore people. Did that post about a trend in recent threads make any personal attacks on you?

Did the post make you look bad or really even offend you? I certainly dont think it did, so why embarrass yourself with childish banter for no reason? Now i know right now your thinking ‘man this guy called me out imma gonna flame him good’, and as this is a free internet forum you have every right to do so. Im sure a couple of other like minded individuals will posts some LOLs, just be sure to think about what I said next time you cuss at home and mommy sits you in the corner with a bar of soap in your mouth. [/quote]

Sir, i have no quarrels with you. Please stfu. I had an old account and left for a bit and i cant access it. I have a problem with October girl because of a discussion we had on PM. My anger is warranted.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:

I was fat and I can assure you I didn’t view it in a positive sexual light. My chubby co-workers rolled their eyes at your suspicions about them when I brought it up at work.

Wait…you brought up obesity as a sexual fetish at work and thought someone into that would not only freely admit it AT WORK, but you apparently singled out the morbidly obese co-workers you presently have to ask them this?

Wow, lady.

Where did you get that I was asking for sympathy for fat people?

I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy.

Stay out of their business? If I’m in the health field, isn’t their health part of my business? How am I all in their business by making an observation in public? I already wrote that I do not hate obese people, however, their actions are illogical unless they want to remain obese. Why defend those actions as if they make sense?[/quote]

uh, your a doctor and it’s never once occurred to you that some people may just be fat/obese from taking medicinal steroids??? my friend was on prednisone on and off for a long period of time due to asthma when he was young and he gained a crapload of weight because of it, so its not always about how much cake or donuts they’re stuffing their faces with.

I don’t think anybody here fears fat people. That doesn’t make them any less disgusting and simultaneously funny though.

[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
As one of the formerly fat I’d like to tackle this one.

Cruelty comes from fear. All of society has a vested interest in having a handy group (or groups) of people to pummel because as long as Those Guys are the freaks and we don’t look or act like Them we’re safe.

By forcing everyone to focus on fat people (or gay people, or green people… whatever) we cautiously steer attention away from us and all our weird little faults and deflect all the negativity onto The Freaks. They’re our scapegoats.

And if you surround yourself with nothing but people doing the same thing you reinforce your own sense of righteousness in what your doing. Except that tearing others down to build yourself up is mean, wrong, and cowardly. COWARDLY.

Do you have a mother who’s loved you and been good to you all your life? A wonderful woman who’s never hurt another living soul? A mother who’s fat? How are you going to feel when an obnoxious bunch of terrified, self-loathing punks at the mall decide to make this woman you love a target? They don’t even KNOW her. People are not their uniforms.

If you get off on negatively objectifying people you may fool your buds and they may think you’re cool but look outside your circle and you’ll see hardly nobody else is fooled. Cowardice is tough to hide. At my absolute fattest I felt bad for all those judgmental, cliquish busybody people; ruled into submission by their peers. At my absolute fattest, nobody controlled me - and I feared nothing.
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Nice reposte!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy.

Stay out of their business? If I’m in the health field, isn’t their health part of my business? How am I all in their business by making an observation in public? I already wrote that I do not hate obese people, however, their actions are illogical unless they want to remain obese. Why defend those actions as if they make sense?[/quote]

And wasn’t there all this self-righteous, morally-dictating crap from a fat person telling doctors how they should do their business? Don’t weigh me, don’t tell me to diet, don’t tell me I need to lose weight to alleviate or even solve my medical conditions, you need to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get wider chairs in the waiting room, etc?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:

I was fat and I can assure you I didn’t view it in a positive sexual light. My chubby co-workers rolled their eyes at your suspicions about them when I brought it up at work.

Wait…you brought up obesity as a sexual fetish at work and thought someone into that would not only freely admit it AT WORK, but you apparently singled out the morbidly obese co-workers you presently have to ask them this?

Wow, lady.

Where did you get that I was asking for sympathy for fat people?

I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy.

Stay out of their business? If I’m in the health field, isn’t their health part of my business? How am I all in their business by making an observation in public? I already wrote that I do not hate obese people, however, their actions are illogical unless they want to remain obese. Why defend those actions as if they make sense?[/quote]

Your last sentence is the one that is not-debatable. Why defend actions that are not logical. Would you buy drugs for an addict who can’t beat the addiction too? Would you buy condoms for your child simply because they have so much peer pressure that they might as well just do it but “be safe?”

We do people no justice when you cater to their addiction, and if they are not truly ready to be it, then there is no help for them. You are easing their pain.

People have gotten soft in today’s society, and I mean that in more than just a physical way. No one wants to live in reality, it’s always about making excuses. No one like the hard anymore.

[quote]O Doyle_Rulez wrote:

uh, your a doctor and it’s never once occurred to you that some people may just be fat/obese from taking medicinal steroids??? my friend was on prednisone on and off for a long period of time due to asthma when he was young and he gained a crapload of weight because of it, so its not always about how much cake or donuts they’re stuffing their faces with.[/quote]

Do you realize that patients are asked several times during treatment about their medical histories where their medicines taken are listed? The majority of the obese people I have treated in the past 6 or 7 years have NOT been on corticosteroids for asthma or for any other reason. The majority of them do seem to have diabetes and are taking insulin along with high blood pressure medication.

Not only that, but how many times have I written in this thread about medical conditions? Do you think the majority of MORBIDLY OBESE people are all on corticosteroids?

I mean, you must think that in order to write what you did as if medical offices around the country are being filled with obese people all because of asthma and allergy treatment.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
I was merely asking that you and your like-minded friends stay out of their business. Fat people are not thinking of you (too much to keep them occupied, evidently), yet a segment of the fit community (of which you seem a part) appear downright obsessed with them. And by “them” I mean, in most cases, complete strangers. It’s bizarre and creepy.

Stay out of their business? If I’m in the health field, isn’t their health part of my business? How am I all in their business by making an observation in public? I already wrote that I do not hate obese people, however, their actions are illogical unless they want to remain obese. Why defend those actions as if they make sense?

And wasn’t there all this self-righteous, morally-dictating crap from a fat person telling doctors how they should do their business? Don’t weigh me, don’t tell me to diet, don’t tell me I need to lose weight to alleviate or even solve my medical conditions, you need to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get wider chairs in the waiting room, etc?
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Exactly. I was responding to that letter that stated doctors should have extra large seats in their offices for people who are twice as large as a normal person. It is apparently OK for obese people to tell their doctor to ignore their physical condition so that it makes them feel better…but God forbid a doctor ask why someone who is approaching 350lbs is still stuffing baby back ribs down their throat.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
O Doyle_Rulez wrote:

uh, your a doctor and it’s never once occurred to you that some people may just be fat/obese from taking medicinal steroids??? my friend was on prednisone on and off for a long period of time due to asthma when he was young and he gained a crapload of weight because of it, so its not always about how much cake or donuts they’re stuffing their faces with.

Do you realize that patients are asked several times during treatment about their medical histories where their medicines taken are listed? The majority of the obese people I have treated in the past 6 or 7 years have NOT been on corticosteroids for asthma or for any other reason. The majority of them do seem to have diabetes and are taking insulin along with high blood pressure medication.

Not only that, but how many times have I written in this thread about medical conditions? Do you think the majority of MORBIDLY OBESE people are all on corticosteroids?

I mean, you must think that in order to write what you did as if medical offices around the country are being filled with obese people all because of asthma and allergy treatment.[/quote]

In any case they dont make one fat. I have had to take courses of corticosteroids for other reasons in the past more than once. It does reduce muscle mass and strength unfortunately, and it can make body composition favor fat - but to get obese on them requires those donuts all the same.

i can see how being on them a long time and not adjusting eating or activity to account for the composition changes could lead to incremental fat gains and have sympathy for this, but not somehow lead to ‘accidental’ obesity of the “oops, i woke up with morning and weigh 500lbs” type.

The “fat acceptance” thing is kind of ironic because the real fat acceptance is their own.

Yeah, it can be hard to lose fat.

But it is NOT hard, especially when already fat, to hold the line.

Every fat person that is now 350 lb, for example, had a time when they were in the high 290s and had never passed that.

They ACCEPTED the idea of going past 300.

It would not have been hard to hold the line.

But at some point they decided, “300 lb… okay, I’ll go with that.”

There was a time when they owned no pants larger than say size 48, and some still fit. They might have been getting a little tight, but it would have been really easy to just cut down moderately for a week or two and have them comfortable again.

But no, the idea of those size 50 pants was just too appealing. “Size 50… okay, I’ll go with that.”

So they went and bought size 50. They were OK with being that. And then with 52, 54, etc…

It takes being OK with it to go buy clothes bigger than you’ve ever bought before when that is in fact never necessary, when already overly large due to overfatness.