Someone a while back (I tried and couldn’t find it…huge thread haha) mentioned b-complexes for energy and digetstion. Could I get some more info on this?
my post on b-complexes was purely anecdotal so i can only offer info on how it made me feel which is highly energized. someone else chimed in and said to take a multivitamin. that’s all i got. this is the best thread on T-Nation.
[quote]rsg wrote:
cpcloud wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t get DOMs in either my biceps or shoulders. hey just pump up a lot when training them. From what I gather, many experience that in body parts that grow the fastest for them. I am not sure if that is the case with you.
people get doms in the body parts that grow faster or in the ones that don’t grow faster?
The parts that grow faster experience less DOMS. Less DOMS, less time spent recovering means they were repaired faster, provided they were stimulated enough for growth.[/quote]
thats kind of interesting, on one hand my forearms grew pretty good but i dont think ive ever gotten DOMS in them but my ass and back grew pretty good too and i usually feel more DOMS there.
i figure as long as you can keep getting more weight up then who cares cause you know youre growing.
What are some recommendations on working the forearms? Do they grow fine without direct work? What are some of your thoughts?
i guess before giving any advice i should say im not huge (6ft 196lbs) but my forearms got pretty good size. i think any movement where you have a heavy weight on the bar that requires you to hold it like deadlift, RDL, rack pulls or shrugs will help because for the reason that you arent going to be physically capable of moving up in weight if your arms cant handle the load.
other thing that worked pretty well for me is when i used to workout at home with very bad equipment and when id go to do a front squat (since i had to get the weight off the bench) id just like jerk the weight up using a lot of momentum and forearm strength. so maybe try doing heavy reverse curls but instead of doing it the way you normally would try to get the bar higher up like you were trying to get it on your shoulder.
…funny thing i was looking at my forearm while i wrote that and flexed it then my muscle tensed up and i couldnt move my fingers lol
[quote]Lowery38595 wrote:
What are some recommendations on working the forearms? Do they grow fine without direct work? What are some of your thoughts?[/quote]
Completely individual. I used to get comments on mine in high school before I ever started lifting. Last time I measured them a couple of years back, they were 17". I have never had to train them directly for that either. They always got enough work from gripping heavy weights, especially when curling dumbbells and lifting weights for shrugs. I don’t even use wrist wraps anymore. I feel you should limit your use of wraps unless the weight is truly too heavy to lift without them.
That and calves seem to be mostly genetic. If you naturally have the size and they respond well, why worry about training them directly? I honestly think mine would look freakish if I put any real thought into training them.
I may end up doing that eventually just to see if they respond.
I’d like to see a typical eating day for some of the big guys.
Food, serving size, calories, etc
at the very least, how many calories you’re taking in. Stats too, weight, height, BF (if you know it), goals too.
I’m 5’8 180 lbs 14% BF
4500-4700 cals/day
trying to gain weight
[quote]cpcloud wrote:
Another new topic:
Straps.
Who uses them? Pros, cons in a STRICTLY BODYBUILDING context.
My opinion is to use them since you can move more weight on things like deads, RDLs, rows, and the like. However, for some reason i don’t use them on chins.
Any thoughts?[/quote]
I use straps on my actual work sets of DL’s, lat pulls and DB rows. I go barehanded on my warm up sets. I can lift so much more with straps, why let my grip be the limiting factor? So I can get bigger forearms? There are other exercises to target grip and forearms, I’m gonna go for the biggest bang for my buck on key movements like the DL.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’d like to see a typical eating day for some of the big guys.
Food, serving size, calories, etc
at the very least, how many calories you’re taking in. Stats too, weight, height, BF (if you know it), goals too.
I’m 5’8 180 lbs 14% BF
4500-4700 cals/day
trying to gain weight
[/quote]
I would respond to that, but I’m currently cutting for my first show in July, and at my biggest I was 206 so I don’t think I fit into the big guy category like RJ and Prof X.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Lowery38595 wrote:
What are some recommendations on working the forearms? Do they grow fine without direct work? What are some of your thoughts?
Completely individual. I used to get comments on mine in high school before I ever started lifting. Last time I measured them a couple of years back, they were 17". I have never had to train them directly for that either. They always got enough work from gripping heavy weights, especially when curling dumbbells and lifting weights for shrugs. I don’t even use wrist wraps anymore. I feel you should limit your use of wraps unless the weight is truly too heavy to lift without them.
That and calves seem to be mostly genetic. If you naturally have the size and they respond well, why worry about training them directly? I honestly think mine would look freakish if I put any real thought into training them.
I may end up doing that eventually just to see if they respond.[/quote]
I definitely, definitely agree with this. My dad has freakish calves, and I’m pretty sure I inherited a good chunk of them as well. I never worked them until recently, and they’re gotten bigger and much more defined.
I do also agree with the forearms, too. I’ll ask some people about their forearms (who don’t lift,) just out of curiosity, and they say they’ve never done anything for them.
That being said, I still think that if people don’t have the natural girth in them it doesn’t mean they can’t get them bigger.
In response to Lowrey’s question, I’m no mass monster but my forearms have improved a fair share in the last year or so, through little direct work, but more focus on exercises targeting the brachialis through reverse curls. I’m not sure how much they work that actual part of the forearm, but I will do grip things like trying to handle as much on shrugs and deads as I can before using straps. As for direct work, I’ll incorporate the exercise (not sure what they’re called) where you have a weight attatched to a rope attatched to a handle, and just slowly rolling the weight up, and slowly rolling it back down.
[quote]football061 wrote:
cpcloud wrote:
Another new topic:
Straps.
Who uses them? Pros, cons in a STRICTLY BODYBUILDING context.
My opinion is to use them since you can move more weight on things like deads, RDLs, rows, and the like. However, for some reason i don’t use them on chins.
Any thoughts?
I use straps on my actual work sets of DL’s, lat pulls and DB rows. I go barehanded on my warm up sets. I can lift so much more with straps, why let my grip be the limiting factor? So I can get bigger forearms? There are other exercises to target grip and forearms, I’m gonna go for the biggest bang for my buck on key movements like the DL.[/quote]
I’ve never used straps.
At one stage my grip was wearing out on me and I bought some. My grip has improved significantly without any attention to it and I can’t pinpoint why - could be a number of things.
I still haven’t tried those straps though.
haha i know what youre talking about with the rope and the little plate. i remember using that some of my first times working out at my friend’s basement and then one day i woke up with my left forearm inflammed. it looked so jacked though so i like rolled up my sleeve on just one arm to show it off lol. it felt weird as shit though like there was jelly or water in my arm, but im guessing thats what inflammation is.
I don’t really eat that much. Not like some of you guys do. Right now I am trying to lose some of this whales blubber that snuck up on me during tax season.
I just started back to really training last week and kinda doing my own version of carb cycling.
Training days -
Meal 1 -
4-5 whole eggs
2 pieces Orowheat toast or bowl of oats
1-2 oz. Havarti, or smoked Gouda Cheese
Meal 2 -
8oz 93/7 HB meat mixed with a can of black beans and some Rotel tomatoes
Meal 3 -
16 oz NY Strip steak and potato (1 baked, or boiled, and made into a mustard heavy potato salad)
Meal 4 -
8oz HB meat and black beans
Meal 5 -
PWO shake - 3 scoops Surge
Meal 6 -
Chicken breast and some grilled, or steamed veggies.
I hate posting diets. Non training days would be pretty much the same thing without the carbs.
I have been a member here for 5 years now and this, with out a doubt, is the best thread to come along in a while. I haven’t posted much lately but this thread is making me reconsider my lac of involvement. This site needed this thread. BEST. SHIT.EVER.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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That and calves seem to be mostly genetic. If you naturally have the size and they respond well, why worry about training them directly? I honestly think mine would look freakish if I put any real thought into training them.
I may end up doing that eventually just to see if they respond.[/quote]
You suck.
[quote]jakewnet44 wrote:
I have been a member here for 5 years now and this, with out a doubt, is the best thread to come along in a while. I haven’t posted much lately but this thread is making me reconsider my lac of involvement. This site needed this thread. BEST. SHIT.EVER.[/quote]
I agree wholeheartedly.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…
That and calves seem to be mostly genetic. If you naturally have the size and they respond well, why worry about training them directly? I honestly think mine would look freakish if I put any real thought into training them.
I may end up doing that eventually just to see if they respond.
You suck.[/quote]
LOL!
I feel the same about guys who have 19"-20" calves but who never did a calf raise in their life.
Yea I have a hard time making mine grow. I rarely use straps except on heavy deads. They just seem to look proportionately smaller than my upper arm. So far I have heard reverse curls. Any other exercises.
Bodybuilding discussion on the bodybuilding board? rubs eyes
I think I found a reason to actually post here again. Just have to pretend like the entire site is like this(serious bodybuilders who want to talk about bodybuilding) and hope this keeps going for awhile.
[quote]kelleyb wrote:
Maybe things are starting to get sorted out.
Question:
If you could wake up tomorrow and be your ideal height/weight/bodyfat percentage for just one day only what would it be? Feel free to expand if you wish.
[/quote]
Arnold, Arnold, and Arnold. I’m about his height, and I’ve been to 238-240 one time already (just soft). I’d be 230 at 6% bf, and tan. Hell, I’d give up 4% bf just to be tan and not dead fish white. Any bigger than a lean 230 and my rock climbing will suffer too much, I think, due to finger strength limitations. But I’d be willing to play it by ear once I got there.
However, I want to total Elite at 198 at some point too, so whatever.