Starting with you?
Another pattern I’ve noticed from you is that when your logic starts to breakdown, you either go on the attack or start trying to divert down tangents.
Sure. Good luck.
I’m not into kids.
I don’t think anyone here complained about dead bedrooms.
If by ‘prudish’ you mean ‘aversion to blatant whoredom’, I probably fit that bill. Strangely, I wasn’t averse to this kind of behavior when I actually had a dead bedroom.
Unrestricted licentiousness has societal consequences. Consequences I would benefit from personally, but most men would suffer from. Does that make me care? No.
But I don’t want my daughter growing up around a gaggle of trollops trying to convince her that sleeping with random dudes is acceptable or ‘normal’.
I do and will continue to do everything in my power to raise her right, but environment undoubtedly plays a role in a child’s outcome. I can only control so much in a society that thinks female “empowerment” means getting to sleep with whoever you want, whenever you want, with no consequences.
Specifically though, part of your comment RE prudishness and dead bedrooms - you are correct that these two can be related. I mentioned it earlier in the thread but it seems to have gone to the wayside.
It is common that guys end up caste-ing women into one of two buckets - Madonna or Whore. Cue Madonna/Whore Complex.
It’s hard to look at the woman who matters to you most in the world, particularly when she’s pregnant, and think that she wants to get down and dirty. I get it.
But most women don’t fall into either the Madonna or Whore bucket, usually somewhere in between. Dudes just have a tendency to make it binary because simple=good 
It has been a contributing to dead bedrooms before, and it’s worth discussing on this topic.
And I don’t think most men want the women in their lives to be either one.
I don’t think they want that to happen either, I’m saying that it does happen. It happens enough to even give it it’s own term.
Why do you have to “yeah but” everything, dude?
Why do you get mad when someone agrees with you? And it wasn’t a yeah but but an in addition.
When you play contrarian 95% of the time, the 5% often gets mistaken as contrarian.
I don’t make the rules 
" You can’t truly call yourself “peaceful” unless you’re capable of great violence, if you’re not capable of violence you’re not peaceful, you’re harmless." I think I heard Jordan Peterson state this, and it kind of set with me.
So I agree with you 100%.
On another note, 24 years married to the hottest most beautiful woman in the world. It wasn’t always great, but we have grown together. My wife understands my needs and I try real hard to understand hers. We have quickies for me, and longies for her. But someone said it earlier, but I will put in my own words, give your spouse attention, when they talk, look at them, and pay attention. It will do wonders in the evening.
Bry
Just speaking from my own experiences, and thinking about my own thinking here. Being in a position of being in a monogamous relationship and being someone who could do well (I am not trying to come off as bragging, I certainly wouldn’t be top of the heap, but I am also not invisible to women) with women (if we are talking about sex with multiple women type of stuff), seeing this type of behavior can make me feel resentful, that I am missing out. The thrill aspect along with the ego boost that goes with it I suppose.
I suppose the reality of it is that it is likely a grass is always greener type of thing. I don’t think I have it in me to play women for sex, or knowing they have different intentions than I do. I’d feel a lot of guilt about that type of behavior, but I still feel jealous of the men that do this, and I bad for the women it happens to.
Women don’t have to be played for casual sex. They like it too. Discretion though, is almost always a must.
I was weighing whether I feel this way, too (is this a people thing rather than a man/woman thing) and I don’t. But it occurred to me that I most definitely feel that way about other things. Eating is one. Why can’t I just relax and enjoy all the tasty food? Like, I’ll look over at a woman eating a big pile of something delicious and then look at the broiled fish I chose and feel deprived and jealous. I go through spells of feeling that way about getting up early to work out. But I want the many benefits of being in good shape. I do feel really wistful about it sometimes, though. Like, these people are living a whole different existence from mine. And it’s a choice. Mostly I feel good and very happy about the way I live. There ABSOLUTELY are benefits, and I know overweight, sickly people envy me my fitness. But sometimes I envy the freedom they have from a critical self who reads and reads and reads about the bad things that happen to people who live the other way and the good things that happen to people who order the stupid broiled fish and set the alarm an hour earlier than it needs to be.
I was bs’ing with my one brother about food, eating, and just stuff in general.
He was pissed off about a guy at work that gave him a tip on a “good” place to eat. The guy said “Oh, yeah! Its great! Their portions are huge. Like I could barely finish.”. And this guy was a big dump of a man.
He goes on to say “You know what? I’m never taking restaurant tips from fat people again. They don’t give a crap how food tastes, as long as there’s a lot of it.”.
I remarked that I think he’s on to something. Like theres places that serve big, and places that serve good, but rarely are there places that serve both.
I love a good broiled fish. Especially salmon.
So with all that being said, I’ll call a moratorium on posting fresh baked bread pics until after June 1st in support of your goals.
I feel this way about basically everything in my life (“why can’t I just not care about grades?”, “why can’t I just stay up with friends”)
I just see it as maximising utility. I just happen to discount future disutility less. I might feel crappy now, but the pain of feeling even crappier later stops me
This might be a hot take, but I think that, to some extent, partners are accessories- just like designer bags, gold watches or fancy cars.
They signal ability and status
Any studs here employ the “10 second kiss” on occasion to keep their ladies on edge?
The 10 second kiss isn’t about initiating sex. I consider “foreplay” to start as soon as sex ends. The best foreplay, IMO is “coquetting” (sexual push-pull).
- Use one arm to grab your woman by the waist, and pull her in close.
- Look her in the eyes. Give her “the bedroom look”.
- Use the other hand to bring her face to yours (you’re pulling her into you). I do this by holding the back of the neck, her chin, back of her head, etc.
- Make out with her for about 10 seconds.
- YOU end the kiss. YOU let go of her. YOU walk away from her (if she let’s you).
I like to put my hands on my wife’s waist/hips and moving myself away from her.
-if she tries pulling me back in, i say “maybe later” as a tease.
-if she doesn’t try pulling me back in, i say “okay, you can go now” as if I were kindly dismissing an employee.
(Remember, push-pull!)
*works well when they’re going on and on about their day after work.
**works well when they’re stressing out about something or doing housework. (I particularly like this one because now shes not thinking about her stress)
***sometimes it’s fun to swap the waist grab in step 1 with holding her against the wall, or pulling her in close, then walking her to a wall - the look in step 2 can be more of a “im taking you” than a “I want you” (might want to make sure thats not out of character for you first)
It works best if you don’t initiate right afterwards. Let the sexual tension build up.
In other news, the DHB im taking has certainly improved an already overactive sex drive 
I know. I think I’d have a tough time navigating it.
I recommend at least bending a couple of rules here and there. 
The pain will keep you in check if you go too far.
Take a day off and be selfish with it. Everything you do that day serves you, in a fun in the moment kind of way, not planning for tomorrow to again plan for the next day.
I bet you’ll find nothing burned down, and you had a good time.
There are things that sound much better than they turn out to be…