boy, gatti was simply outclassed on saturday. i felt bad for him, he is a real gutsy warrior and fun to watch, but floyd just took it to him. i think we all knew deep down that floyd would whoop him, but were pulling for gatti because he is a class act and a warrior, compared to the trash talking PBF. where do you think floyd goes from here? there is talk of fighting hatton (although i’d prefer a rematch with kostya with a ref that doesn’t allow wwf wrestling tactics) and some rumors of a possible matchup with zab judah.
[quote]SKman wrote:
I didn’t like the trash talking before the fight, but I think it’s fair to say Floyd made a strong case that he is #1 PFP.[/quote]
that is totally fair. PFP rankings are really open to interpretation, however if you put floyd’s resume against b-hops there is no comparison with the class of opponents. nard has dominated a weak division (not his fault, and beating blown up welters like tito and oscar doesn’t really look all that great), while floyd has fought some of the best out there including guys in the top 10 PFP.
I was very depressed by that whole fight on Saturday. Unfortunately, “Rocky” just aint real and the good guy doesnt always win. Props to Mayweather though, because he is amazing, and deserves all the credit he’s getting. I’ve never seen Gatti dominated like that…although I give him credit now as one of the toughest men to ever walk into the ring. Watching a guy get pounded for 6 rounds like that and be willing to come out again, that takes heart.
(sorry fellas, this is a fellow Jersey Italian that was really pulling for Gatti).
Makes you wonder if Rocky would have beaten Apollo at all if it were real…
On a different note: Roy Jones says he wants three more fights. He says he wants the winner of the Traver/Johnson fight(which Tarver won), then Bernard Hopkins, then Vitale Klitscho(sp). Hokins said he also wants the fight with Jones. Do you think Jones would be able to pull off this threepeat?
[quote]gladiatorsteer wrote:
On a different note: Roy Jones says he wants three more fights. He says he wants the winner of the Traver/Johnson fight(which Tarver won), then Bernard Hopkins, then Vitale Klitscho(sp). Hokins said he also wants the fight with Jones. Do you think Jones would be able to pull off this threepeat?[/quote]
I think Jones will stay retired. I thought he was looking good in the 2nd Tarver fight until he got caught. Against Johnson he seemed hesitant and afraid to let his hands go. Jones is a shot fighter, not physically, but mentally. I think that Hopkins will beat Taylor and he will be the one moving up to fight Tarver.
I’m a be big fan of Jones jr., but I gotta say that I think the guy is done. I hope he proves me wrong and makes a great comeback. The loss to Tarver could be chalked up to a ‘one-time’ lucky punch, but the his fight with Johnson was one of the most pathetic performances I’ve even seen by a top level guy. He ran scared round after round from a guy was not even in Jones’ league.
Glen Johnson by his own admission is ‘not the best’. For Jones to get embarrassed like that is a sign that he should celebrate his great career as it stands and keep on as a fight commentator - I’d hate to see him wind up like Tyson!
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just wanted to comment on the fact that Sam Peter had another KO victory last night. He looks a little one dimensional, but maybe having power in both hands will be enough to make some noise in the current Heavyweight division.
Free Ike Ibeabuchi
Was watching “tuesday night fights” on espn2 last night & saw a guy that’s from Mass. where two other famous boxer came from. Rocky M & Hearns or Haglar not sure. Anyways, the guy is pretty quick & looks decent. What do u guys know about him? And is he any good?
Also saw Chavez Jr. before the Gatti/Mayweather fight & he looks impressive! What do u guys think??
AND, does Sweet Pea still fight??? I thought he was done a long time ago but swear I saw something on him still fighting! I use to live in Va.Bch near him & he’s the shit up there. Was always trying to outrun the police in his car! Hahahah!
And will Hatton & Tszyu fight again soon, this yr??
[quote]BRUCELEEWANNABE wrote:
Was watching “tuesday night fights” on espn2 last night & saw a guy that’s from Mass. where two other famous boxer came from. Rocky M & Hearns or Haglar not sure. Anyways, the guy is pretty quick & looks decent. What do u guys know about him? And is he any good?[/quote]
Not sure who you’re talking about. Do you remember his name? What weightclass? Rocky Marciano was from Brockton Mass, Hearns is from Detroit, not sure about Hagler, I thought he was from Philly.
Jr. has potential, but he is being matched very carefully. The kid has pretty much no amateur experience and needs a lot more fights before he steps it up.
No. As far as I know he does not still fight. Age, but also a cocaine habit KO’d his career a long time ago. That being said, he was over the hill and a coke addict and I STILL think he beat De La Hoya when they fought. Imagine Oscar throwing a five punch combination and missing every shot… BEAUTIFUL!
I doubt it. My guess is that Tszyu will retire.
Did a quick search and found out that Hagler is from Brockton too.
JC jr. is being brought along slowly like SK said. he has a little while to go before he is ready for the top echelon.
tsyzu is being urged by his family and trainer to retire. this will most likely happen. he has also scheduled a press conference sometime this month (can’t remember the date)…so all things point to retirement. although now that hatton has fired frank warren, maybe he’ll make good on his promise of a rematch.
time for a quick poll boxing fans…
who are your top 5 favorite fighters? a currently active list, and an all-time list.
current:
- Erik morales
- Kostya Tsyzu (please don’t retire)
- Juan Manuel Marquez
- Winky Wright
- Roy Jones Jr. (would be #1, but is mentally shot)
All-time:
- Roy Jones Jr.
- Marvin Hagler
- Juilo Cesar Chavez Sr. (unbeatable in any era @ 130 and 135)
- Evander holyfield
- Kostya Tsyzu
Good list! Here’s mine. I assume you mean favorite to watch not necessarily a top five P4P.
Current:
- Marco Antonio Barrera
- Kostya Tszyu
- Shane Mosley
- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
- Diego Corrales (this was close, other considerations were Ike Quartey, Arturo Gatti, Eric Morales and Manny Pacquiao)
I didn’t include Jones Jr. because I don’t consider him an active fighter.
All-time:
- Evander Holyfield (please retire)
- Marvin Hagler
- Roy Jones Jr.
- Roberto Duran
- Azuma Nelson
yeah i meant favorite to watch, not PFP or necessarily the most skilled.
two fighters i should have put on both lists are micky ward and ricardo mayorga…i like badass, tough s.o.b’s even if they are limited skill wise. great to watch!
[quote]SKman wrote:
Did a quick search and found out that Hagler is from Brockton too.[/quote]
Yah the guy I saw the other night is actually not from there but is now training out of there with Hearns’s old trainer I believe. But he said he hoping to come out of there big like the ones before him.
He’s black guy from Canada I believe. He looks damn good too! Very quick hands!
[quote]juice20jd wrote:
yeah i meant favorite to watch, not PFP or necessarily the most skilled.
two fighters i should have put on both lists are micky ward and ricardo mayorga…i like badass, tough s.o.b’s even if they are limited skill wise. great to watch![/quote]
Yah Ward was badass & super nice guy! Good he retired. Don’t wanna see him have any health problems. What a cool guy & GREAT fighter!
[quote]BRUCELEEWANNABE wrote:
SKman wrote:
Did a quick search and found out that Hagler is from Brockton too.
Yah the guy I saw the other night is actually not from there but is now training out of there with Hearns’s old trainer I believe. But he said he hoping to come out of there big like the ones before him.
He’s black guy from Canada I believe. He looks damn good too! Very quick hands!
[/quote]
Was his name Ian “The Cobra” Gardner?
Here’s another question for those who might be interested.
Is anyone here interested enough in women’s boxing to watch the upcoming Martin vs. Rjiker PPV? What if it happened 10 years ago when they were actually in their prime?
hopkins vs. taylor coming up soon. what do you guys think?
i give b-hops credit for the 20 defenses, the 12 years unbeaten and for being a very intelligent and skilled fighter.
i think taylor is the biggest test he has had in ages…
for the most part, hopkins has lived off of C class fighters in a very weak division (not his fault, he beats his mandatories)…there are a few exceptions like echols and vanderpool, but they are still B class fighters at best. trinidad is not an overly impressive win considering how one dimensional he is (we saw that with winky) and the fact that he is a blown up welter. de la hoya had no business at middleweight, period. so really, hops has had it relatively easy…don’t get me wrong, you still have to be the man to win 20 straight and go undefeated for 12 years…but taylor is not a C class fighter or a tamato can mandatory.
taylor has all the tools to beat hopkins. i’m just not sure who takes this…leaning towards taylor, but won’t make the call just yet.
It’s funny, I’ve been starting to lean towards taylor too. I agree with your assesment of Hopkins’ level of opposition, not a lot of world class fighters in that group. That being said, I think Bernard wins a close decision. He might have to survive a knockdown or something along the way though.