The Fat People... Are They for Real?

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.[/quote]

Fuck yeah brah! Tell that dumb broad what time it is! I bet she is just jealous of fat chicks cuz they all got bigger boobs than she does…

I agree, London Runner. The 2009 class suck donkey balls. But their spiteful and snobbish attitudes are entertaining.

The Troll Shall Inherit The T-Nation!

[quote]Class_0f_2009 wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.

Fuck yeah brah! Tell that dumb broad what time it is! I bet she is just jealous of fat chicks cuz they all got bigger boobs than she does…[/quote]

you should change your stats to

6’3 205 pounds

years training: off and on 4 months

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Class_0f_2009 wrote:
legendaryblaze wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

wow another “I hate fat people” thread

it’s like there is one brain on here and it is stuck on one thing and being passed around.

I have been reading your posts for a few years now and i must say you are really one of the dumber posters on this website. Shut the fuck up and don’t click on these threads if you don’t like them.

Fuck yeah brah! Tell that dumb broad what time it is! I bet she is just jealous of fat chicks cuz they all got bigger boobs than she does…

you should change your stats to

6’3 205 pounds

years training: off and on 4 months[/quote]

fuck u bro u jus jealous that im bigger and stronger than u! LOL! homo!

[quote]speakman wrote:
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Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…[/quote]

Want a cookie?

[quote]speakman wrote:
Funny to see all the stereotype stuff flying around here: “Fat people are lazy.” “Fat people think they’re victims.” “Fat people try to claim special rights.” Etc… I would bet there’s an inverse relationship between a person’s age and his/her tendency to over-stereotype other people.

Translation: It’s the younger guys that have it all figured out!! Or at least think they do… (oops, did I just stereotype?)

That said, chronically overweight people tend to get on my nerves a little, too. Mainly because I’m an FFB myself, and it gets annoying to see people go year after year after year deceiving themselves into thinking/hoping that there’s a silver bullet or magic pill out there for their weight problem. There isn’t.

And then there are the yo-yo people: They actually lose weight, look and feel better, and then a couple of months later the weight is back on, sometimes more than before. I have one friend who is the most committed, hardcore guy there is when it comes to losing weight.

He can diet and exercise off 100 pounds and so impress the community that he’s asked to teach classes and give talks. He’s good at dropping weight like this because he’s done it at least half a dozen times in the ten years that I’ve known him. I don’t even know where he is in the brutal cycle at the moment: losing his 100 pounds or putting it back on…

As for me, I’ve been guilty of all of the above. I was in pretty good shape (though not much muscle; just low BF) when I met my wife. After we got married, we both had a ten-year honeymoon with each other and with Dairy Queen. Then I’d had enough (of Dairy Queen, not my wife), so I went to work trying to figure out how to get healthy.

For the first few years, it was just solving the amazing riddle of losing the fat (which turned out not to be a riddle at all, but “eat healthy and exercise” just doesn’t sink in easily once one makes it to 250 pounds of pure fat). For the last few years, my focus has been on adding muscle.

An equally staggering challenge for me, and, again, because I tend to over-complicate things. Really, I only very, very recently figured out that I actually need to eat MORE if I want to add muscle!! Imagine that…

But here’s the interesting thing: In the midst of all of this (getting terribly fat; taking forever to figure out how to undo the damage; spending several years more just trying to get a simple plan for adding muscle; etc.)

I was going to school and earning a 4.0 GPA and a Master’s degree in international business; I was building a very successful business that hasn’t even really been hurt by this current economy; and engaging in all sorts of other VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING intellectual pursuits. I don’t think anyone has ever called me lazy, except me, and I’ve never been a victim of anything except myself.

I was lazy physically for awhile there – actually, more irresponsible than lazy, and choosing to focus my efforts and energy on non-physical things.

Now, I’m miraculously applying my energy and efforts to both areas: intellectual and physical. It can – and should – be done!! How many people do the reverse of what I did – they focus all their efforts and energy on physical pursuits (like bodybuilding) and are negligent in other areas (like school and work)?

Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…[/quote]

Why is it, that when the show The Biggest Loser comes on, those who are massively overweight and plagued with illness, are THEN able to get off their ass and try to lose weight? It’s not about their ability to start working out, it’s that they are NOW willing to TRY. If it takes winning $250k to get people off their ass and begin a program where they eat right and exercise, then YES I will call them lazy. You have people who have sleep apnea who wear masks at night to help them breathe, while taking every pill under the sun, yet STILL willing to finally bust ass. LAZY.

Don’t bother with that excuse of their desire to get healthy and live a long life. BULLSHIT. That idea was present before the show, and will be there after the show. Then they have this epiphany, you know, where they break down and cry and see that they actually CAN do this eat right/workout thing. They always could, it was the money that was the catalyst to get them off their ass to even try.

BTW - the winners of last seasons show were the 2 oldest people, still think the average chunky isn’t lazy?

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
speakman wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
BLAH BLAH
BLAH

Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…

Want a cookie?
[/quote]

no cuz i got diabeetus cuz im fat

hahaha. sylar used to be fat.

but she’s hot now, so it’s cool.

I am living with a psychologist for the 8 weeks I am in Durham, & we had a debate on the subject of obesity & food addiction today. She held the stance that being obese was a classic example of addiction. She went on to say that these people go on diets, fail, feel bad about themselves, & that they just can’t help it along with some other noise.

Plus, she berated me for not being tolerant of them. According to her, I would not understand what they go through because I have the type of personality that can commit to a change and carry it through. She did not want to listen when I told her that as members of the same species, the physiology between a fat person and myself cannot be so different that they are incapable of making a change. She didn’t even want to hear it when I asked her to explain how so many former fatties peeled their lbs. Her attitude towards the issue is as big a problem as obesity itself.

The addiction model, applied literally, can describe the interaction some people have with food. However, I would seriously hesitate, & actively resist, saying that a person can be addicted to something required for living. Man, I enjoyed breathing so much yesterday, I think I am going to do some more today. People will talk about the dopamine model of addiction for the obese, but the truth is, just about anything that makes you happy activates the same system. I pointed out to her that in my experience, fat people will say that they have done everything, yada yada yada, but the ones that actually make the change will admit that their heart wasn’t in it when they failed. Outside of serious pathologic processes, being obese is a mental weakness issue.

Also, the fantasy feeders forum was horrifying. The shrink told me that most obese people are not pleased with the way they look. I bought it, until I read that.

[quote]bABoon wrote:

Also, the fantasy feeders forum was horrifying. The shrink told me that most obese people are not pleased with the way they look. I bought it, until I read that.[/quote]

I’m with you on that forum being revolting. However, like many fringe elements, it represents a small fraction of the population.

[quote]doubleh wrote:

This shit can’t be real.

Can it?[/quote]

I thought the same thing.

Makes me angry.

[quote]Class_0f_2009 wrote:

fuck u bro u jus jealous that im bigger and stronger than u! LOL! homo![/quote]

Shut up.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?

Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.

Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.

There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.

In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.[/quote]

You don’t have to be fat to fake disability. I’m surrounded by disability fakers at home and at work, and they come in every conceivable shape and form. My neighbor lives on disability. His wife goes to work every day, busts her tail, while he heads out to play golf. I know this because I’ve seen him bend his tall slender form towards the trunk of his car as he throws in his golf clubs. Whom do we go after in this scenario? The slender guy faking disability, living off the taxpayers? Or the fat wife who works hard every day at her job, who then comes home to care for her family, including a gaggle of grandchildren? Perhaps someone has you targeted for harassment?

As for people TRYING to get fat for any reason, I think the term “SUBculture” says it all.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
SSW, what really pisses me off, is the idea that these obese people feel that they are victims. As if there is no escape from what ails them. And what I find inspiring is when I see a guy who is paralyzed workout harder than me. Because he is HUNGRY.

This is not an illess that has no cure. These people KNOW that their lifestyle along with their habits contribute to their condition. And when one of these people loses weight, they think it is some miracle, an act of God. No, it’s changing bad habits into good habits with lead you toward a specific goal.

I think people often underestimate what they are capable of, and it is SO easy to blame everything else in the world for their failures. Some things are not within your control, but when you eat with a shovel and not a spoon or fork, that is simply not the case. Their obesity is not due to a lack of information, unless you live under a rock, everyone knows to eat wholesome natural food and exercise regularly.

I used to work with geriatric patients, and I noticed that their level of overall discipline in their lives was much greater than people in my generation. Men and women who were TOUGH, both mentally and physically. Rarely did I see someone who was very large, it was more the exception than the rule. I remember one guy who was a Marine vet who had a knee replacement, who forced himself to walk the day after his surgery, because THAT was his new war. He declared war on his ailments, I actually had to try to restrain him from walking too much.

People handle adversity differently, because their personal belief system is such that they don’t make themselves out to be a victim or helpless.

People come up to me all the time and ask how I did it and, yea, usually the eager hopeful smile fades when I tell them about my dietary one-eighty and devotion to weight training. But I have never witnessed anyone saying “I’m fat but it’s not my fault…” They know what they need to do, which is why the heavy around me don’t ask me any further questions, until they’re ready. And when they are I’m here with all the help I can offer. Until then, I keep it on the DL.

BTW, I like you Max. But this is one of those things where having actual experience makes all the difference.

I have no idea as to why you would think that I don’t have experience with something like this or similar to this. [/quote]

Fair enough. Do you?

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
speakman wrote:
Funny to see all the stereotype stuff flying around here: “Fat people are lazy.” “Fat people think they’re victims.” “Fat people try to claim special rights.” Etc… I would bet there’s an inverse relationship between a person’s age and his/her tendency to over-stereotype other people.

Translation: It’s the younger guys that have it all figured out!! Or at least think they do… (oops, did I just stereotype?)

That said, chronically overweight people tend to get on my nerves a little, too. Mainly because I’m an FFB myself, and it gets annoying to see people go year after year after year deceiving themselves into thinking/hoping that there’s a silver bullet or magic pill out there for their weight problem. There isn’t.

And then there are the yo-yo people: They actually lose weight, look and feel better, and then a couple of months later the weight is back on, sometimes more than before. I have one friend who is the most committed, hardcore guy there is when it comes to losing weight.

He can diet and exercise off 100 pounds and so impress the community that he’s asked to teach classes and give talks. He’s good at dropping weight like this because he’s done it at least half a dozen times in the ten years that I’ve known him. I don’t even know where he is in the brutal cycle at the moment: losing his 100 pounds or putting it back on…

As for me, I’ve been guilty of all of the above. I was in pretty good shape (though not much muscle; just low BF) when I met my wife. After we got married, we both had a ten-year honeymoon with each other and with Dairy Queen. Then I’d had enough (of Dairy Queen, not my wife), so I went to work trying to figure out how to get healthy.

For the first few years, it was just solving the amazing riddle of losing the fat (which turned out not to be a riddle at all, but “eat healthy and exercise” just doesn’t sink in easily once one makes it to 250 pounds of pure fat). For the last few years, my focus has been on adding muscle.

An equally staggering challenge for me, and, again, because I tend to over-complicate things. Really, I only very, very recently figured out that I actually need to eat MORE if I want to add muscle!! Imagine that…

But here’s the interesting thing: In the midst of all of this (getting terribly fat; taking forever to figure out how to undo the damage; spending several years more just trying to get a simple plan for adding muscle; etc.)

I was going to school and earning a 4.0 GPA and a Master’s degree in international business; I was building a very successful business that hasn’t even really been hurt by this current economy; and engaging in all sorts of other VERY DIFFICULT AND CHALLENGING intellectual pursuits. I don’t think anyone has ever called me lazy, except me, and I’ve never been a victim of anything except myself.

I was lazy physically for awhile there – actually, more irresponsible than lazy, and choosing to focus my efforts and energy on non-physical things.

Now, I’m miraculously applying my energy and efforts to both areas: intellectual and physical. It can – and should – be done!! How many people do the reverse of what I did – they focus all their efforts and energy on physical pursuits (like bodybuilding) and are negligent in other areas (like school and work)?

Just a thought next time anyone is tempted to throw around overly-simplistic judgments of overweight people or anyone else who is struggling with something…

Why is it, that when the show The Biggest Loser comes on, those who are massively overweight and plagued with illness, are THEN able to get off their ass and try to lose weight? It’s not about their ability to start working out, it’s that they are NOW willing to TRY. If it takes winning $250k to get people off their ass and begin a program where they eat right and exercise, then YES I will call them lazy. You have people who have sleep apnea who wear masks at night to help them breathe, while taking every pill under the sun, yet STILL willing to finally bust ass. LAZY.

Don’t bother with that excuse of their desire to get healthy and live a long life. BULLSHIT. That idea was present before the show, and will be there after the show. Then they have this epiphany, you know, where they break down and cry and see that they actually CAN do this eat right/workout thing. They always could, it was the money that was the catalyst to get them off their ass to even try.

BTW - the winners of last seasons show were the 2 oldest people, still think the average chunky isn’t lazy? [/quote]

I have a lot of issues with That Show. But I know the money isn’t the reason people want to get on. The pressure of EVERYONE watching (and the support that comes with it) is the true lure.

[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
I have a lot of issues with That Show. But I know the money isn’t the reason people want to get on. The pressure of EVERYONE watching (and the support that comes with it) is the true lure.[/quote]

Do you actually know that though?

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
bABoon wrote:

Also, the fantasy feeders forum was horrifying. The shrink told me that most obese people are not pleased with the way they look. I bought it, until I read that.

I’m with you on that forum being revolting. However, like many fringe elements, it represents a small fraction of the population.[/quote]

Good point.

Devils advocate here, but do you guys have the same hatred towards people who are alcoholics, or drug addicts? Similar to obesity, it is very hard to get sober or ‘thinner’. Imagine if you were 250 pounds of fat… no muscle, no cardiovascular… getting up a flight of stairs might give you a heart-attack.

Obesity is really a shitty situation because not only is it extremely unhealthy like drug addiction, there is a huge social stigma because you can’t hide the fact that you are fat.

How do people get there in the first place? That is what needs to be addressed the most. I think parents should be held accountable for how they raise their kids. If you are buying liters of soda, not cooking for your family, and letting your children spend all day on their asses playing video games, you are a destroying your children’s chances of living a healthy life. That is borderline child-abuse and neglect in my opinion.

[quote]dtheyer wrote:
Devils advocate here, but do you guys have the same hatred towards people who are alcoholics, or drug addicts? [/quote]

LOL @ “hatred”. I don’t HATE morbidly obese people…and YES, I would consider them pretty much the same as someone who knows crack isn’t good for you but gets hooked on it somehow anyway.

[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
Professor X wrote:
beachguy498 wrote:
Do they think that these people choose to be morbidly obese?

Gee…YES, some of them DO choose to be morbidly obese.

Go educate yourself. You don’t get to be morbidly obese by accident unless there is some serious disease process occurring.

There is an entire subculture that TRIES to get even fatter with some having the specific goal of becoming so fat that they can live off of disability checks for the rest of their life.

In fact, please show me the person that got be over 400lbs BY ACCIDENT.

You don’t have to be fat to fake disability. I’m surrounded by disability fakers at home and at work, and they come in every conceivable shape and form. My neighbor lives on disability. His wife goes to work every day, busts her tail, while he heads out to play golf. I know this because I’ve seen him bend his tall slender form towards the trunk of his car as he throws in his golf clubs. Whom do we go after in this scenario? The slender guy faking disability, living off the taxpayers? Or the fat wife who works hard every day at her job, who then comes home to care for her family, including a gaggle of grandchildren? Perhaps someone has you targeted for harassment?

As for people TRYING to get fat for any reason, I think the term “SUBculture” says it all. [/quote]

Really? Maybe we just aren’t aware of how many of these people there really are. I seriously doubt most are going to advertise publicly that they get a woody from seeing an extra fold of skin in the mirror. It would, however, go a long way towards explaining how so many people literally force feed themselves into immobility.

I believe many of these cases are psychological. There has to be some mental issue present in that guy I saw on cable who was so fat he couldn’t walk but ate more food daily than most whole families do on thanksgiving and has a bucket rigged outside his window so he can lower money down to the delivery guy bringing his POUNDS of Chinese food and so he can haul the food back up…you know, instead of trying to move and go outside.

This fetish component is one that is hardly televised or discussed openly…so how could you possibly know the numbers?

Maybe this alone is why there are so many. No one accidentally eats until they can’t move.

It isn’t like one day they could walk…but then that last double cheeseburger just pushed them over the edge.

“I think I’ll just have one more…dozen donuts. OH SNAP, I can’t move!!!”

Prof, you should do standup. I think your act would be hilarious. I’m serious.