[quote]Therizza wrote:
Prof, you should do standup. I think your act would be hilarious. I’m serious.[/quote]
I would suck. How many comedians have you seen that look like bodybuilders besides that dude that played Brutha-man on Martin? Nobody wants to hear a routine about BenGay application and farts in the gym. The Apollo would sick that fucking clown on me the moment I opened up with, “I just flew into New York…and boy are my lats PUMPED.”
well ok
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Apollo would sick that fucking clown on me the moment I opened up with, “I just flew into New York…and boy are my lats PUMPED.”[/quote]
not gonna lie, i’m probably going to start saying that a lot and claiming it as my own.
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
speakman wrote:
Funny to see all the stereotype stuff flying around here: “Fat people are lazy.” “Fat people think they’re victims.” “Fat people try to claim special rights.” Etc… I would bet there’s an inverse relationship between a person’s age and his/her tendency to over-stereotype other people.
Translation: It’s the younger guys that have it all figured out!! Or at least think they do… (oops, did I just stereotype?)
That said, chronically overweight people tend to get on my nerves a little, too. Mainly because I’m an FFB myself, and it gets annoying to see people go year after year after year deceiving themselves into thinking/hoping that there’s a silver bullet or magic pill out there for their weight problem. There isn’t.
And then there are the yo-yo people: They actually lose weight, look and feel better, and then a couple of months later the weight is back on, sometimes more than before. I have one friend who is the most committed, hardcore guy there is when it comes to losing weight.
He can diet and exercise off 100 pounds and so impress the community that he’s asked to teach classes and give talks. He’s good at dropping weight like this because he’s done it at least half a dozen times in the ten years that I’ve known him. I don’t even know where he is in the brutal cycle at the moment: losing his 100 pounds or putting it back on…
As for me, I’ve been guilty of all of the above. I was in pretty good shape (though not much muscle; just low BF) when I met my wife. After we got married, we both had a ten-year honeymoon with each other and with Dairy Queen. Then I’d had enough (of Dairy Queen, not my wife), so I went to work trying to figure out how to get healthy.
For the first few years, it was just solving the amazing riddle of losing the fat (which turned out not to be a riddle at all, but “eat healthy and exercise” just doesn’t sink in easily once one makes it to 250 pounds of pure fat). For the last few years, my focus has been on adding muscle.
An equally staggering challenge for me, and, again, because I tend to over-complicate things. Really, I only very, very recently figured out that I actually need to eat MORE if I want to add muscle!! Imagine that…
But here’s the interesting thing: In the midst of all of this (getting terribly fat; taking forever to figure out how to undo the damage; spending several years more just trying to get a simple plan for adding muscle; etc.)
I was going to school and earning a 4.0 GPA and a Master’s degree in international business; I was building a very successful business that hasn’t even really been hurt by this current economy; and engaging in all sorts of other VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING intellectual pursuits. I don’t think anyone has ever called me lazy, except me, and I’ve never been a victim of anything except myself.
I was lazy physically for awhile there – actually, more irresponsible than lazy, and choosing to focus my efforts and energy on non-physical things.
Now, I’m miraculously applying my energy and efforts to both areas: intellectual and physical. It can – and should – be done!! How many people do the reverse of what I did – they focus all their efforts and energy on physical pursuits (like bodybuilding) and are negligent in other areas (like school and work)?
Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…
Why is it, that when the show The Biggest Loser comes on, those who are massively overweight and plagued with illness, are THEN able to get off their ass and try to lose weight? It’s not about their ability to start working out, it’s that they are NOW willing to TRY. If it takes winning $250k to get people off their ass and begin a program where they eat right and exercise, then YES I will call them lazy. You have people who have sleep apnea who wear masks at night to help them breathe, while taking every pill under the sun, yet STILL willing to finally bust ass. LAZY.
Don’t bother with that excuse of their desire to get healthy and live a long life. BULLSHIT. That idea was present before the show, and will be there after the show. Then they have this epiphany, you know, where they break down and cry and see that they actually CAN do this eat right/workout thing. They always could, it was the money that was the catalyst to get them off their ass to even try.
BTW - the winners of last seasons show were the 2 oldest people, still think the average chunky isn’t lazy?
I have a lot of issues with That Show. But I know the money isn’t the reason people want to get on. The pressure of EVERYONE watching (and the support that comes with it) is the true lure.[/quote]
Why would you have issues with the show? People who go on it know what to expect. Why is it that people act like they are so in the dark with life?
So you are saying that the pressure of people watching is enough for them to do what they say they can’t at home? What about the pressure put on them while they are in their home towns? Their friends, co-workers, and family members pressure isn’t enough to get them off their ass? Come on. Take away that $250k prize and see how badly people are fighting to get on that show.
My boss and his wife right now are waiting for there friend to bring back from the states thirty dollars worth of gum and thirty dollars worth of milkyway chocolate bars.That’s approx. ninety chocolate bars for him and his wife to gorge on.They just finished off thier last order a couple of weeks ago.I have seen him go through three packs of gum in a day.He’s a diabetic if you can believe that.
Even when he eats good food its in huge quantities ie:two cups of bluberries at one sitting.Can't be good.That sounds like an addiction to me.This dude is a very smart man doing dumb shit.He eats out more than cooking at home he told me a while back.WTF? He won't see sixtey.
Also I've read somewhere alot of obese people were sexually abused as children and they got "fat and ugly" so uncle happy hands won't want to touch them again.Not trying to defend them just what I read.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?
Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.
Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.
There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.
In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.
You don’t have to be fat to fake disability. I’m surrounded by disability fakers at home and at work, and they come in every conceivable shape and form. My neighbor lives on disability. His wife goes to work every day, busts her tail, while he heads out to play golf. I know this because I’ve seen him bend his tall slender form towards the trunk of his car as he throws in his golf clubs. Whom do we go after in this scenario? The slender guy faking disability, living off the taxpayers? Or the fat wife who works hard every day at her job, who then comes home to care for her family, including a gaggle of grandchildren? Perhaps someone has you targeted for harassment?
As for people TRYING to get fat for any reason, I think the term “SUBculture” says it all.
Really? Maybe we just aren’t aware of how many of these people there really are. I seriously doubt most are going to advertise publicly that they get a woody from seeing an extra fold of skin in the mirror. It would, however, go a long way towards explaining how so many people literally force feed themselves into immobility.
I believe many of these cases are psychological. There has to be some mental issue present in that guy I saw on cable who was so fat he couldn’t walk but ate more food daily than most whole families do on thanksgiving and has a bucket rigged outside his window so he can lower money down to the delivery guy bringing his POUNDS of Chinese food and so he can haul the food back up…you know, instead of trying to move and go outside.
This fetish component is one that is hardly televised or discussed openly…so how could you possibly know the numbers?
Maybe this alone is why there are so many. No one accidentally eats until they can’t move.
It isn’t like one day they could walk…but then that last double cheeseburger just pushed them over the edge.
“I think I’ll just have one more…dozen donuts. OH SNAP, I can’t move!!!”[/quote]
Re-read your own post and you’ll see you are the one who used the term “subculture.” And you were right the first time. Not everyone who has sex is into hardcore BDS. And everyone talks about BDS… at least in the plant where I work…
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
speakman wrote:
Funny to see all the stereotype stuff flying around here: “Fat people are lazy.” “Fat people think they’re victims.” “Fat people try to claim special rights.” Etc… I would bet there’s an inverse relationship between a person’s age and his/her tendency to over-stereotype other people.
Translation: It’s the younger guys that have it all figured out!! Or at least think they do… (oops, did I just stereotype?)
That said, chronically overweight people tend to get on my nerves a little, too. Mainly because I’m an FFB myself, and it gets annoying to see people go year after year after year deceiving themselves into thinking/hoping that there’s a silver bullet or magic pill out there for their weight problem. There isn’t.
And then there are the yo-yo people: They actually lose weight, look and feel better, and then a couple of months later the weight is back on, sometimes more than before. I have one friend who is the most committed, hardcore guy there is when it comes to losing weight.
He can diet and exercise off 100 pounds and so impress the community that he’s asked to teach classes and give talks. He’s good at dropping weight like this because he’s done it at least half a dozen times in the ten years that I’ve known him. I don’t even know where he is in the brutal cycle at the moment: losing his 100 pounds or putting it back on…
As for me, I’ve been guilty of all of the above. I was in pretty good shape (though not much muscle; just low BF) when I met my wife. After we got married, we both had a ten-year honeymoon with each other and with Dairy Queen. Then I’d had enough (of Dairy Queen, not my wife), so I went to work trying to figure out how to get healthy.
For the first few years, it was just solving the amazing riddle of losing the fat (which turned out not to be a riddle at all, but “eat healthy and exercise” just doesn’t sink in easily once one makes it to 250 pounds of pure fat). For the last few years, my focus has been on adding muscle.
An equally staggering challenge for me, and, again, because I tend to over-complicate things. Really, I only very, very recently figured out that I actually need to eat MORE if I want to add muscle!! Imagine that…
But here’s the interesting thing: In the midst of all of this (getting terribly fat; taking forever to figure out how to undo the damage; spending several years more just trying to get a simple plan for adding muscle; etc.)
I was going to school and earning a 4.0 GPA and a Master’s degree in international business; I was building a very successful business that hasn’t even really been hurt by this current economy; and engaging in all sorts of other VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING intellectual pursuits. I don’t think anyone has ever called me lazy, except me, and I’ve never been a victim of anything except myself.
I was lazy physically for awhile there – actually, more irresponsible than lazy, and choosing to focus my efforts and energy on non-physical things.
Now, I’m miraculously applying my energy and efforts to both areas: intellectual and physical. It can – and should – be done!! How many people do the reverse of what I did – they focus all their efforts and energy on physical pursuits (like bodybuilding) and are negligent in other areas (like school and work)?
Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…
Why is it, that when the show The Biggest Loser comes on, those who are massively overweight and plagued with illness, are THEN able to get off their ass and try to lose weight? It’s not about their ability to start working out, it’s that they are NOW willing to TRY. If it takes winning $250k to get people off their ass and begin a program where they eat right and exercise, then YES I will call them lazy. You have people who have sleep apnea who wear masks at night to help them breathe, while taking every pill under the sun, yet STILL willing to finally bust ass. LAZY.
Don’t bother with that excuse of their desire to get healthy and live a long life. BULLSHIT. That idea was present before the show, and will be there after the show. Then they have this epiphany, you know, where they break down and cry and see that they actually CAN do this eat right/workout thing. They always could, it was the money that was the catalyst to get them off their ass to even try.
BTW - the winners of last seasons show were the 2 oldest people, still think the average chunky isn’t lazy?
I have a lot of issues with That Show. But I know the money isn’t the reason people want to get on. The pressure of EVERYONE watching (and the support that comes with it) is the true lure.
Why would you have issues with the show? People who go on it know what to expect. Why is it that people act like they are so in the dark with life?
So you are saying that the pressure of people watching is enough for them to do what they say they can’t at home? What about the pressure put on them while they are in their home towns? Their friends, co-workers, and family members pressure isn’t enough to get them off their ass? Come on. Take away that $250k prize and see how badly people are fighting to get on that show. [/quote]
On The Biggest Loser, the TV audience offers positive reinforcement and the coaches WANT the contestants to succeed. The pressure contestants get at home is negative.
My late mother (who wore a size 2, at her largest, and who was traffic-stopping gorgeous) would fairly routinely comment on my weight, always punctuated with “I don’t want a FAT daughter.” Mom and I were tight, but after well over a decade of fat remarks from the woman who was always my best friend, my mother passed away and I was obese. About six month’s after, without ever considering why, I started working out… and I never stopped. Coincidence?
As for The Biggest Loser, the contestants do nothing all day long but work out. It’s unrealistic to imagine such quickly achieved results can be maintained after they return to their families and jobs. And I think everyone who participates is destined to fall prey to serious overuse injuries. If I sat and made a list I’m sure I could come up with pages of why TBL sucks. TBL is about tv ratings, before all other considerations.
Evidently, the topic of fat people is polarizing and few change their way of thinking, regardless of how persuasive the argument. I know I’ve exhausted all mine and cannot imagine what else I could add, so I’m done. In the end, though, I still believe in staying out of people’s business. Thanks.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?
Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.
Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.
There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.
In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.
You don’t have to be fat to fake disability. I’m surrounded by disability fakers at home and at work, and they come in every conceivable shape and form. My neighbor lives on disability. His wife goes to work every day, busts her tail, while he heads out to play golf. I know this because I’ve seen him bend his tall slender form towards the trunk of his car as he throws in his golf clubs. Whom do we go after in this scenario? The slender guy faking disability, living off the taxpayers? Or the fat wife who works hard every day at her job, who then comes home to care for her family, including a gaggle of grandchildren? Perhaps someone has you targeted for harassment?
As for people TRYING to get fat for any reason, I think the term “SUBculture” says it all.
Really? Maybe we just aren’t aware of how many of these people there really are. I seriously doubt most are going to advertise publicly that they get a woody from seeing an extra fold of skin in the mirror. It would, however, go a long way towards explaining how so many people literally force feed themselves into immobility.
I believe many of these cases are psychological. There has to be some mental issue present in that guy I saw on cable who was so fat he couldn’t walk but ate more food daily than most whole families do on thanksgiving and has a bucket rigged outside his window so he can lower money down to the delivery guy bringing his POUNDS of Chinese food and so he can haul the food back up…you know, instead of trying to move and go outside.
This fetish component is one that is hardly televised or discussed openly…so how could you possibly know the numbers?
Maybe this alone is why there are so many. No one accidentally eats until they can’t move.
It isn’t like one day they could walk…but then that last double cheeseburger just pushed them over the edge.
“I think I’ll just have one more…dozen donuts. OH SNAP, I can’t move!!!”[/quote]
X
Although survival of the fittest is a cornerstone in our evolution…perhaps the meek shall inherit the earth.
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
Re-read your own post and you’ll see you are the one who used the term “subculture.” And you were right the first time. Not everyone who has sex is into hardcore BDS. And everyone talks about BDS… at least in the plant where I work…
[/quote]
What? Bodybuilding is a “sub-culture” also but I am pretty sure there are quite a few people on the planet that are into building their bodies up who follow bodybuilding. That doesn’t change the fact that we don’t know how many of these people exist so acting like they are so few in number makes no sense. You don’t know how many there are just like I don’t. For all you know, 80% of the morbidly obese people on the planet may view getting fatter as their sexual fetish. Why pretend like the majority need sympathy when this could equally NOT be the case?
FAT PEOPLE ARE EVIL DEMONS SENT BY SATAN TO DESTROY THE WORLD BY CONSUMING ITS RESOURCES LEAVING GOOD CHRISTIANS IN AFRICA STARVING. TAKE TO THE STREETS AND HUNT THEM DOWN. IT SHOULDNT BE HARD AS THEY CAN BARELY MOVE. THEN THROW THEM INTO A DESERT SO THEY ARE FORCED TO EAT EACH OTHER. THE WORLD SHALL NOT TOLERATE THESE ABOMINATIONS. GOD HATES FAT.
let’s not forget about powerlifterz
which are basically strong fat asses
goes to hide away
I have a question for those who advocate tolerance/acceptance of fat people and fatness in general.
What is your attitude towards parents of fat children? What would you say to people who feed their children and watch them grow until 12-year-olds move the scales like grown-ass men?
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
speakman wrote:
Funny to see all the stereotype stuff flying around here: “Fat people are lazy.” “Fat people think they’re victims.” “Fat people try to claim special rights.” Etc… I would bet there’s an inverse relationship between a person’s age and his/her tendency to over-stereotype other people.
Translation: It’s the younger guys that have it all figured out!! Or at least think they do… (oops, did I just stereotype?)
That said, chronically overweight people tend to get on my nerves a little, too. Mainly because I’m an FFB myself, and it gets annoying to see people go year after year after year deceiving themselves into thinking/hoping that there’s a silver bullet or magic pill out there for their weight problem. There isn’t.
And then there are the yo-yo people: They actually lose weight, look and feel better, and then a couple of months later the weight is back on, sometimes more than before. I have one friend who is the most committed, hardcore guy there is when it comes to losing weight.
He can diet and exercise off 100 pounds and so impress the community that he’s asked to teach classes and give talks. He’s good at dropping weight like this because he’s done it at least half a dozen times in the ten years that I’ve known him. I don’t even know where he is in the brutal cycle at the moment: losing his 100 pounds or putting it back on…
As for me, I’ve been guilty of all of the above. I was in pretty good shape (though not much muscle; just low BF) when I met my wife. After we got married, we both had a ten-year honeymoon with each other and with Dairy Queen. Then I’d had enough (of Dairy Queen, not my wife), so I went to work trying to figure out how to get healthy.
For the first few years, it was just solving the amazing riddle of losing the fat (which turned out not to be a riddle at all, but “eat healthy and exercise” just doesn’t sink in easily once one makes it to 250 pounds of pure fat). For the last few years, my focus has been on adding muscle.
An equally staggering challenge for me, and, again, because I tend to over-complicate things. Really, I only very, very recently figured out that I actually need to eat MORE if I want to add muscle!! Imagine that…
But here’s the interesting thing: In the midst of all of this (getting terribly fat; taking forever to figure out how to undo the damage; spending several years more just trying to get a simple plan for adding muscle; etc.)
I was going to school and earning a 4.0 GPA and a Master’s degree in international business; I was building a very successful business that hasn’t even really been hurt by this current economy; and engaging in all sorts of other VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING intellectual pursuits. I don’t think anyone has ever called me lazy, except me, and I’ve never been a victim of anything except myself.
I was lazy physically for awhile there – actually, more irresponsible than lazy, and choosing to focus my efforts and energy on non-physical things.
Now, I’m miraculously applying my energy and efforts to both areas: intellectual and physical. It can – and should – be done!! How many people do the reverse of what I did – they focus all their efforts and energy on physical pursuits (like bodybuilding) and are negligent in other areas (like school and work)?
Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…
Why is it, that when the show The Biggest Loser comes on, those who are massively overweight and plagued with illness, are THEN able to get off their ass and try to lose weight? It’s not about their ability to start working out, it’s that they are NOW willing to TRY. If it takes winning $250k to get people off their ass and begin a program where they eat right and exercise, then YES I will call them lazy. You have people who have sleep apnea who wear masks at night to help them breathe, while taking every pill under the sun, yet STILL willing to finally bust ass. LAZY.
Don’t bother with that excuse of their desire to get healthy and live a long life. BULLSHIT. That idea was present before the show, and will be there after the show. Then they have this epiphany, you know, where they break down and cry and see that they actually CAN do this eat right/workout thing. They always could, it was the money that was the catalyst to get them off their ass to even try.
BTW - the winners of last seasons show were the 2 oldest people, still think the average chunky isn’t lazy?
I have a lot of issues with That Show. But I know the money isn’t the reason people want to get on. The pressure of EVERYONE watching (and the support that comes with it) is the true lure.
Why would you have issues with the show? People who go on it know what to expect. Why is it that people act like they are so in the dark with life?
So you are saying that the pressure of people watching is enough for them to do what they say they can’t at home? What about the pressure put on them while they are in their home towns? Their friends, co-workers, and family members pressure isn’t enough to get them off their ass? Come on. Take away that $250k prize and see how badly people are fighting to get on that show.
On The Biggest Loser, the TV audience offers positive reinforcement and the coaches WANT the contestants to succeed. The pressure contestants get at home is negative.
My late mother (who wore a size 2, at her largest, and who was traffic-stopping gorgeous) would fairly routinely comment on my weight, always punctuated with “I don’t want a FAT daughter.” Mom and I were tight, but after well over a decade of fat remarks from the woman who was always my best friend, my mother passed away and I was obese. About six month’s after, without ever considering why, I started working out… and I never stopped. Coincidence?
As for The Biggest Loser, the contestants do nothing all day long but work out. It’s unrealistic to imagine such quickly achieved results can be maintained after they return to their families and jobs. And I think everyone who participates is destined to fall prey to serious overuse injuries. If I sat and made a list I’m sure I could come up with pages of why TBL sucks. TBL is about tv ratings, before all other considerations.
Evidently, the topic of fat people is polarizing and few change their way of thinking, regardless of how persuasive the argument. I know I’ve exhausted all mine and cannot imagine what else I could add, so I’m done. In the end, though, I still believe in staying out of people’s business. Thanks.[/quote]
The method by the the show achieves it’s success is questionable and debatable of course, but what it does do successfully, is show that people are not as helpless as they would like to think. After all, that would remove their rationale for being so fat. The show is after rating obviously, but that doesn’t change the fact the show can show that people are capable of busting ass while being older, sicker, and clearly heavier. Whatever it takes to motivate them, whether it’s money or internally driven desire to win, people DO have the capacity to make it happen for themselves.
I am sorry to hear of your late mother. But from what I gather from your statements regard her, it seems your weight issue stems from your mother’s comments.
It sounds like you have been on both sides of the equation, and do you still think you were so helpless to not ever accomplish this? How is it that YOU did what 2/3 of Americans cannot? What do you possess? You possess drive. You finally decided that whatever stopped you before, was not less of a deterrent, than your desire to change into the new you. Something told you that you can overcome whatever was stopping you before, whatever the reason is or was. Are other people not capable of this too?
In the end, if you request that fit people stay out of fat people’s business, then I request fat people stop complaining about their fatness. No one wants to hear it. They know they are fat, and everything that comes along with it, while some of it can be hurtful. I personally am tired of them talking about how they don’t fit into clothes, airline seats, how they complain when they have to walk up a flight of stairs because the elevator is broken.
If you are going to be pro-fat, accept ALL that comes with it.
[quote]JN7844 wrote:
Did you see the open letter to physicians?
Dear Doctor:
blah blah blah, I'm fat and you need to change your whole office and attitude to accomodate me because I'm lazy letter.[/quote]
I thought this was laughable.
[quote]bABoon wrote:
Tolerance leads to acceptance, and in no way should obesity ever become an acceptable way of life. It is a burden to the health-care system, which is in no kind of shape to handle an increased workload.[/quote]
this ^ answers this v
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
But if they aren’t bothering you why do you care? Really? [/quote]
It is notable to defend anyone being flamed on the internet. You’re fighting a losing battle from the start on the away team’s turf. Van Wilder moment, write that down.
Anyway, not that I go out of my way to make fun of fat people and need it to get through the day, but I can’t respect someone who is morbidly obese and let’s it get to that point. At some point before then, they should have realized there was a problem and fixed it. Whether it was eating too much, not exercising, or maybe psychological. There’s a fix for all of these things that isn’t complicated or hard to accomplish. If you’re eating too much. Cut back and fix the diet. Very simple. If you’re not exercising, well, exercise. If you’re depressed or have some other psychological issue, then go see a psychologist and do what they tell you. Not only will all these fat people feel better, but they’ll be happier with themselves and also feel proud they accomplished something.
The problem I have is fat people expecting everyone else to accomodate them. Not only are they bringing themselves down, they are attempting to bring us down with them. And last I heard, heart disease was the number 1 killer by far in this country. Wouldn’t the obesity epidemic be playing a large role in that statistic?
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
As one of the formerly fat I’d like to tackle this one.
Cruelty comes from fear. All of society has a vested interest in having a handy group (or groups) of people to pummel because as long as Those Guys are the freaks and we don’t look or act like Them we’re safe.
By forcing everyone to focus on fat people (or gay people, or green people… whatever) we cautiously steer attention away from us and all our weird little faults and deflect all the negativity onto The Freaks. They’re our scapegoats. And if you surround yourself with nothing but people doing the same thing you reinforce your own sense of righteousness in what your doing. Except that tearing others down to build yourself up is mean, wrong, and cowardly. COWARDLY.
Do you have a mother who’s loved you and been good to you all your life? A wonderful woman who’s never hurt another living soul? A mother who’s fat? How are you going to feel when an obnoxious bunch of terrified, self-loathing punks at the mall decide to make this woman you love a target? They don’t even KNOW her. People are not their uniforms.
If you get off on negatively objectifying people you may fool your buds and they may think you’re cool but look outside your circle and you’ll see hardly nobody else is fooled. Cowardice is tough to hide. At my absolute fattest I felt bad for all those judgmental, cliquish busybody people; ruled into submission by their peers. At my absolute fattest, nobody controlled me - and I feared nothing.
[/quote]
Yes. Cuz it’s absolutely the case that were all insecure meanies who need fat people to make themselves feel better. There is NO WAY we just find fatties unattractive and see them engagne in self destructing behavior-which makes it even funnier.
There’s cool fatties (James Gandolfini,Joe Madden, Louis Guzman) and then there’s not so cool fatties who write write letters like in the beginning of this thread(unless someone was just trolling).
is cuz dey be just dumm meanie meatheadz hoo dun care bout nobody but themselfes!!!
I am just now reading this letter, but it is amazing people think like this.
[quote]JN7844 wrote:
Did you see the open letter to physicians?
Dear Doctor:
…
When I place my health in your hands, it is my hope you
will take my concerns seriously and will find some way to
look past my size and beyond personal prejudices, if you
have any. I am not asking you to marry me or even take me
dancing . . . I am asking that you use your education to
address any health problems I may be experiencing. Please
listen to my concerns, then consider how you would test
and treat these symptoms if I were not fat. Treat me with
respect and I will return the favor.[/quote]
This person doesn’t want medical treatment. They want someone to tell them it is ok to keep doing what they have been whether it is hurting them or not. If a patient is wheezing in my chair due to COPD from years of cigarette smoking, does anyone expect me to treat the symptoms as if they don’t smoke? Why would someone who extremely obese expect a doctor to ignore their level of fatness if it may very well be why they are ill in the first place?
Any doctor who ignores the physicality of their patient instead of looking at THE WHOLE BEING is not a doctor anyone in their right mind would want treating them.
[quote]
I am aware that some diseases may be related to or
aggravated by being large, and I want you to help me
avoid or deal with those. But don't expect superhuman
attempts at starving myself to achieve an impossible goal.
Please be realistic. Diets don't work . . . ask me, I've
tried them all. Help me to be as fit and healthy as
possible at any size.
[/quote]
No, “diets” may not work if you go right back into eating cheesecakes for every meal right after your weak attempt at that diet. Changing your lifestyle and exercising FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE does work.
[quote] If I ask you for help controlling or changing my weight,
offer your thoughts and suggestions. Alert me to health
problems truly affected by weight . . . and be current
with your information. Please don't hand me a low-calorie
diet sheet and preach to me about self-control. Chances
are good I've already heard it, tried it, and moved on.
Unless you have good, solid evidence that a weight-loss
treatment will work for me on a permanent basis, don't
demand that I lose weight. You may become a part of my
health problems by creating diet-induced diseases.[/quote]
The rest of this is truly sad. This person doesn’t want to change. I just got back from the grocery store. It was about 2:30 in the afternoon yet I saw 4 different obese people in those scooters who apparently walked into the store but couldn’t hold themselves up enough to walk through the aisles. Why do people like that expect the entire world to cater to their own decision to let themselves go to that degree?
They want doctors to put extra large seats that fit two normal sized people in their waiting rooms just in case someone this fat shows up? Really?
I’m a big guy. I don’t expect my doctor to put extensions on his seats for my arms to rest on just in case bodybuilders show up or to keep a fridge in the waiting room for my protein shakes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am just now reading this letter, but it is amazing people think like this.
JN7844 wrote:
Did you see the open letter to physicians?
Dear Doctor:
…
When I place my health in your hands, it is my hope you
will take my concerns seriously and will find some way to
look past my size and beyond personal prejudices, if you
have any. I am not asking you to marry me or even take me
dancing . . . I am asking that you use your education to
address any health problems I may be experiencing. Please
listen to my concerns, then consider how you would test
and treat these symptoms if I were not fat. Treat me with
respect and I will return the favor.
This person doesn’t want medical treatment. They want someone to tell them it is ok to keep doing what they have been whether it is hurting them or not. If a patient is wheezing in my chair due to COPD from years of cigarette smoking, does anyone expect me to treat the symptoms as if they don’t smoke? Why would someone who extremely obese expect a doctor to ignore their level of fatness if it may very well be why they are ill in the first place?
Any doctor who ignores the physicality of their patient instead of looking at THE WHOLE BEING is not a doctor anyone in their right mind would want treating them.
I am aware that some diseases may be related to or
aggravated by being large, and I want you to help me
avoid or deal with those. But don't expect superhuman
attempts at starving myself to achieve an impossible goal.
Please be realistic. Diets don't work . . . ask me, I've
tried them all. Help me to be as fit and healthy as
possible at any size.
No, “diets” may not work if you go right back into eating cheesecakes for every meal right after your weak attempt at that diet. Changing your lifestyle and exercising FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE does work.
If I ask you for help controlling or changing my weight,
offer your thoughts and suggestions. Alert me to health
problems truly affected by weight . . . and be current
with your information. Please don't hand me a low-calorie
diet sheet and preach to me about self-control. Chances
are good I've already heard it, tried it, and moved on.
Unless you have good, solid evidence that a weight-loss
treatment will work for me on a permanent basis, don't
demand that I lose weight. You may become a part of my
health problems by creating diet-induced diseases.
The rest of this is truly sad. This person doesn’t want to change. I just got back from the grocery store. It was about 2:30 in the afternoon yet I saw 4 different obese people in those scooters who apparently walked into the store but couldn’t hold themselves up enough to walk through the aisles. Why do people like that expect the entire world to cater to their own decision to let themselves go to that degree?
They want doctors to put extra large seats that fit two normal sized people in their waiting rooms just in case someone this fat shows up? Really?
I’m a big guy. I don’t expect my doctor to put extensions on his seats for my arms to rest on just in case bodybuilders show up or to keep a fridge in the waiting room for my protein shakes. [/quote]
Because the identity that the US associated with is fat, it is the mainstream now. I noticed this when I saw a commercial for a new TV show called “More to Love.” This is a dating show similar to the Bachelor, but with women now range in sized between 14-24. The Bachelor is a guy who “enjoys weighing 300 lbs.” Can’t you just wait to see the hot steamy scenes in the hot tub ?
2 out of 3 Americans is obese, not even fat, but obese. With so many large people everywhere, I honestly think that their thinking has changed. More and more people are fat, making it the new “normal”, common, and socially acceptable.
it’s crazy. i went to starbucks for a latte today around lunchtime. some middle-aged woman was getting some of those large frozen fruit blend ice drinks with way too much whipped cream on top, coming through the opening on the domed cover. she was getting drinks for herself and presumably her grandchild. this little girl had a normal body but a big pot belly. she was dancing around sooo excited about her treat.
the woman was out of shape sure but you could tell from her body that she did not have a weight problem when she was a child. why do this to the kid? she thinks you’re doing something nice for her out of caring and it’s not true. sad. everyone thinks differently these days. i have people at work and friends treating me and how i live my life like it’s so extreme.
my mom has so many weight related illnesses yet acts like i’m trying to ruin her life if i even suggest a better way to eat. she is surrounded by enablers agreeing with her in support. meanwhile, i don’t say everything i want to say. forget about exercise. it’s mindboggling. when you think about it people are eating everyday as if it’s their birthday and one of those big feast holidays. you have done nothing to earn a piece of cake today. there is no special occasion. you were sitting around today and you will be sitting around tomorrow. what’s the celebration for?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am just now reading this letter, but it is amazing people think like this.
JN7844 wrote:
Did you see the open letter to physicians?
Dear Doctor:
…
When I place my health in your hands, it is my hope you
will take my concerns seriously and will find some way to
look past my size and beyond personal prejudices, if you
have any. I am not asking you to marry me or even take me
dancing . . . I am asking that you use your education to
address any health problems I may be experiencing. Please
listen to my concerns, then consider how you would test
and treat these symptoms if I were not fat. Treat me with
respect and I will return the favor.
This person doesn’t want medical treatment. They want someone to tell them it is ok to keep doing what they have been whether it is hurting them or not. If a patient is wheezing in my chair due to COPD from years of cigarette smoking, does anyone expect me to treat the symptoms as if they don’t smoke? Why would someone who extremely obese expect a doctor to ignore their level of fatness if it may very well be why they are ill in the first place?
Any doctor who ignores the physicality of their patient instead of looking at THE WHOLE BEING is not a doctor anyone in their right mind would want treating them.
I am aware that some diseases may be related to or
aggravated by being large, and I want you to help me
avoid or deal with those. But don't expect superhuman
attempts at starving myself to achieve an impossible goal.
Please be realistic. Diets don't work . . . ask me, I've
tried them all. Help me to be as fit and healthy as
possible at any size.
No, “diets” may not work if you go right back into eating cheesecakes for every meal right after your weak attempt at that diet. Changing your lifestyle and exercising FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE does work.
If I ask you for help controlling or changing my weight,
offer your thoughts and suggestions. Alert me to health
problems truly affected by weight . . . and be current
with your information. Please don't hand me a low-calorie
diet sheet and preach to me about self-control. Chances
are good I've already heard it, tried it, and moved on.
Unless you have good, solid evidence that a weight-loss
treatment will work for me on a permanent basis, don't
demand that I lose weight. You may become a part of my
health problems by creating diet-induced diseases.
The rest of this is truly sad. This person doesn’t want to change. I just got back from the grocery store. It was about 2:30 in the afternoon yet I saw 4 different obese people in those scooters who apparently walked into the store but couldn’t hold themselves up enough to walk through the aisles. Why do people like that expect the entire world to cater to their own decision to let themselves go to that degree?
They want doctors to put extra large seats that fit two normal sized people in their waiting rooms just in case someone this fat shows up? Really?
I’m a big guy. I don’t expect my doctor to put extensions on his seats for my arms to rest on just in case bodybuilders show up or to keep a fridge in the waiting room for my protein shakes. [/quote]
Man has long worked to stave off the diseases that can ravage us. But what can happen when the cure grows more fearsome than the disease?