[quote]CDoogies problem is that Francis name is being used as a door mat which is undeserved. Buddy Morrison has stated unequivocally that Davies told him that he coached Ben…
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I went to the Francis site when I finally found out which low-life cum-breathed bastards were yakkin’ smack about Coach D. and I couldn’t get in to see anything. But I did get to see a bunch of neat shit on Google when I was looking for it…let’s see…there were words like “shamed coach” and “discredited” and “canker sore on the anus of humanity”…(well okay I made up the last one.
But still.
Buddy Morrison…was he one of the original Monkees?
BTW, we’ve already been emailed and told that you and doogie have this built up as a new conspiracy on other forums. Nice try. The T-Nation black helicopters are on the way.
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I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. I just think it is a chickenshit way to go about things. Are you saying Charlie Francis is free to post his opinion of Davies here?
[quote]Chris Aus wrote:
Yeah but people here cant read the responses being made over at the other sites… [/quote]
Why would people here need to? Just about everyone here has a brain that actually works, dude! We measure by results, and Coach D gives us results. If these other people wanna yappity yap, they should have fun with it.
Besides, any of us here can probably manage to surf over and see what’s going on. If we managed to get this far on the net we can go a little ways further, doncha think?
(although, I’d much rather accept TC and Shugs’ words at face value, and unquestioningly obey…!)
Well, regardless of what other coaches say about Coach Davies, or how many trolls try to start fires here or on other sites, I for one am 100% behind Coach. I used his programs for hockey for 30 weeks and the results were amazing. I have also trained with him a dozen or so times, and he was always a stand-up guy. The internet is a great thing, but one of it’s drawbacks is it allows anyone to be heard, even if they aren’t saying anything intelligent.
This is getting lame. Look, you can rip on CF’s forum being unmoderated, however many posts have been censored here by moderators. So some voices are not being heard. I have no problem censoring the pointless posts like “davies is stupid” because they are just filler and instigating BS. But you cant claim that unmoderated is bad, then censor the other sides voice.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. I just think it is a chickenshit way to go about things. Are you saying Charlie Francis is free to post his opinion of Davies here?
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Removing announcements about upcoming posts that are no longer relevant is chickenshit? And making sure those who’d posted on the thread had copies so they could re-post them if they wanted? Um, okay.
And yes, Charlie Francis is welcome to repond here. I asked him to back when he was raging against Charles Staley but instead he screamed a lot and threatened to sue us. He’ll need to let us know if he wants to respond in the Think Tank area though because only current contribs can respond there and we’ll need to get his name in the system.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Chris Aus wrote:
Yeah but people here cant read the responses being made over at the other sites…
Why would people here need to? Just about everyone here has a brain that actually works, dude! We measure by results, and Coach D gives us results. If these other people wanna yappity yap, they should have fun with it.
Besides, any of us here can probably manage to surf over and see what’s going on. If we managed to get this far on the net we can go a little ways further, doncha think?
(although, I’d much rather accept TC and Shugs’ words at face value, and unquestioningly obey…!)[/quote]
You say that everyone can just surf over there but then say that you couldnt actually access his site… Im not following…
Anyway, what results does davies actually achieve?
Can you compare them to Francis who is one of the most influential authors in athletic training? How many 9.8 runners has Davies coached? What results exactly do you speak of?
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Damn, so FIFA told Davies to coach Maradona? Does the NFL do this also? I mean, are they going to call up Thibadeau to train Larry Fitzgerald?
I don’t believe Davies has been honest about this whole affair. I also feel a little disappointed in the way TC busted this out: “We’re not sure why anyone would lie about claiming to train an embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”
This statement coming from a website which publishes articles about the same anabolics that Ben Johnson used. It’s damn hypocritical.[/quote]
I said the “general public regards it as a disgrace.” Not us. Big difference.
And believe me, FIFA does not operate like the NFL. They are a hugely political animal.
This is hugely fun, but both sides have to remember that the circumstances being discussed took place a long time ago and those that like Charlie are going to believe Charlie and those that like John are going to believe John.
Only two men know the truth: Charlie and John.
If Charlie’s methodologies have worked for you, that’s fantastic. If John’s stuff has helped you, that’s great.
That should be the bottom line. I admit I’m a little predjudiced, but it’s only because Charlie has flown off the handle with so many people that I call friends.
[quote]Atomic Dog wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Damn, so FIFA told Davies to coach Maradona? Does the NFL do this also? I mean, are they going to call up Thibadeau to train Larry Fitzgerald?
I don’t believe Davies has been honest about this whole affair. I also feel a little disappointed in the way TC busted this out: “We’re not sure why anyone would lie about claiming to train an embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”
This statement coming from a website which publishes articles about the same anabolics that Ben Johnson used. It’s damn hypocritical.
I said the “general public regards it as a disgrace.” Not us. Big difference.
And believe me, FIFA does not operate like the NFL. They are a hugely political animal.
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Either way, I wish I had the knowledge Francis has to have trained “[the] embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”, known in the “hardcore underground” as Ben Johnson aka
The Fastest Man The World Has Ever Seen
I certainly see some motive in lying about being his handler, don’t you? (hint: $)
Now whether Davies did or did not is speculation, although many men have claimed to have heard the words come from his mouth.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
CDoogies problem is that Francis name is being used as a door mat which is undeserved. Buddy Morrison has stated unequivocally that Davies told him that he coached Ben…
I went to the Francis site when I finally found out which low-life cum-breathed bastards were yakkin’ smack about Coach D. and I couldn’t get in to see anything. But I did get to see a bunch of neat shit on Google when I was looking for it…let’s see…there were words like “shamed coach” and “discredited” and “canker sore on the anus of humanity”…(well okay I made up the last one.
But still.
Buddy Morrison…was he one of the original Monkees?[/quote]
oh come on dude. just because he got scapegoated for supposedly “telling his athletes to use steroids”? you are using information out of context.
Either way, I wish I had the knowledge Francis has to have trained “[the] embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”, known in the “hardcore underground” as Ben Johnson aka
The Fastest Man The World Has Ever Seen
I certainly see some motive in lying about being his handler, don’t you? (hint: $)
Now whether Davies did or did not is speculation, although many men have claimed to have heard the words come from his mouth. [/quote]
I agree that Ben Johnson, with or without the drugs, was a candidate for the greatest athlete of the 20th century. Kudos to Francis in this regard.
As far as the financial gains, Davies has long made a lot of money dealing with high school football programs and hosting soccer camps and stuff like that. If any parent or soccer mom did a search and saw his name associated with BJ and the steroids case, it would hurt him financially.
All I know is this, Coach Davies is one of the most standup guys I have ever met. When I was getting ready for a pro tryout he sent me a program and gave me feedback over the phone numerous times, even going so far as to drive 5 hours out of his way when he was in the midwest to stop by to see me and critique my form. After all this I had the best tryout I could ever have hoped to have, I ran faster, jumped higher, and benched more than I ever had before while being bigger and leaner than when I played in college. On a S & C level results speak for themselves. Period. On a personal level I would invite the man to my wedding if I thought he would come to the armpit of Iowa to attend.
[quote]oboffill wrote:
Damn, so FIFA told Davies to coach Maradona? Does the NFL do this also? I mean, are they going to call up Thibadeau to train Larry Fitzgerald?
I don’t believe Davies has been honest about this whole affair. I also feel a little disappointed in the way TC busted this out: “We’re not sure why anyone would lie about claiming to train an embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”
This statement coming from a website which publishes articles about the same anabolics that Ben Johnson used. It’s damn hypocritical.[/quote]
Your missing the point he was trying to make. I sure most, if not all T-Nation contribs will agree that with or without steroids Ben was still a great runner and CF did a great job with him. The point TC was making is that the general, uneducated public only see’s one thing when they look at Ben, and that is a “cheater”. Therefore, anyone who is associated with him also gets labelled as a cheater. If they are a coach, their methods may seem less credible because Ben took steroids. Going with that logic, TC is saying it would not be wise for JD to try to associate himself with a situation like that, therefore the claims being made against him are illogical.
Now, I am not pretending to know what really happend or was said, however, it was clear you needed to understand what TC was trying to say before you accuse anyone of hipocracy.
[quote]fastken77 wrote:
All I know is this, Coach Davies is one of the most standup guys I have ever met. When I was getting ready for a pro tryout he sent me a program and gave me feedback over the phone numerous times, even going so far as to drive 5 hours out of his way when he was in the midwest to stop by to see me and critique my form. After all this I had the best tryout I could ever have hoped to have, I ran faster, jumped higher, and benched more than I ever had before while being bigger and leaner than when I played in college. On a S & C level results speak for themselves. Period. On a personal level I would invite the man to my wedding if I thought he would come to the armpit of Iowa to attend. [/quote]
[quote]Tags wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Damn, so FIFA told Davies to coach Maradona? Does the NFL do this also? I mean, are they going to call up Thibadeau to train Larry Fitzgerald?
I don’t believe Davies has been honest about this whole affair. I also feel a little disappointed in the way TC busted this out: “We’re not sure why anyone would lie about claiming to train an embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”
This statement coming from a website which publishes articles about the same anabolics that Ben Johnson used. It’s damn hypocritical.
Your missing the point he was trying to make. I sure most, if not all T-nation contribs will agree that with or without steroids Ben was still a great runner and CF did a great job with him. The point TC was making is that the general, uneducated public only see’s one thing when they look at Ben, and that is a “cheater”. Therefore, anyone who is associated with him also gets labelled as a cheater. If they are a coach, their methods may seem less credible because Ben took steroids. Going with that logic, TC is saying it would not be wise for JD to try to associate himself with a situation like that, therefore the claims being made against him are illogical.
Now, I am not pretending to know what really happend or was said, however, it was clear you needed to understand what TC was trying to say before you accuse anyone of hipocracy. [/quote]
Tags it was never said that he publicized it just that he mentioned it to Buddy Morris when applying for a Job…
How soccer mums would find out about that is beyond me…
[quote]Tags wrote:
oboffill wrote:
Damn, so FIFA told Davies to coach Maradona? Does the NFL do this also? I mean, are they going to call up Thibadeau to train Larry Fitzgerald?
I don’t believe Davies has been honest about this whole affair. I also feel a little disappointed in the way TC busted this out: “We’re not sure why anyone would lie about claiming to train an embarrassing drug cheat (in the general public’s eyes)”
This statement coming from a website which publishes articles about the same anabolics that Ben Johnson used. It’s damn hypocritical.
Your missing the point he was trying to make. I sure most, if not all T-Nation contribs will agree that with or without steroids Ben was still a great runner and CF did a great job with him. The point TC was making is that the general, uneducated public only see’s one thing when they look at Ben, and that is a “cheater”. Therefore, anyone who is associated with him also gets labelled as a cheater. If they are a coach, their methods may seem less credible because Ben took steroids. Going with that logic, TC is saying it would not be wise for JD to try to associate himself with a situation like that, therefore the claims being made against him are illogical.
Now, I am not pretending to know what really happend or was said, however, it was clear you needed to understand what TC was trying to say before you accuse anyone of hipocracy. [/quote]
Im not understanding… How would soccer mums etc ever find out what Davies said to another coach when applying for a job?