[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
No talk of the Haye fight? What madness is this?
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Ha was comin on to post the same thing…he was awesome…5 knockdowns an demonstrating no loss in handspeed. His chin may still be suspect but if he lands he wins. That guy can fucking hit.
Hatton havin his first fiht under the guidance of Floyd Snr next weekend…anyone excited for this one or believe they will really see much difference in hattons game?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You will see a tremendous difference in Ricky Hatton. The man has finally realized that it’s called “Boxing” not “Throw wild hooks while leading with your head.”
Here’s some vids I found.
If Hatton works behind the jab and throws good combos while maintaining a good, close, infighting disance, Malignaggi doesn’t have a chance. [/quote]
I hope so. But I wonder if Mayweather can work wonders in the time he has… changing a fighter’s basic technique takes more than a few months.
Wlad vs Haye will be a good fight once he dispatches of Povetkin.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Wlad vs Haye will be a good fight once he dispatches of Povetkin.[/quote]
I haven’t been able to see Haye fight, but I hear a lot of people saying good things about him. I heard Vitaly says he may fight Haye in 2009. Hope we get a good heavyweight fight eventually.
I don’t think Haye is all that, he hits hard and has hand speed but is pretty crude. I think either of them would punch a hole in his face but Haye has a great personality to make it into it a good fight, and you can just never be to sure when Wlad fights someone with pop.
I don’t think Haye’s last fight was entirely indicative of the boxing skills that he has; there was a lot of pushing and shoving… things got pretty messy. While I don’t think his technical skills are on a par with Wlad’s he has a awful lot of power and more heart than most of the sponges the brothers have faced of late.
Haye is exciting and (though I hate to use this expression) a win for him would be good for boxing.
He also has a bigger ego than Elton John. 
For those who haven’t kept with the news Haye-Vitali is on! The fight is set for June 2009 so I expect all the usuals to be giving their predictions. I’ll be betting on Vitali; the UK craze will probably make its way over here and stick Haye up at stupid odds. This is definately not the fight I would have chosen were I the Hayemaker but there’s no going back now. It will be entertaining fare at the very least.
If Vitali’s shoulder doesn’t dislocate, knee pop out of place, run out of gas, stub his toe, and no other health problems, then he’ll knock him out in the 8th or 9th. His brother is the quicker of the two, but Vitali is the stronger one, so Haye has got his work cut out for him.
I have read that Mayweather jr is coming back for a rematch with Hatton. I thought he was coming back to face Pacquiao. But if 2009 has Hatton vs Pacquiao, Mayweather vs Pacquiao, and even Mayweather vs Hatton II, those fights would definitely give us something to look foreward to the coming year.
[quote]jayski wrote:
If Vitali’s shoulder doesn’t dislocate, knee pop out of place, run out of gas, stub his toe, and no other health problems, then he’ll knock him out in the 8th or 9th. His brother is the quicker of the two, but Vitali is the stronger one, so Haye has got his work cut out for him.[/quote]
Agreed.
Against Wlad, I could see Haye having a chance of getting an upset KO, although pretty unlikely, all the more considering Wlad’s pretty cautious fighting style lately. Vitali, on the other hand, I don’t see much of a chance of him losing.
lots of intangibles in the haye/VK fight for me to even consider picking a winner.
haye is too much of an unkown quantity in the heavyweights. no fights against a live opponent.
VK, has to get through TWO training camps healthy to meet haye in the summer. that by itself seems like a long shot.
VK is also going to be 38 years old. we all know that aging fighters can look fine one fight, and then all the sudden “get old” in there next fight, and appear shot. just look at the ODLH/Pacman fight.
this will eventually happen to VK, sooner rather than later, and who knows if it will be this fight or the next?
i love all the talk of the “cautious fighting style” of Wlad K. LOL!
so, DOMINATING an opponent with a hard left jab and keeping the fight at the distance he wants it with superior footwork, and tying up your opponent when he manages to get inside is “cautious”??
damn, then LL and Mohamed Ali were two of the most cautious fighters in history. i just recently watched the 3 Ali/fraizure fight. Ali clenched at least a half dozen times each round.
ESPN said Hatton and Pac are close to signing for a fight in May. That’s a can’t miss fight!
i hear what you are saying too irish, but you are not going to get anywhere with me with this argument.
ali was a HUGE heavyweight for his time. 6 2-3 and 215lbs.
the supposedly"monsterous" george foreman was 6-4 218lbs.
faizure was 5-10 210-212lbs. on a good day.
rachman was over 250lbs, and solid. not a fat bag. though “only” 6-3, he had a reach that is actually longer than the 6-6 wlad.
what i am saying is the heavyweights these days are some BIG boys.
what would have been freakishly big in the 60’s and 70’s, is the norm today.
these big guys only need to “touch” there opponents one time in the right spot, and fight over. and with the fickle fight fan, f you get knocked out ONE FUCKING TIME, they call you a bum and your drawing power drops considerably.
if you want to be a long time champion and have an excellent record in the “super” heavyweight division today, you have to fight cautious.
i have talked about this here and on other boxing boards, though i respect your opinion and the fact that you know what you like, and what you are willing to pay to see, i just feel i know i am right about this.
though i respect the speed and non stop action provided by the smaller weight classes, those fights jst do not hold as much interest to me as the bigger guys.
i am sorry, but i just do not find it that entertaining watching a couple of runts wail on each other for 12 rounds. fuck, these guys can land 20-30 clean power shots on the each others skulls every round and not go down, because the power is not there. no disrespect, it is just physics.
i liken it to watching a cockfight. two little fast things fucking each other up. okay, big deal.
i really do not get too interested in fights until i they get to the middleweights.
i guess it is all about the mystique of combat sports, i find it interesting because these guys seem like such bad-asses to me.
but i am sorry, there is nothing too “bad-ass” to me about a 5-4 135lb guy. though i may be very very wrong, in a real life situation, not a controlled sporting environment, these little guys dont seem to threatening to me.
for example, i got in a scuffle a LONG time ago with a guy who i did not know at the time was a armed forces welterweight boxing champion. now, welterweight was his fighting weight, i doubt he was that small when we got into it.
long story short, i weight about 260lbs at the time, and he sucker punched me while i was not even looking at him. he caught me square in the mush, breaking my nose. now not only did he NOT knock me out, he did not even knock me down. everything went “white” for a second or two, then my head cleared and i took off after him.after eating a couple of more jabs to the top of my head, i got him cornered, slammed him on the ground and pinned him there until the crowd broke us up.
here is a trained, champion competitive boxer, and here i was a fat, no fight experienced shot-putter, and he could not take me out despite a clean shot right to my face i was not even looking at.
not only did i take the punch, i got him on the ground with me on top of him, where he was helpless.
if he had been a 175-200lb middleweight or light heavy, i would have been put to sleep.
a 6-6 250lb heavyweight, i might still be taking my meals through a tube and wearing a diaper right now.
see my point?
haha, just listen to yourself irish!
waah!, the only reason the eastern europeans are dominating is because they are too big, waah!
wtf? so it is not fair that an offensive lineman is 350lbs, and the defensive guy is 275. no fair. he shouldnt be that much bigger, so it means he is a bum, who only wins the matchup cause of his size?
hey, what about the 7 foot tall centers in basketball, heck , i know a lot of 6 foot 6 players who are faster, more skilled, who would love to play center, hey! thats not fair!
sorry again irish, i respect your opinion but i just dont see that way.
slow???
watch some of Joe Lewis fights on you tube. they basically walked around each other circling, with the right hand cocked back and the left out for defense, and every now and then they would trade hay-makers. heavyweights have always been “slow”, muhamad ali and joe fraizure re exceptions, they were very fast for heavyweights, the exception not the rule.
hey, you just dont like to watch the big guys bang, cool, it is not your idea of a fun fight to watch, no problem. if you want to watch 200lb guys who are fast in shape and skilled, the cruizerweight division is deep and very under promoted.
to you.
i like seeing the big guys bang. we can just agree to disagree.