a good point the above article points out is how teddy atlas, will talk about the klitsckos opponents as world beaters and pick them to defeat them, THEN, when the klits lay down an epic beating, he trashes the same opponents he favored as bums. he is not the only one who does this.
the same people who picked peter and gomez to beat vitaly, now say they(peter and gomez) are bums and not worthy opponents.
good point, but the fact is, that there are not that many athletic, talented, and skilled big men in boxing right now, especially not with a solid amateur pedigree. by big men, i mean 6’4"-6’8" 240-260lbs. liston was 6’1" 220, fraizure 5’10"-5’11" 210, ali 6’2"215, foreman 6’4" 218-220.
they would be SMALL heavyweights today, but back then they usuall were much bigger than their opponents(cept for frazier). hell, today, they would be blown up cruizerweights.
think about it, an in shape 6-3 230lb gomez was continuoulsy being called “a smaller fighter” “fighting out of his class/division” by teddy atlas during the klitschko fight.
like you said, it is not the klits fault that most of the skilled opponents they face are much smaller, and the big guys they face are not as athletic or have the solid amateur degrees that they have.
lets face it, there are just not THAT many big, good men in boxing right now. its not the NBA, where freak athletic 6-7" 7’ guys grow on tress, lol.
I guess we’ll have to see how David Haye fares for the future of the heavyweight division.
lol irish…
to me this is a lose, lose, lose sit for klit.
after the fight, tell me this is not how it is going to go down:
scenario 1- klit easily dominates him, using his long jab to break haye down and size to clinch and tie him up when he gets close. this will lead to a late round KO. afterwords, they will say haye was a bum, no buisness fighting in the heavies, and klit is even more of a bum heavyweight because he could not take him out earlier with a more “exiting” style.
scenario 2- klit wins by a ugly UD, where his cautious style prevents a KO of the in shape and speedy haye, and everyone will say haye is a bum, and klit is a bigger bum for not being able to finish a smaller bum by KO.
scenario 3- haye wins, by early bum rush KO, and guess what? everone will say klit is a bum, got beat by a cruiser.
preface all this with the hype haye has coming in as the baddest MF on the planet that is going to clean up and save the heavyweight division. IF Klit wins, all the sudden haye will be diminished as a too small bum who got beat by a bigger bum.
funny how everyone pics klits opponents to beat him, and when he wins, those opponents all the sudden are “bums”
lol
i agree, areola has a lot to like, but i dont like his conditioning, at 230-240lbs, he is fat and soft, and does NOT have a big frame at all. he was a light heavyweight in the amateurs if i remember correctly. an in condition nightmare is probably a devastating cruiserweight, or a too small heavyweight.
Nipples is one of the best American heavyweights out there.
Have you guys seen his HBO special?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Corrosion wrote:
Nipples is one of the best American heavyweights out there.
Have you guys seen his HBO special?
No. When was that on?[/quote]
They’ve been doing a bunch recently on up-and-comers. They’re all on Youtube too, I think. Worth a watch, if you’re interested.
Nipples:
a little more about Cristobal areola, i just watched his fight with Mcline, and i saw him get hit flush with a straight 1-2 on the jaw, and also eat 3 left hooks. i dare say that Wlad has a much better left hook and straight 1-2 than this version of mcline, and IF chris gets caught with those same punches from Wlad, i think it will be a short night for the nightmare.
Just found this:
Its Ricky’s blog/diary for the Pac fight…
Hatton-Pac should be fight of the year.
I hate the current heavies. I think Aerola has heart…but I think Wlad K carves him up. I’ll watch it, mostly because I still think if you hurt WK early he loses the battle with self doubt.
[quote]Vicarious wrote:
Just found this:
Its Ricky’s blog/diary for the Pac fight…[/quote]
Hatton quote: Pacquiao has fought virtually all his fights in the lower weight classes and he will notice the difference against me. In between the weigh-in and fight night I will probably put on around 14lbs and expect to step into the ring significantly heavier than him.
That’s what scares me about Hatton. He plans on coming in at 154 the day of the fight. That’s a huge size advantage. That’s BJ Penn/GSP size difference.
I’m a Pac fan, but was a Hatton fan first, so I know what Hatton can bring to the table.
I’m hoping for a Pac win by split decision.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Hatton’s going to come in like a beast at around 155. Pacman has never felt the power and volume that Hatton brings out. It’s going to be ugly.
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True, Pac has never fought someone with the size, skills, and conditioning that Hatton has. But if Roach is weary of Hattons power, he’ll have a good game plan.
I definitely don’t see Pac winning by KO, but I see him by decision.
I was listening to a Freddy Roach interview on the radio.
He said that Pacquiao is stronger than Hatton.
I usually agree with what Roach say, and think he’s a good trainer…but I’m pretty sure he’s wrong about this.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Corrosion wrote:
I was listening to a Freddy Roach interview on the radio.
He said that Pacquiao is stronger than Hatton.
I usually agree with what Roach say, and think he’s a good trainer…but I’m pretty sure he’s wrong about this.
Even he doesn’t believe this.
When he was doing padwork with manny at the end of the first 24/7, he said, “don’t let him hit you.” He knows that Ricky has bigtime KO power, and that Manny will be open to it.
Ricky, on the other hand, will be fighting a fighter who has never really had a test above 130. A fighter who has been KO’d by nobodies, and by body shots (Ricky’s specialty).
The experts are all wrong- Ricky is going to KO him. [/quote]
The last time Pac got KO’d was in 99, 10 freakin years ago. Pac has gotten much better since then. And Pac would be stupid not to be weary of Hattons power.
But Hatton better be worried of not only Pacs speed, but if the ref will let Hatton brawl with him and tie him up. Think back to John Ruiz vs Roy Jones, the ref wouldn’t let Ruiz use those tactics and he lost. Heck, they didn’t let Hatton do that against Mayweather.
If Pac fights wisely and uses a similar gameplan that he used against DLH he can win by decision. If not, he can be KO’d.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
fnf wrote:
The last time Pac got KO’d was in 99, 10 freakin years ago. Pac has gotten much better since then. And Pac would be stupid not to be weary of Hattons power.
He is a better fighter, yes. But he doesn’t have granite in his chin, and Marquez very nearly KO’d him.
And one of those KO’s, as I recall, was from a body shot.
But Hatton better be worried of not only Pacs speed, but if the ref will let Hatton brawl with him and tie him up. Think back to John Ruiz vs Roy Jones, the ref wouldn’t let Ruiz use those tactics and he lost. Heck, they didn’t let Hatton do that against Mayweather.
If Pac fights wisely and uses a similar gameplan that he used against DLH he can win by decision. If not, he can be KO’d.
Angelo Dundee just said that Hatton has a good style for Pac because he’s going to take it to him, and not stand there and try to outbox him.
I think the style is great for Ricky.[/quote]
Hattons not invulnerable. He got KO’d by Mayweather (of course the best fighter pound for pound) so Hatton can be hurt. He also should have lost to Juan Lazcano, but the ref gave Hatton too much time to recover in that one round Hatton was hurt.
But Hatton scares me more than DLH because Hatton is bigger and stronger than Pac. So, I’m hopin for a Pac decision.
LOL at Wladamir “Bitchko”…has anyone seen Haye’s Klitchko brother’s t-shirt?
[quote]Corrosion wrote:
LOL at Wladamir “Bitchko”…has anyone seen Haye’s Klitchko brother’s t-shirt?[/quote]
Haha, yeah. It worked too. It looks like he finally got a rise out of “Bitchko”.
I don’t think there is anyway Hatton and Pac goes the distance. I don’t have any feel for who is going to win, but I don’t think there is going to be many jabs thrown. I don’t think Pac has the mentality to box when the other guy wants to brawl and Hatton always wants to brawl.
I hate W Klitscho. I haven’t see much of Haye…just highlights. But I think WK carves him up with the jab and takes him out in less then 5. I’m hoping Haye comes out knowing a quick KO is his only chance and takes it to WK from opening bell…I think that is still the blueprint for beating WK…I just don’t think Haye is the guy to do it.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
hahahaha. Yes I heard about it.
Haye is certainly pushing the right buttons… finally we might see a damn fight at the HW division.[/quote]
Like you said, he’s pushing Klitchko’s buttons and trying to get him to brawl…but I just think Wladamir is too smart to fall for that. He’s a pretty composed guy, and won’t let his emotions get the best of him.
i dont buy it. i think both haye and wlad (nd their promoters) know boxing is in trouble, especially heavyweight boxing, and this is the closest to a superfight the heavies are going to have since lewis/tyson.
they are both trying to hype the shit out of this fight, a fight that sadly i dont see being very competitive.
my prediction, haye will come out blazing early, if he catches wlad, he may knock him out and win, but i think after 1-3 rounds, wlad will clench and eventually start landing that jackhammer jab, haye will taste his power,( and then haye will not be so eager to chase wlad down and trade punches) and all the sudden it will turn into a typical w.k. fight, him controlling distance and carving his opponent up with lots of jabs, and eventually landing a big straight right in the late rounds for the tko.
gentleman’s wager to Irish:
if this is NOT how it goes down i will in bold type in a full paragraph write a dissertation on how Fightinirish is the great omnipotent soul daddy of boxing knowledge.