good question, i did for a long time, but after talking to lots of guys who actually fight or have fought professionally, most say that after about 190-200lbs, the size makes less of a difference(as far as knockout power) as you go up. i found it hard to believe, but i have heard this from too many people with ring experience to discount it.
what i mean is that a smaller guy, like a lightweight or welterweight, their body frame/structure is significantly smaller than that of a guy in a higher weight class, and by sheer physics, pack less of a punch. that is why in so many lighter weight class fights, you can see the smaller guys teeing off on each others heads without a KO.
but after about 200lbs, the frame of a light heavy or cruiser, should not be so much smaller than that of a real big man that a good shot on the chin could not put the bigger guy out.
what i am i saying?
pac man probably could NOT KO pavlic or chad dawson, no matter how many free shots he got on the skull,
BUT a blown up big middleweight or light heavy like b-hop or RJJ could put a big a heavy to sleep with a good punch on the button.
how the physical size difference plays into defense like clinching and leaning on your opponent i dont know. to me as an observer, seems like still a big disadvantage to the smaller guys.
Also, boxing has TOO FUCKING MANY WEIGHT CLASSES as it is now. no need for anymore.
hmmph! boxing gets no love around here, all the way down page two, i find my beloved thread.
well, everyone who was ready to hump david “hypemaker” haye’s leg inthe hopes he was the savior of the heavyweight division, how about “fast” eddie chambers??? looked good against sam peter a few months ago, and last weekend, showed up at a lean AND ready 208lbs, and beat the brakes of alexander dmitrko(sp?) a huge (6’8" 250lb) top 10 contender with an undefeated 27-0 record. not too bad. fast eddie showed excellent defence, a big gas tank, lots of head movement and a great variety of punches from all angles. true, this opponent is no Wlad K., but looks like americans and boxing fans in general have an real exiting heavyweight contender to get behind, somebody who actually has been proving himself in the heavyweight division.
I am a boxing fan… but lately not so much, I have not followed or watched- regularly- enough
and it seems most of the guys I like are winding down- or should be.
I also cant get with some of the newer guys, too much drama
and too confusing- when you loose touch
I work with a few pro boxers-two are from the mid 90’s
Seamus Mcdonagh who fought Holyfield a guy named Freddie Liboratore , and a woman named Jill Emmery
she won the IFBA Welterweight World Title , we talk training /boxing all day when we catch up.
Its hard to follow what always current with boxing
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I didn’t see the fight but I read about it. He looked good I hear.
I’m still all about Arreola… I’d love to see him bust that glass jaw of Wlad’s.[/quote]
nipples is just big/skilled/aggressive enough to catch wlad early, but i still think wlad wins that fight. the point is moot though, wlad more than likely is going to take chambers as his next manditory, a great matchup for him, as wlad eats smaller, slick boxer/punchers alive(see chriss bird).
sad for nipples, but looks like vitaly wants him, as it would be a big payday for both if they could make the fight in LA. V.K. has an iron chin, and loves to mix it up with aggressive fighters. at 6-8 and 250 lean muscle, his is much much bigger than the 6-4 and somewhat soft arreola. but i would buy that fight if it happens, it would be an exiting fight.
my log has been staying busy…you must not be watching that one to much! i have been having lots of success with wendlers 5/3/1 with my squat and deadlift.
got a pretty busy thread in PWI about health care, and i am about to be in a flame war with some guy over at get a life cuz he was insulting nurses( i am a trauma/ED nurse), lol.
ive been around. missed talking boxing with you. drop in the thread more often!
yes, vitali is in some ways a tougher opponent that wlad. a strong aggressive fighter will always have a punchers chance against wlad if they can bum rush him early. though vitali does not have the speed, footwork, or athleticism of his little bro, he is bigger, takes a punch well, and has a mean streak about a mile wide.
to this day i think he did not finish herbie hide early because he wanted to punish him longer.
unfortunately for vitali, he is getting old, and he is as always very injury prone. i am always surprised he makes it through a camp intact. AND as you and i know very well, fighters who are getting up there in age, can often look fine one fight, then the very next all of the sudden “get old”. and david haye might be a bad guy to get old in the ring with.
the big mouth small fisted David “hypemaker” Haye, has pulled out of a deal to fight V.K. and instead fight Valuev. twice ducking the Klitschko’s after running his big mouth nonstop and showing no class just to talk his way into a title fight he did not deserve.
If ANYONE on this board still thinks this little punk is the “savior” of the heavyweight division, they need to have their head examined.
Haye is/was what I suspected. He doesn’t really want to fight either of them because he will get his face crushed. Just trying to get his name out by calling out unpopular champs.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Haye is/was what I suspected. He doesn’t really want to fight either of them because he will get his face crushed. Just trying to get his name out by calling out unpopular champs. [/quote]
if vitali can make it through a training camp without injury, and not get “old” in the ring on fight night…i see this as an easy win for vitali. iron chin, never been down, fights tall, in shape all the time. it will be a good fight with bombs landing on both sides. i will buy this fight, no doubt. i think VK by mid round TKO.
Am reading Hands of Stone by Christian Giudice. Interesting Duran trivia #528: he had a half-Filipino half- sister. Imagine that…somewhere out there, there’s a kid with the Roberto family punch and Manny Pacquiao’s karaoke talents…
Btw, anybody catch the Donaire/Concepcion fight? I hear Nonito got a little ruffed up…
I think Freddie Roach and PacMan are full of shit. Either fight a legitmate WELTERWEIGHT fight and the title will be at stake otherwise, stick to the “catchweight” fight of 145 lbs. which they want so Cotto will be weight-drained otherwise let him come in at 147 at fight for the title.
They obviously don’t want Cotto’s best fight or else they would fight him at 147.
They want him to be weight drained, just like DLH was weight-drained.
Either man up at fight Cotto at 147 for the title or be happy with just getting the money at your catch weight.
You can’t have it both ways. It can’t be a 145 lb. catchweight fight and a (147 lb.) welterweight “title” fight.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Gotta get this off my chest:
Cotto-PacMan fight…
I think Freddie Roach and PacMan are full of shit. Either fight a legitmate WELTERWEIGHT fight and the title will be at stake otherwise, stick to the “catchweight” fight of 145 lbs. which they want so Cotto will be weight-drained otherwise let him come in at 147 at fight for the title.
They obviously don’t want Cotto’s best fight or else they would fight him at 147.
They want him to be weight drained, just like DLH was weight-drained.
Either man up at fight Cotto at 147 for the title or be happy with just getting the money at your catch weight.
You can’t have it both ways. It can’t be a 145 lb. catchweight fight and a (147 lb.) welterweight “title” fight.
This is the shit I hate about boxing.
Absofuckinglutely man.
I was so pissed to hear that they’re demanding Cotto put up his title. It’s a WELTERWEIGHT title- fight at WELTERWEIGHT, or don’t complain about not getting the fuckin WELTERWEIGHT title.
Roach is a dick and Pacman is severely overrated. I hope Cotto KO’s him. [/quote]
Me 2. I and agree about Pac being overrated.
Most superstar fighters like Mayweather, DLH, and now Pacman select carefully chosen fights that they can pad their record with and make big paydays. Meanwhile, nobody can take anything from Cotto, he’s a true warrior. He’s fought absolutely everyone there is to fight.
Neither Pacman nor Mayweather want to fight Mosley or Clottey or Williams. Cotto fought two of those 3.
Most superstar fighters like Mayweather, DLH, and now Pacman select carefully chosen fights that they can pad their record with and make big paydays. Meanwhile, nobody can take anything from Cotto, he’s a true warrior. He’s fought absolutely everyone there is to fight.
Neither Pacman nor Mayweather want to fight Mosley or Clottey or Williams. Cotto fought two of those 3.
True. Cotto’s a straight warrior. That’s why I like him, win or lose- he fights the toughest guys that NOBODY wants to fight- Margo, Moseley, Clottey, Judah, Quintana…
that’s another reason I think Cotto gonna win- he’s fought a lot of southpaws in the past and done really well with them. That left hook is gonna win the fight for him. Motherfucker can put down Clottey, he sure as shit can put down Pacman, who’s been KO’d at like 101 and up.[/quote]
I really enjoyed Magarito VS Cotto. It really put the zap on my head on just how much of a fucking cast iron jaw Magarito has - because Cotto hits like a freight train.
I’m definitely pulling for Cotto in the Pac fight and I do believe Cotto has more than a solid chance of putting him down.
Well I just finished watching the Lopez Luevano fight. Damn Juan manuel doesn’t mess about, he is quite a finisher. Am about to watch Gamboa vs Mtawa. Any predictions for when these two meet??
Gamboa impressed me more than juan-ma that night…not sure who the better “boxer” is, but Gamboa sure as hell has the faster hands of the 2 and also looks stronger.
ok, that was quick. I’ll be honest, I never saw Gamboa fight before. Where was he when Lopez was getting all the attention, sparking out de Leon (which meant nothing, i know)?
Well yeah anyway, he looks way stronger than lopez. I’m not sure i fancy juan ma’s chances…
Hmmm, I just finished watching the Valero DeMarco fight. Heh, am glad for ol Edwin and his pretty wife (how many times did the commentator repeat that?). It’s hard not to like him.
I do remember watching the Mosquera fight and like this one, I agree that Valero showed his best stuff as the fight actually progressed.
But I have to admit, I still found some of the comments about his defence a little too flattering. I mean it might have improved - there were signs of the shoulder roll and he was in and out - but am I being too harsh in saying that I thought it was still…well, shocking?
His hands were so low I was having kittens. Seriously, I don’t get it. Surely he is just waiting to get sparked out…